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Manzur Fahim

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Hello everyone,

Hope you are well.

Sharing another photo from my shoot with Yara at Jakarta, this was 20 days or so after I got myself the GFX and the 110mm F2. Didn't want to miss the chance to try it of course, was happy to leave my Nikon D810 behind.



High-res: https://www.mf-photography.com/People/i-fvGVZNd

Check the high-res if you want to pixel peep. As always, I'd appreciate your feedback :)

Have a great day.

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sabrina81 said:
Marek M said:
In the darker one , Yara melts into the background.
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I won't argue subjective preferences. What you prefer is what you prefer. But as to objective measures of what separates subject from background, that is a different story.

Of these four, which is more "melted into the background," and which is more clearly separated from the background?

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#2 is the original as posted by the OP, and #4 is my edit. Can you honestly say that #4 is "melted into the background"?
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The model has a beautiful face and dark hairs- the melting is not happening in hands but head area.



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PankajDubey said:
The model has a beautiful face and dark hairs- the melting is not happening in hands but head area.
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A simple adjustment to lighten the background behind the hair:



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Again, if your subjective preference is for the lighter version, I have no quarrel whatever with that. But by objective measures of luminosity differences, don't tell me that the darker version overall is "melted into the background." That simply isn't the case.
 
sabrina81 said:
PankajDubey said:
The model has a beautiful face and dark hairs- the melting is not happening in hands but head area.
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A simple adjustment to lighten the background behind the hair:

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Again, if your subjective preference is for the lighter version, I have no quarrel whatever with that. But by objective measures of luminosity differences, don't tell me that the darker version overall is "melted into the background." That simply isn't the case.
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What matters more, objective measurement or subjective perception?

Check this out:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62790982

Objectively they are the same. Subjectively, it seems impossible.
 
sabrina81 said:
PankajDubey said:
The model has a beautiful face and dark hairs- the melting is not happening in hands but head area.
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A simple adjustment to lighten the background behind the hair:

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Again, if your subjective preference is for the lighter version, I have no quarrel whatever with that. But by objective measures of luminosity differences, don't tell me that the darker version overall is "melted into the background." That simply isn't the case.
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i like the second edit better but the luminosity difference is generated from the skin tone and hairs getting darker and the background getting lighter.
 
Marek M said:
What matters more, objective measurement or subjective perception?
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I never suggested that one matters more than the other. I merely drew the distinction. If in your subjective perception you prefer the lighter version, that's fine. I am not criticizing anyone's personal preferences. What I am challenging is the idea that your subjective perceptions are equivalent to objective measurements of luminosity, saturation, etc. They are not.

If you say that circle A is more clearly separated from the background than circle B, you are simply and objectively mistaken. If you prefer A to B, fine. But as a matter of measurable, objective fact, circle B is more clearly separated from the background.

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PankajDubey said:
the luminosity difference is generated from the skin tone ... getting darker and the background getting lighter.
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I didn't alter the skin tones. And I made the background darker, not lighter.
 
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Gerry Siegel said:
Impressive. Seems it checks all the boxes for me. As a single shot. It would only help to see a sample of poses with such a gorgeous model. I cannot think of a single thing to modify. Except do a whole portfolio. One shot, like one robin does not make a (rapturous fulfilling) photo session/ Spring either. Nice work. Nice indeed in its simplicity of statement. No frills, straight look into camera which I tend to practice. PS. Checked your web page...you do brilliant work and have chosen some superb models. I am green with envy for latter..but you do them justice with your skill and craft.. aloha, gerry
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Thank you very much Gerry. I'll edit more photos of her, you are right, one photo does not really cover the shoot, she'll need a portfolio from the shoot :) Your feedback is much appreciated Gerry :)

Have a great day.

Manzur
 
Marek M said:
Manzur Fahim said:
sabrina81 said:
Nice work with a lovely model. I would probably darken the bright surroundings to bring her forward a little more.

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Thank you for your feedback :) I like the brighter one personally. Darkening the background / surroundings taking my eyes to the dark areas more and also there are some hard edge effects that I'd like to avoid in my edit.
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I agree with you.

In the darker one , Yara melts into the background.

Sabrina often has very good suggestions but I think she can't stop herself from having suggestions , even if there is nothing to suggest.
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The brighter one is the one I prefer. In the darker one, it feels like Yara is in focus, and then the background appears right next to her in the same focal plane, just not in focus. Sterile and clinical rendering like some lens manufacturers do these days. There is a depth to the original photo, the background is not only brighter, but somehow it separates itself from the subject. I don't care technically which one is sound and which one isn't, the bright one looks good and feels good. It has a character that the dark one doesn't.

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Suntan said:
SaltyPeanut said:
Suntan said:
She looks great, and the photo itself is good. I have an issue with the posing though.

Hooking her thumb to pull down her neckline, thus showing more boob, cheapens the shot. What woman would do that in real life?

She's sexy enough as it is in that dress. This pose just makes her look less classy.
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2secs in IG and you'll see how conservative this photo/pose is.
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It isn't about conservative. It is about class,
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Says who? That's just your opinion based on your own standards (nothing wrong with that btw, just doesn't apply to everyone else). Next to some people I see walking around these days she oozes class in this photo, with a dash of seduction. And that's just my opinion as well. Frankly, the only person that can tell you "what it's about", or at least what they were aiming for, is her and the photog, which he has:

"I looked at the other photos from the shoot after reading your comment, and for your information, she isn't trying to pull down the neckline, it is that long by design. She tried to pose in a seductive way by keeping her thumb at the end, and I think she succeeded. And I don't think women will do that in real life casually to make it a real-life thing. Many will do such with / in front of their partner, and that is their private life, so no, you wouldn't see women doing that in real life, not in front of just anyone."
Suntan said:
or perhaps more accurately, about not looking like a bad pose instructed by a photographer.
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Didn't look like that to me. Actually made me want to see the rest of the shoot, to see what other poses they attempted.
Suntan said:
A pose can show "stylized" risque, that's fine. My critique is not to suggest that shouldn't be attempted. My comment is that it was not successfully accomplished here.

Seriously though, have a look at this image, then try to un-see it when looking back at the OPs photograph...
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Good shot. Two different looks. I don't see what the big deal is, if both clients are happy. Again, she wasn't trying to be classy, so if she would've looked classy, the photo might've been considered to be a fail to her.
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itsDing said:
How good is the new camera Manzur?
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Not really new haha, bought it in April, 2018. But yeah, amazing camera. I wish I bought it sooner.
 
Love this. Well done.

I prefer the original as opposed to Sabrinas edit.

One tiny thing- her right eye is peeking out from under her hair. I'd either show the pupil or have it covered completely, as I say, only a tiny niggle.

The pose is fantastic, unique and just the right amount of sensuality.

Lighting is flawless.
 
A great Image...No need for changes IMO

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