OM-D E-M1X for general photography???

Tasslehoff said:

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Actually you missed his main question and you're one of the ones who it doesn't even apply to, unless "I read it on the internet" to you means "I actually have experience with the camera in real life on a regular basis."

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Sorry, but this is just non-sense. I used several cameras over the years and at the moment I own Nikon DX / FX cameras and two mFT cameras. I do a lot of mountain hiking and if someone asks me if a Nikon D5 or an E-M5 II would be better for mountain hiking, following your argument I have to answer: I never used a D5, so I cannot give you an answer because without using a camera, I cannot know if it is useful for this purpose. Sorry, this is just dumb, because an E-M5 would simply be better for that and I don't need to use a D5 type of camera for a year to find that out.

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Simple fact it you have never used the EM1X or own it, so your opinion here is mute just like the other know it alls in this thread giving their opinion on a camera they have never used or own. W@F is wrong with you people? Once again is the text below not a clue to you?

Is anyone here using the E-M1X for general photography and thrilled with it?




(Yes I do take and have photos and they're grainy) http://bluei.ca

James Stirling said:

James Pilcher said:

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People that own the EM1X - YES

People that don't own the EM1X it but read about it on the internet - NO

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That's exactly the way I'm feeling about the responses to this thread. There are far to many non-owners telling me I'm foolish for even considering the E-M1X, and a large majority of actual owners loving it for whatever photography they do.

Thanks.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life in the Rocky Mountains

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Jim, as with any equipment you are the one paying the piper so it is you that calls the tune. Luckily for me I do not shoot anything that requires the fastest FPS or best AF , which is good news as the speed demon cameras are always top of the price heap in every format. Anyway enough of this e-m1x talk I have to convince my wife I want need the 100mp Fuji , this tough crowd has nothing on my wife

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no issues here from the mrs.... just the credit card says no...

‘when I win the lottery I reckon the ultimate pairing will be Fuji MF for the absolute number of pixels and the MFT gear for general everything.

Till then i’m going to fully enjoy my EM1X for general photography

Tasslehoff said:

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Great that you have purchased E-M1X but feel a bit sad that you are not thrilled with it for general photography. I hooe you can sell it without too much loss!

Wait, don’t tell me that you have just answered the question where you were basically lying just to say something bad about camera that isn’t approved by your highly rated expertise but that you don’t own?!

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Why do you actually have to buy a E-M1 X to answer this question? I guess most people would agree that a D5 / 1DX type camera is not an ideal choice for general photography: too big, too heavy, too expensive and for general photography the results of cheaper cameras might be the same or even better. Do you really need to have these cameras to figure that out? The same is true for the E-M1 X: too big, too heavy, too expensive and no real advantage over other models from Olympus for general type of photography. Obviously one can do general photography with an E-M1 X, it is just a big waste of money.

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Simply because I am answering the question asked:

”Is anyone here using the E-M1X for general photography and thrilled with it?”.

Is it so hard to grasp?! He didn’t ask about opinion based on reading the specs or reviews. He was clear about USING the camera. Do you get it? USING!!

Raist3d said:

Haris said:

Raist3d said:

Haris said:

Great that you have purchased E-M1X but feel a bit sad that you are not thrilled with it for general photography. I hooe you can sell it without too much loss!

Wait, don’t tell me that you have just answered the question where you were basically lying just to say something bad about camera that isn’t approved by your highly rated expertise but that you don’t own?!

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Why try to make this into an attack. The question is- is the EM1X camera good as a tool for general photography. The answer is no.

Just like for the same reason a Nikon D5 is not good for general photography. Or a Fuji XH-1.

These cameras were designed with another market in mind and are more expensive and bigger than required.

Can you do general photography with any of them? You can... is it the best match for that? No, I don't think so.

That's all. I don't know why you attribute this to lying or something. It's just an opinion as a photographer that has seen several cameras.

You really have to ask yourself why you took this so personal.

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Personal? Attack? Time for reality check!

You really seem to miss the fact that your behaviour when it comes to your constant ”touting” of your opinion about E-M1X and cameras in general is bordering to being worrying.

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My point is simple - you reacted with a personal attack attempt. You can point things out without need for that. There's nothing worrying about. I have written "positive" posts but not many seem to read that because they pick what they want.

Reality check indeed.

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You just have to spred your word even if you are not even asked about it. This is what the OP asked:

”Is anyone here using the E-M1X for general photography and thrilled with it?”.

If you don’t own E-M1X why answer? Can’t you read? That is why I wrote my answer. I was almost sure that you don’t own or use E-M1X but left that option open with my first sentence. Now I am certain that I was right.

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I can read. I have tried an EM1X, no, I don't own one, that's right. Maybe I made a simple mistake. There's no need to jump on anyone.

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Nobody asked what you think or want the rest of us to think. Question asked was about real usage, not about an opinion!

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I have used it.

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You just had to continue and talk about theories and what you have seen just to somehow justify your, in context, useless answer.

”It’s just an opinion as a photographer that has seen several cameras.” Nobody asked about something that you have seen! This is plain laughable. You have seen several cameras and therefore you know how particular one is performing as an everyday-camera?! You really have special capabilities.

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By seen I mean used.

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Nobody asked about what camera was marketed about. Is it so hard to understand?You are not using this camera period.

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That was only a mention that even Olympus doesn't consider it general purpose. Someone is wondering how well this goes with a general purpose use. I pointed out that it doesn't seem to be.

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Threads about opinion of E-M1X at the time of launch based on pure subjective opinion and guessing are now gone so you need to try to turn this one into theoretical talk? Why?

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I am not talking form theory. Of course different people may feel different. I didn't jump on them or try to insult them.

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Ask yourself what pushed you to answer on a thread where you had zero real value to add instead of asking questions.

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I don't need to justify myself to you or me. I know why I replied. Was trying to help.

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Nikon D5 not good for general photography?! I will just leave that one unanswered.

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Correct. You can do it, but not good for that. Same with an Alexa high end film camera. And so on. Is the Fuji GX100 good for general photography as a tool? Neither.

Done replying to you.

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”I have tried an EM1X, no, I don't own one, that's right.”

”I have used it.”

”By seen I mean used”

You don’t own the camera. You haven’t been using it, you tried it which is very different from using it on everyday basis to be able to give valuable information asked in the thread.

Ozonation said:

James Pilcher said:

Virtually everything, overwhelmingly, being showcased here from the E-M1X is bird photography. Is anyone here using the E-M1X for general photography and thrilled with it?

I’m looking to combine a new OM-D E-M1x with with my four Pro lenses, leaving my Pen F for primes 12mm f/2, 25mm f/1.4, 45mm f/1.8, and 75mm f/1.8. I rarely shoot birds. I most often shoot lots of other stuff; no birds, no planes, no trains, no automobiles.

Please don’t comment about size or weight. I get that. Has anyone found the E-M1X terrific for general photography?

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life in the Rocky Mountains

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I actually have the EM1X - and my style of photography ranges from everything from portrait to fashion to events to sports - and NOT birds, planes, trains, or cars - they're so boring, really ;-) - so I'll offer my perspective. Caveat: I haven't owned the EM1X for long, so I cannot cover all the situations.

I'm also shoot Nikon FX (full frame) and Fuji X (APS-C) regularly, so I am constantly comparing which system is best for whatever needs are dictated by the situation I'm facing.

In short, yes. The camera is great for general photography. Why? Because the camera is robust. For me this means:

• Two card, fast card slots. I have much less risk of image loss. And yes, I have had multiple SD card failures - not often but it does happen.
• Great ergonomics. Sure, you don't need an integrated grip but it makes vertical shooting a breeze. The button placement and feel in hand is fantastic. My old Nikon D3s was my favourite but it was heavy. My hand would go numb after several hours of shooting national level college sports.
• Smaller file sizes. Sometimes yes you need that 46 MP image but most of the time... you don't. Faster to offload, faster to load to edit, and more than enough for 95% of all shooting situations.
• Tough body and water resistant. Life happens, need I say more?
• Great battery life. Shot 400+ images the other day, and battery 1 was only down 40%. Battery 2 was still fully charged and waiting to go.

Could I get away with a smaller m4/3 body, or for that matter, any other "typical" camera? Of course. But what the EM1X gives me is maximum performance relative to the overall size, weight, and convenience of any other camera system. Many detractors forget the camera should really be evaluated as a whole system. I can stuff the EM1X with a horde of lens into my bag and still be much lighter and smaller than my Nikon with only two lens AND I know I have the best performance relative-to-size possible at hand when I need it.

You could argue that you could get the EM1Mk2 and an add on grip and you'd much the same. Which is mostly true. But the integrated grip is convenient, very ergonomic, and if you like the grip so much that you leave it on all the time... then you might as well get the integrated grip and reap all the additional benefits it brings.

So, to try out the camera, I figured I'd test it using it to shoot fashion oriented portraiture, probably the complete opposite of what it was intended to do. However, the strengths designed into it as a robust camera are what makes it also good for other applications. And... at one point I was holding it in vertical mode with the 45mm f1.8 attached and shooting comfortably with one hand. It was light enough to do so and with excellent IBIS, I had no worries about camera shake.

If all this appeals to you, you'll have a blast.

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Thanks for some sanity and opinion based on real-usage. I share your opinion. Like every camera first thing to do is to try it to see how it feels in your hands. Performance, no matter how high it is, will not help you if you don’t feel comfortable while using the camera or any other tool.

Using the right tool for the job is the key. The EM1x will do just about any type of photography in general.


Depending on the situation, condition, event, and other factors, you can use other tools to get the same results as EM1x. Thus, having the right tool for the job will be my choice for getting shots.

Haris said:

Thanks for some sanity and opinion based on real-usage. I share your opinion. Like every camera first thing to do is to try it to see how it feels in your hands. Performance, no matter how high it is, will not help you if you don’t feel comfortable while using the camera or any other tool.

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I am a *huge* advocate of trying out things in hand before buying: specs and reviews can only get you so far. Based on my shooting style, if I was to go by specs, etc., the camera I should be getting is Sony. I reserve the right to change my mind (ha!) but for now, Sony is the last camera brand I'd pursue. Nothing against it, but I don't like how it feels in hand, the controls, and how it balances with the lens. (And they're ugly - just kidding! Sort of...)

The funny thing is that for many cameras and lens combinations - a couple of which own or used to own - the often cited cure for less than great ergonomics was to "add the grip"... which seems a bit self defeating because if you need the grip to complete the camera in terms of form factor and functionality, then you should have the grip there to begin with.

I'm a bit different than most because I started in sports/action/event photography: lots of high impact, hard to focus, hard to predict scenarios with unscripted deviations. I appreciated the robustness of my "big" cameras... but after a few hours, not the weight or size.

A very involved wedding, for example, isn't all that different from a sporting event: changing lighting conditions, changing situations, people moving around. When I shoot portraits, I often take multiple shots of the same pose even though the subject is static because I find there are subtle differences in smile, facial expression, etc. from second to second. A Nikon D5 (I owned and shot over 200,000 images on a D3s) would be absolutely fantastic in such *general* situations... but be prepared to haul around the weight: camera, lens, etc. plus backup bodies if applicable. So, the natural response is that a D5 is "too much" camera... but really, it isn't. If I get a more middle of the road camera, I'm likely losing the second card slot for backup, getting less battery life, the nice vertical grip (I find integrated grips always more comfortable than add on ones), less AF tracking capability, etc.

This is why - eventhough I didn't need it - the EM1X was so appealing when it was announced despite what all the other detractors were saying: too big for m4/3, too expensive, blah blah blah. In contrast, I find the EM1X to be solid and substantive but not overly heavy: m4/3 overall gives that nice complete feel in a smaller, more manageable package with everything you want and then some. I'll call it "downward robustness" - the features that make it good for extreme conditions (double memory slot, weatherproofing, fast focusing and fast processing) carry through to all other forms of photography that I do. I can have almost all of what a Nikon D5 and lens system would offer, just in a bonsai form! Sure, I lose a bit of dynamic range and some high ISO performance, but if I regularly need ISO 6400, I figure I need to re-examine my photographic technique and judgment.

I do use my E-M1X for general photography at events (sister in laws surprise 60th Birthday party, Probus golf tournaments) and if I'm heading out with a chance of seeing some wildlife (with my 100-400 pana-leica lens). Otherwise, if I'm just heading out for a walk with my wife, I take the Olympus pen F with the very small 14-150 Olympus lens. That way she gives me far less grief for bringing a big camera with me.

Nope its to big and heavy for general photography

greyghost59 said:

Nope its to big and heavy for general photography

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I just got home from a day of general photography. Went to a state park where they have nice flower gardens and a pioneer village. It was there Civil War reenactment weekend. I could have picked my Pen F, my E-M1.2 or my E-M1X. I picked the E-M1X because better IBIS, better EVF, better AF, especially CAF with Tracking. I took flower photos using the 60 f2.8 Macro and the 45 f1.2 lenses. I took portraits of the reenactors with the 45 f1.2. I took the Civil War battle with the 40-150 f3.8 with the 1.4x TC. The E-M1X like usual was a joy to use.

Dave

James Pilcher said:

RED i said:

People that own the EM1X - YES

People that don't own the EM1X it but read about it on the internet - NO

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That's exactly the way I'm feeling about the responses to this thread. There are far to many non-owners telling me I'm foolish for even considering the E-M1X, and a large majority of actual owners loving it for whatever photography they do.

Thanks.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life in the Rocky Mountains

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Jim, I have the E-M1X and love it for event and sports photography. To be truthful, it it wasn't for the progression of my Parkinson's, as I'm now using a rollator (walker with wheels), I would for personal use the 1X all the time unless I need a second camera. However where there's little to no action where I don't need that much reach I'm now using a Sony A6400 with the 12-70/4.0 OSS lens.

AussiePhil said:

James Stirling said:

James Pilcher said:

RED i said:

People that own the EM1X - YES

People that don't own the EM1X it but read about it on the internet - NO

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That's exactly the way I'm feeling about the responses to this thread. There are far to many non-owners telling me I'm foolish for even considering the E-M1X, and a large majority of actual owners loving it for whatever photography they do.

Thanks.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life in the Rocky Mountains

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Jim, as with any equipment you are the one paying the piper so it is you that calls the tune. Luckily for me I do not shoot anything that requires the fastest FPS or best AF , which is good news as the speed demon cameras are always top of the price heap in every format. Anyway enough of this e-m1x talk I have to convince my wife I want need the 100mp Fuji , this tough crowd has nothing on my wife

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no issues here from the mrs.... just the credit card says no...

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I have way to much gear as is and I must say a wee part of me is tempted to get rid of it all and jump on board the Fuji .Though I am not sure what I would be doing with it to justify it logically

AussiePhil said:

‘when I win the lottery I reckon the ultimate pairing will be Fuji MF for the absolute number of pixels and the MFT gear for general everything.

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A wee lottery win would be nice

AussiePhil said:

Till then i’m going to fully enjoy my EM1X for general photography

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Like all these type of cameras it has way more performance and speed that I do not need . I hardly need AF one frame a second is plenty for me

brianric said:

James Pilcher said:

RED i said:

People that own the EM1X - YES

People that don't own the EM1X it but read about it on the internet - NO

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That's exactly the way I'm feeling about the responses to this thread. There are far to many non-owners telling me I'm foolish for even considering the E-M1X, and a large majority of actual owners loving it for whatever photography they do.

Thanks.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA
Living above life in the Rocky Mountains

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Jim, I have the E-M1X and love it for event and sports photography. To be truthful, it it wasn't for the progression of my Parkinson's, as I'm now using a rollator (walker with wheels), I would for personal use the 1X all the time unless I need a second camera. However where there's little to no action where I don't need that much reach I'm now using a Sony A6400 with the 12-70/4.0 OSS lens.

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Brian, Sometimes certain gear just feels right in our hands . Though I am very happy with the results and lenses from my Sony FF kit , it really does not feel right in my hands and I am going to be going with the Z7 just as soon as the techart adapter allowing me to use some of my FE lens on the Nikon come out. Then I can see where I stand, what I will keep and what I will move on . When I tried the Nikon it felt like coming home

tough that I can still have a valid opinion go ahead and answer the Op

no need for personal attack attempts Says far more about you than me

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Raist3d/Ricardo (Photographer, software dev.)- I photograph black cats in coal mines at night...
“The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.” - George Orwell

Jim,

perhaps a better question to ask would be:

how much better is the E-M1X for general photography than the Mk II and the Pen F ?

ie how does the X make photography easier, better or more enjoyable than with the other models ?

We see lots of very nice X images posted here, some in this thread, but the posters never tell us what it is about the X that made those images better or more easily taken than they would have been with say the E-M1 II.

With respect to amateur/enthusiasts, the user experience counts for a lot even if the results are no better than with the previous model. So maybe the experience of using the latest and greatest Olympus model is reason enough to get the X - stop looking for tangible reasons.

Peter