More on the Adobe Saga

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

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If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

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davidedric said:

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

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If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

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I've no idea, but..........

Let's just suppose that by continuing to use one of those products there is the possibility that the user could inadvertantly infringe a third party software licence.

What would you have Adobe do?

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Zeee said:

davidedric said:

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

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If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

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I've no idea, but..........

Let's just suppose that by continuing to use one of those products there is the possibility that the user could inadvertantly infringe a third party software licence.

What would you have Adobe do?

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Does anyone think Oracle or another 3rd party is actually going to follow up on a handful of people still using CS5/LR5 or older versions? I would think they would have better things to do than pick on someone developing vacation snaps. As for pros get the latest versions and write it off.

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davidedric said:

Zeee said:

davidedric said:

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

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If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

Click to expand...

I've no idea, but..........

Let's just suppose that by continuing to use one of those products there is the possibility that the user could inadvertantly infringe a third party software licence.

What would you have Adobe do?

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Does anyone think Oracle or another 3rd party is actually going to follow up on a handful of people still using CS5/LR5 or older versions? I would think they would have better things to do than pick on someone developing vacation snaps. As for pros get the latest versions and write it off.

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No, I don't suppose so for a minute. But, if they did, and Adobe hadn't given some sort of "warning", I can imagine there'd be yet another outcry.

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Archer66 said:

richdm said:

Archer66 said:

richdm said:

And Oracle-related or not, the fact is Adobe *did* sent that vaguely threatening email.

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Who then if not Adobe ? Their product their customers.

I would be very worried if Oracle sent that email.

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Do you mean it's okay if Adobe threatens its legal, paying customers, but not if Oracle does?

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No, not what I mean.

Just that Adobe knows who is using their products that are possibly affected by Oracle change.

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Zeee said:

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

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If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

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My guess is if there is an issue with Java or something like that then they probably can't have on their site and provided a warning because they had to. As for us using it I don't really know. How many have been using pirated versions for years when the older versions were current and how many were penalized for it?

You ask a good question. I'll see if I can find out more.

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richdm said:

Zeee said:

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

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If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

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My guess is if there is an issue with Java or something like that then they probably can't have on their site and provided a warning because they had to. As for us using it I don't really know. How many have been using pirated versions for years when the older versions were current and how many were penalized for it?

You ask a good question. I'll see if I can find out more.

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Thanks. The reason I'm interested in this matter is that I think it has implications beyond just Adobe. That's why I feel it would be beneficial to know exactly what's beyond it.

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davidedric said:

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

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If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

Click to expand...

I've no idea, but..........

Let's just suppose that by continuing to use one of those products there is the possibility that the user could inadvertantly infringe a third party software licence.

What would you have Adobe do?

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richdm said:

davidedric said:

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

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If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

Click to expand...

I've no idea, but..........

Let's just suppose that by continuing to use one of those products there is the possibility that the user could inadvertantly infringe a third party software licence.

What would you have Adobe do?

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The point I was making is this:

If there is a licensing issue, then we would expect that Adobe would make the software unavailable based on that issue. Period.

However - it seems Adobe has made the software unavailable via the website, but has continued to make it available if you call them.

That's illogical. Either the software should be

a) available -- if there's no issue

b) unavailable -- if there is an issue

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richdm said:

davidedric said:

richdm said:

Zeee said:

You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130337.msg1107956#msg1107956

Click to expand...

If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?

Click to expand...

I've no idea, but..........

Let's just suppose that by continuing to use one of those products there is the possibility that the user could inadvertantly infringe a third party software licence.

What would you have Adobe do?

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The point I was making is this:

If there is a licensing issue, then we would expect that Adobe would make the software unavailable based on that issue. Period.

However - it seems Adobe has made the software unavailable via the website, but has continued to make it available if you call them.

That's illogical. Either the software should be

a) available -- if there's no issue

b) unavailable -- if there is an issue

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Zeee said:

Maybe this statement by Victoria Brampton on an Adobe forum will clarify things:

Just to confirm what Laura said, perpetual licenses are all still authorized exactly as before. This change only affects subscriptions.

For perpetual license owners, your existing installs are fine. If you need to reinstall, only the latest Lightroom perpetual (6.14) is still available on the public download pages, although customer services have access to earlier versions. If you purchased direct from Adobe, the download links may also show in your account under Order History.

For subscribers, if you're on LR Classic 7 or later, you don't need to do anything. If you're on CC 2015.14 or earlier and can't upgrade to LR Classic, then uninstall, and reinstall 2015.14 from the CC app (currently showing as 6.0, but really 2015.14/6.14) to remain perfectly above board. If you choose not to bother, all that scary legalize is Adobe removing themselves from legal responsibility as they've declared it unauthorized.
https://feedback.photoshop.com …f-cc-apps-no-longer-legal (external link)

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EE-TV said:

And yes, you DO own the Software... FOREVER...

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EE-TV said:

Zeee said:

Maybe this statement by Victoria Brampton on an Adobe forum will clarify things:

Just to confirm what Laura said, perpetual licenses are all still authorized exactly as before. This change only affects subscriptions.

For perpetual license owners, your existing installs are fine. If you need to reinstall, only the latest Lightroom perpetual (6.14) is still available on the public download pages, although customer services have access to earlier versions. If you purchased direct from Adobe, the download links may also show in your account under Order History.

For subscribers, if you're on LR Classic 7 or later, you don't need to do anything. If you're on CC 2015.14 or earlier and can't upgrade to LR Classic, then uninstall, and reinstall 2015.14 from the CC app (currently showing as 6.0, but really 2015.14/6.14) to remain perfectly above board. If you choose not to bother, all that scary legalize is Adobe removing themselves from legal responsibility as they've declared it unauthorized.
https://feedback.photoshop.com …f-cc-apps-no-longer-legal (external link)

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Haha, and THIS is why Perpetual [Ownership] License > Subscription Rental.

And yes, you DO own the Software... FOREVER...

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EE-TV said:

Zeee said:

Maybe this statement by Victoria Brampton on an Adobe forum will clarify things:

Just to confirm what Laura said, perpetual licenses are all still authorized exactly as before. This change only affects subscriptions.

For perpetual license owners, your existing installs are fine. If you need to reinstall, only the latest Lightroom perpetual (6.14) is still available on the public download pages, although customer services have access to earlier versions. If you purchased direct from Adobe, the download links may also show in your account under Order History.

For subscribers, if you're on LR Classic 7 or later, you don't need to do anything. If you're on CC 2015.14 or earlier and can't upgrade to LR Classic, then uninstall, and reinstall 2015.14 from the CC app (currently showing as 6.0, but really 2015.14/6.14) to remain perfectly above board. If you choose not to bother, all that scary legalize is Adobe removing themselves from legal responsibility as they've declared it unauthorized.
https://feedback.photoshop.com …f-cc-apps-no-longer-legal (external link)

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Haha, and THIS is why Perpetual [Ownership] License > Subscription Rental.

And yes, you DO own the Software... FOREVER...

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EE-TV said:

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