More on the Adobe Saga

Did Adobe get new management or something? What's going on over there - first the 18-hour "test", then this odd threat that you'll be infringing on some unnamed third party(ies)' if you keep using the software you've been using?

It strikes me that it's relatively rare these days to see companies act this way.
If you read some of the responses it may be due to Java that made policy changes in 2019 thus the 3rd party reference. I also read that if you call customer support you can still get older versions.

https://www.lakesidesoftware.com/bl...ng-how-2019-java-licensing-changes-impact-you

https://dazwallace.wordpress.com/2019/05/08/the-great-adobe-purge-of-19/
Ha, hadn't heard about this. That first article seems to be talking about organizations that use Java. But, it's not very clear what the situation is.

At any rate, it seems to me that it's not Adobe's job to tell its customers to remove software because Oracle may decide at some point that they're infringing because they decided to charge for something that was previously free. If that's what Oracle is actually doing, which isn't really clear from that information.

And somehow, I find it difficult to believe that if someone has an older version of Adobe s/w, which necessarily would use an older version of Java (if it uses Java at all), that Oracle would suddenly go after individual non-commercial users because it suddenly decided that those previously-free versions suddenly aren't.

In my view, the whole thing comes across as a big muddled mess, with poor management of customer communication on Adobe's - and now, it seems, Oracle's - part!
The test several days ago and was and then resolved. The Orcale thing may or may not be valid. It has only been a day and most knee jerk reactions have an answer.
 
Logically, next step should be removing activation servers for infringing versions.
 
It's a scam!
It's not a scam. You can read the same message at the Adobe website.
Did I say it wasn't real?

Adobe's software model since CC sucks you in and churns you around the wringer to find new ways of lock-in, lock-out and extortion for something you used to be able to buy once and just enjoy using.

I used to handle corporate licensing for Adobe products for my last company before I retired and went through the whole gamut right back from early days through to "Creative Cloud".

I just love the veiled, not quite real but nevertheless designed to intimidate, 'threats' that you may be out of licence with one or more product......... Classic!
 
The comments on their own official forums are horrendous. People literally in their droves up in arms, helpless, desperate, freaking out about how they have been, and are being, screwed over. Seriously, some of these comments need to be looked at...

You may never see the "company" in the same light again:


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The comments on their own official forums are horrendous. People literally in their droves up in arms, helpless, desperate, freaking out about how they have been, and are being, screwed over. Seriously, some of these comments need to be looked at...

You may never see the "company" in the same light again:

https://forums.adobe.com/community/creative_cloud/content
Yes, it's not nice being dependent on a corporate "bully", though I've certainly seen worse examples.

I'm not an apologist for Adobe, but inevitably you see the unhappy customers on such forums, not the satisfied ones.

However, in my experience, once a company makes clear its preferred operating model, you will always be better served by adopting it. If you can't or won't, then I would say look for an alternative - life in the backwaters will become increasingly uncomfortable.

Dave
 
The comments on their own official forums are horrendous. People literally in their droves up in arms, helpless, desperate, freaking out about how they have been, and are being, screwed over. Seriously, some of these comments need to be looked at...
I'm not an apologist for Adobe, but inevitably you see the unhappy customers on such forums, not the satisfied ones.

However, in my experience, once a company makes clear its preferred operating model, you will always be better served by adopting it. If you can't or won't, then I would say look for an alternative - life in the backwaters will become increasingly uncomfortable.
I've never understood why people go crazy trying to change Adobe or expecting Adobe to change its business practices (regardless of what one might think of them).

It's much easier to just switch software.

I'm a happy Creative Cloud subscriber. The value is the absolute best in the industry, However, if that great value goes away tomorrow, I will just switch to something else and life goes on.

No need for all the drama and hatred. Why spend energy hating a faceless corporation???? That does not make much sense...
 
Did Adobe get new management or something? What's going on over there - first the 18-hour "test", then this odd threat that you'll be infringing on some unnamed third party(ies)' if you keep using the software you've been using?

It strikes me that it's relatively rare these days to see companies act this way.
If you read some of the responses it may be due to Java that made policy changes in 2019 thus the 3rd party reference. I also read that if you call customer support you can still get older versions.

https://www.lakesidesoftware.com/bl...ng-how-2019-java-licensing-changes-impact-you

https://dazwallace.wordpress.com/2019/05/08/the-great-adobe-purge-of-19/
Ha, hadn't heard about this. That first article seems to be talking about organizations that use Java. But, it's not very clear what the situation is.

At any rate, it seems to me that it's not Adobe's job to tell its customers to remove software because Oracle may decide at some point that they're infringing because they decided to charge for something that was previously free. If that's what Oracle is actually doing, which isn't really clear from that information.

And somehow, I find it difficult to believe that if someone has an older version of Adobe s/w, which necessarily would use an older version of Java (if it uses Java at all), that Oracle would suddenly go after individual non-commercial users because it suddenly decided that those previously-free versions suddenly aren't.

In my view, the whole thing comes across as a big muddled mess, with poor management of customer communication on Adobe's - and now, it seems, Oracle's - part!
The test several days ago and was and then resolved. The Orcale thing may or may not be valid. It has only been a day and most knee jerk reactions have an answer.
Yeah, that's why I called it the "18-hour test."

And Oracle-related or not, the fact is Adobe *did* sent that vaguely threatening email.

I believe there's no disputing that it's rather odd behavior from a large well-established company.
 
I've never understood why people go crazy trying to change Adobe or expecting Adobe to change its business practices (regardless of what one might think of them).
There are people that hate corporates bc they are all evil and they need a target for their BWM.

I wish DPR would ban those who spread FUD ( but in this case they should ban themself too ).
 
The comments on their own official forums are horrendous. People literally in their droves up in arms, helpless, desperate, freaking out about how they have been, and are being, screwed over. Seriously, some of these comments need to be looked at...

You may never see the "company" in the same light again:

https://forums.adobe.com/community/creative_cloud/content
Yes, it's not nice being dependent on a corporate "bully", though I've certainly seen worse examples.
I don't think people are denying there are worse.
I'm not an apologist for Adobe, but
... says every Adobe apologist on DPR.
 
And Oracle-related or not, the fact is Adobe *did* sent that vaguely threatening email.
Who then if not Adobe ? Their product their customers.

I would be very worried if Oracle sent that email.
Do you mean it's okay if Adobe threatens its legal, paying customers, but not if Oracle does?

Don't get your point.
 
You just have to call Adobe if you want an older version.

 
And Oracle-related or not, the fact is Adobe *did* sent that vaguely threatening email.
Who then if not Adobe ? Their product their customers.

I would be very worried if Oracle sent that email.
Do you mean it's okay if Adobe threatens its legal, paying customers, but not if Oracle does?
No, not what I mean.

Just that Adobe knows who is using their products that are possibly affected by Oracle change.
 
If that's the case, doesn't it mean that there isn't any "licensing issue"?
My guess is if there is an issue with Java or something like that then they probably can't have on their site and provided a warning because they had to. As for us using it I don't really know. How many have been using pirated versions for years when the older versions were current and how many were penalized for it?

You ask a good question. I'll see if I can find out more.
 

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