A1 owners-How is your Auto White Balance?

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

Wanted to add, many of these yellowish shots improve with autofix.

What-if anything, does this mean other than they can be somewhat corrected by processing?

Thanks,
Linda

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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Linda:

You mentioned you had this problem partly while using flash.

Since flash is balanced to approximate daylight, and incandescent light is much warmer, the ratio of illumination from the flash compared to the amount of ambient light will have some effect on the white balance of your shots.

For example, if the lights in your home are relatively strong, and you are shooting toward the maximum effective range of your flash, the ambient light is likely to have a greater effect and result in a somewhat warmer picture, particularly in the background areas where the flash is even weaker. The converse is also true. Similar variations can be attributed to mixed daylight/tungsten and fluorescent lighting.

I have not found the AWB on my previous digicams (or my camcorders) to be sufficiently consistent in indoor lighting. I usually use a manual WB preset or take a WB reading for that reason. I also notice that in Phil Askey's tests of AWB, many of the best cameras produce warm results under incandescent lighting, and the tests on other digital photography websites show similar variations from neutrality. This may be intentional; indoor shots that look like they were shot under noon daylight (at least with regard to color temperature) dont look particularly natural.

If you're also getting inconsistent results in purely incandescent lighting, then you may be seeing a defect in your particular camera. May I suggest that, if you still have your 7Hi, you do side by side shots with each camera under the same lighting conditions? (Taking time to allow the AWB to stabilize and to frame the exact same areas). If the 7Hi is equally inconsistent, you are probably within the latitude that Minolta designed the AWB to cope with. If the results from the 7Hi are consistent but the ones from the A1 are not, you may have a defective camera.

Good luck.

Tony

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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Linda - I have been following your excitement, trials and tribulations for the past few days. For years I was stuck with max of 26.4 downloads. Now I'm spoiled having had Road Runner for almost three years.

First, note that I have a 7i. I always find that the white balance indoors is best when manually set. There is a fairly strong yellow cast when using AWB indoors (although the incandescent setting is pretty good). If you will look at the AWB tests in the Imaging Resource reviews for the 7i and 7hi, you will clearly see the yellow cast in Auto and even in the Incandescent setting. There is no yellow cast in the manual setting. Given the ease of setting it on the A1, I'd think that it would make sense to use it whenever indoors.
Here are the links for the IR reviews:
7i - http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D7I/D7IPICS.HTM
7hi - http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D7HI/D7HIPICS.HTM
(note that the second shot is mislabeled in the 7hi review - s/b incandescent).

--
JC

Linda:

I just saw your post on another thread. It appears that you are shooting under a mixture of incandescent and fluorescent lighting, with occasional use of flash too. There may also be daylight coming into the picture in some of your shots, but you do not say.

Mixed light sources are the MOST difficult for AWB to cope with. Incandescent (tungsten filament) bulbs in a home typically have a color temperature range from 2200 to 3000 degrees Kelvin (kind of orange-yellow when viewed under a daylight white balance setting) while fluorescents are often discontinuous spectrum light sources that look greenish yellow in comparison. Daylight (and daylight balanced flash) ranges from 5000 to 6000 degrees Kelvin, and even higher in open shade or overcast daylight (and looks white under daylight white balance or blue under tungsten white balance).

Depending upon the strength of each respective light source, including wattage, reflector type, diffusers/shades, the number of bulbs/tubes and their respective distances from your subject, the final composite "white balance" for your subject will consequently be subject to a lot more variables than shooting under pure daylight or pure incandescent lighting. Furthermore, different parts of your pictures will have color variations depending upon the respective amounts of illumination coming from the different light sources. These can be further influenced by shading objects or distance from the specific light sources.

It is very difficut to achieve consistent white balance automatically under that mixed light source situation. I therefore suspect that your A1's AWB is working as intended but being extended beyond its capabilities. If you still have your 7Hi, may I suggest that you try the tests outlined in my previous post to see if your A1's AWB is noticeably less consistent than your 7Hi's ?

Good luck,

Tony

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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Speaking of AWB: my HP618 almost always give me good WB (to many is the best AWB out there), but sometimes it seems to lock on a particular setting making a bluish appearance. Turning it OFF/ON again corrects the problem.

Perhaps A1 has the same symptoms. As already mentioned in other thread, I get some yellowish pictures from my A1, but now I cannot reproduce the problem anymore. Although I've never notice that on my 7Hi, I had the camera for just two-three (summer) months, and now I have the A1 when I start to use more artificial light around the house...

As others have said, outdoor pictures are just right (there no noticeable difference between AWB and DAYLIGHT WB).

Perhaps after this weekend I'll have more precise information about this.

--
JP
Lisbon, PORTUGAL

Saxo wrote

Linda. I se the same colourchange as you discribe with my A1 set to Auto and taking indoorphotos. My Coolpix 5700 had the tendency to give more of a red tone in the same situation.

Blindman said:

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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Linda - I have been following your excitement, trials and
tribulations for the past few days. For years I was stuck with max
of 26.4 downloads. Now I'm spoiled having had Road Runner for
almost three years.
First, note that I have a 7i. I always find that the white balance
indoors is best when manually set. There is a fairly strong yellow
cast when using AWB indoors (although the incandescent setting is
pretty good). If you will look at the AWB tests in the Imaging
Resource reviews for the 7i and 7hi, you will clearly see the
yellow cast in Auto and even in the Incandescent setting. There is
no yellow cast in the manual setting. Given the ease of setting it
on the A1, I'd think that it would make sense to use it whenever
indoors.
Here are the links for the IR reviews:
7i - http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D7I/D7IPICS.HTM
7hi - http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D7HI/D7HIPICS.HTM
(note that the second shot is mislabeled in the 7hi review - s/b
incandescent).

--
JC

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i appreciate the replies. my concern is really whether it is within the range for the camera or a problem with the unit.

I sold my 7Hi --though I have virtually identical photos since I took a camera course and my kitchen-late at night, was where I took a lot of shots.

I DO have a 5700 and a V1 and could compare with either of those, though they are certainly not identical cameras.

I actually was the absolute thing I fist noticed when I turned the A1 on fir the first time and looked into the lcd. I thought it was an lcd setting, but it wasn't.

I am very used to the camera and the settings--and I guess I would feel so much better if I had another A1 in my hand simultaneously taking the same shot. AS I have had differences between the very same cameras in the past--notably my first 7Hi which experienced severe vignetting with filters at all, it is on my mind. B & H took that unit back withone phone call. No test, no calls to Minolta, just mail it back. Then, feeling someone anxious, I bought it for more money locally, and that unit had sharper, clearer pictures, never vignetted and was wonderful. Go figure. That store said they sent a few back and I should absolutely be picky at these prices.

Afterall, these are sensitive little computers.

I know it is hard and sometimes subjective. I actually can send some photos to Voorhees to also post on his site. They would be the same ones I sent to State Street. I now they are trying to be helpful. Wish it was as easy as walking into their store and taking side by side shots.

No hot pixels, etc., and one never knows what another unit will bring.

As I also have a 5700 now, I know that some new cameras with that unit had hot pixels.

I just would like to know my camera is the equivalent of a 'perfect' unit for the model.

Thanks for the information. Maybe I will send Scott some shots.
I did not have this with the 7Hi.

Linda

Joaquim Pereira said:

Speaking of AWB: my HP618 almost always give me good WB (to many is
the best AWB out there), but sometimes it seems to lock on a
particular setting making a bluish appearance. Turning it OFF/ON
again corrects the problem.

Perhaps A1 has the same symptoms. As already mentioned in other
thread, I get some yellowish pictures from my A1, but now I cannot
reproduce the problem anymore. Although I've never notice that on
my 7Hi, I had the camera for just two-three (summer) months, and
now I have the A1 when I start to use more artificial light around
the house...
As others have said, outdoor pictures are just right (there no
noticeable difference between AWB and DAYLIGHT WB).

Perhaps after this weekend I'll have more precise information about
this.

--
JP
Lisbon, PORTUGAL

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Hello.

Auto WB works well in my experience with flash indoors. Indoors with no flash the AWB is not doing a good job.

Solution:

a) Select the correct WB from the WB dial OR

b) Create your own indoor WB profile (you can create 3 using the WB settings button on the left bottom side of the camera) and assign them (with other settings) to e.g. Register 1. When you need it, it can be easily recalled from the MR position of the Exposure dial. Works well for me !

Geir Ove

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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Linda,

Like you an everyone else, my new A1 also has a yellowish tone for indoor pics withouta flash. Seems to be typical of the model.

Can't say it's a big deal for me, for anyone reading this wh is interested in the A1. Great camera, with some niggles that aren't a problem for me. (Pics to come...)

Joel

lharris said:

i appreciate the replies. my concern is really whether it is within
the range for the camera or a problem with the unit.

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Hi Linda,

Glad you're enjoying the A1. How about the D100, did you buy it too? If so, what kind of lens(es) did you get? How's the learning curve, or is it pretty simple to use? Anyway, hope you are enjoying that camera too.

Best regards,

José

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Linda, I somehow suspect from the nature of this problem that it is a firmware setting and not a defect specific to your cam since tungsten is way down the temp scale. If there was an AWB problem with your camera specifically I would expect to see it at all settings - and other A1 owners have noted the same issue. As defects go it is easily rectified and not serious.

By all means get others to confirm - I suspect it was just tricky to get the AWB setting perfect at all ranges on this new sensor, and they probably made sure of the outdoor temperatures first. It was pretty bad on the D7i as well so it took them a while to get it right before!

Its also possible that this and a few other niggles as noted elsewhere were shipped as known bugs when Minolta got wind of the 828, S7000 and 300D annoucements and they just decided to put fixes out as a firmware upgrade and announce anyway to beat them to the punch!!

Steve

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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A1 vs 7hi in the same lighting conditions...

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/pcmphotoupload/lst?.view=t&.dir=/My+Photos

Thanks
Chandra

Steve Jacob said:

Steve

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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I should also note that my living room, where I tested the A1 last night has halogen and incandescent light sources, plus the TV was on for what that's worth. The halogens are the primary light source, plus in a few accents, while the incandescent light is coming from the adjacent dining room. The walls of my apartment are a navajo white type of matte color.

I'll post pics soon...

I sent my check but my friend ultimately returned it to the store. I got a D100 book from short courses but they are being kind and taking it back.

I had been looking forward to it--but that is how it goes. SOOO glad not to have cancelled the A1! Another friend just cgot the Rebel and is filling me in on his experiences with it. His first expreience of note is the high cost of lenses! He does like the cam, tho.

Thanks for reading my posts and for asking...

Linda

José B said:

Hi Linda,

Glad you're enjoying the A1. How about the D100, did you buy it
too? If so, what kind of lens(es) did you get? How's the learning
curve, or is it pretty simple to use? Anyway, hope you are enjoying
that camera too.

Best regards,

José

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http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

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Thanks STeve. I guess I expected a gbit more given the 7Hi had no issues.

Minolta senior techs said return to seller, but I understand that State Street doesn't want me to find the same issue with the next camera. Yet-others don't have the problem-it seems. I will wait and see...I don't have the luxury of using two cameras simulataneously under the same conditions.

Having had the 7Hi the quality is a bit less dramatic to me than to others, but the camera ergonics and size are very easy and the lcd actually is a pleasure now that it can move. I didn't think it would amount to much, but it really helps.

Menu navigations, dials are all simpler. Unlike others, I really like flex focus--but of course that was on the 7Hi as well.

It is like a family member come home--except for the many now unusable rechargeables....but my remote works with it, my two WA and tele lenses and my uv filter. Probably need some more CF. I have 2 128 and 2 256 40X. Love the 40x Lexars.

Best regards,
Linda

If you e-mail me I will forward some of the troubled photos.
Anti-shake is terrific.

Steve Jacob said:

Steve

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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Chandra,

To my eye the A1 images look more natural, if a bit warm. The 7H i and A1 fields-of-view are different and thus one would expet the Auto WB to differ slightly. The 7Hi images appear to be slightly over exposed and washed out and have a definite cyan cast. I checked the RGB values for the white-ish portion on the top Velbon box for the two cameras, which came out as:
A1 - 184,175,174
7Hi - 175,182,188

These values vary a lot from place to place on the box. but are, I think, fairly representative of the recorded WB for the two cameras for their respective FOV.
Rgds.
Martyn.

Chandra Pinjala said:

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/pcmphotoupload/lst?.view=t&.dir=/My+Photos

Thanks
Chandra

Steve Jacob said:

Steve

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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Digititis

Thank you ever so much...it is so validating. not that it means I necessarily have a problem camera-though I might---

At least it is very obvious their IS a difference. I guess so few moved from 7Hi to A1. It was the first this I noticed out of the box. If you can send to Minolta that would be awesome.

I cna't see why they cant fix it. I wonder if every A1 would test this way or just the initial or selected ones?

Many, Many thanks.

Chandra Pinjala said:

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/pcmphotoupload/lst?.view=t&.dir=/My+Photos

Thanks
Chandra

Steve Jacob said:

Steve

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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You are obviously knowledgeable. Could you dummy-down this explanation for me so I get it. It is a bit over my head.

Thanks for taking the time,
Lnda

MJEC said:

Chandra Pinjala said:

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/pcmphotoupload/lst?.view=t&.dir=/My+Photos

Thanks
Chandra

Steve Jacob said:

Steve

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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What he means it they are both wrong - by almost the same amount - its just that the blue cast is less noticeable to the eye. With so little blue in a tungsten spectrum you are going to lose a lot of the shorter wave colours anyway - so a blue WB will probably have lower overall colour saturation.

Chandras camera is the same as yours by the looks of it.

You can always records and store a custom WB setting for the cam and use it indoors or just use the flash on the daylight/auto setting.

I always do this on the 7i, or use custom.

Steve

lharris said:

Thanks for taking the time,
Lnda

MJEC said:

Chandra Pinjala said:

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/pcmphotoupload/lst?.view=t&.dir=/My+Photos

Thanks
Chandra

Steve Jacob said:

Steve

lharris said:

I love the A1 but seem to intermittently -only indoors--have a
yellow or brownish cast using AWB,with and without the use of
flash. I did not experience this with the 7Hi and am under
discussion with State Street Direct about whether this is a defect
in my particular camera alone--or just a matter of how AWB is in
Auto on a prosumer.

I do not mind work arounds. I would only mind if this was unique to
just my camera or to a handful. Then I would want to swap out to
another camera. A few posters here have noted this. Others have not.

Minolta tech says swap out. State Street thinks it is inherent in
this type of camera and is trying their demo.

So, to new users, do you have indoors AWB problems and if so, under
what conditions and feel free to e-mail me a down-sized photo to
forward to State Street Direct. That would be a large help as I
don't want to unnecessarily return a camera to find the next one
identical in output. Likewise, if it is a glitch in my camera, I
would certainly rather have State Street take mine back and send a
different one.

Otherwise the camera is a real gem to use!

I appreciate and could really use your assistance.

Linda

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