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Hi,

Sorry for the overload of information, but I hope it will help.

I’m an amateur photographer. I mostly take photos of kids in the family indoors and outdoors, family outings, and items that I’ve made, such as clothing or baked goods.

I also sometimes take photos of the people and wares at street fairs or farmers markets.

Family documentary photography is something I’m interested in getting into later on, but more for documenting my family’s life and possibly for friends than as a full fledged business.

I owned a Nikon D70 with 50mm 1.8 for about 7 years before the camera died (I still have them actually), an Olympus em10 mark ii with Panasonic 20mm 1.7 for a while, then a Nikon D5500 with kit lens and the aforementioned 50mm 1.8.

One thing I loved about the em10 was its silent shooting mode and small size, but I know the A7 ii doesn’t have silent shooting, and that that feature is severely crippled on the RP.

Over the years I’ve rented a Nikon D7000 with 35mm lens (I really liked that focal length on it), a Fujifilm xt10 with kit lens (I loved it other than the way the noise reduction behaved in low light and a few other small things), and most recently a Sony A6500 with Sigma 16mm 1.4 (my favorite with it other than the size and weight) and Sony FE 50mm 1.8.

I’ve also rented the Canon 5D Mark ii with the Canon 24-70 2.8L and the Nikon D610 with the Sigma 24-35 f2. I found editing to be easier on the photos (I assume partially due to the lenses which I can’t afford but love!) I took with those two cameras and felt a lot more inspired, so I had a lot more keepers. I think that I also like a wider field of view, which those lenses on a FF offered.

I haven’t owned a real camera in a year now and am ready to have one of my own again.

I’ve been waffling between staying with a crop sensor or finally scratching the full frame itch I’ve had since my first camera.

I’ve shot in manual mode since the beginning and love the versatility of raw files, but am by no means even an intermediate in shooting or editing in my opinion since while I have taken many shots that I think are great, I am not consistent and the bad or mediocre shots outnumber them. So I’ll be going over the basics again and hopefully growing from there with my new camera.

I’m trying to decide between the A7 ii with kit lens and the RP body only because I can get them with monthly payments on Amazon, and the A7 ii just went on sale again today.

I’m not a gear head and don’t have the income to buy lots of lenses, so I’d most likely only buy one or two lenses.

If I was able to buy 1 lens under $400 now, and save up for another lens at the end of the year, what would you all suggest?
 
I’m trying to decide between the A7 ii with kit lens and the RP body only because I can get them with monthly payments on Amazon, and the A7 ii just went on sale again today.
a7ii with kit lens for $1k? significantly cheaper than the eos-rp.

the a7ii is older technology, but it has a better sensor than the eos-rp.
I’m not a gear head and don’t have the income to buy lots of lenses, so I’d most likely only buy one or two lenses.

If I was able to buy 1 lens under $400 now, and save up for another lens at the end of the year, what would you all suggest?
a7ii comes with a lens, for less money than the eos-rp body by itself.

what lenses were you planning on getting with the eos-rp?
 
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Hi,

Sorry for the overload of information, but I hope it will help.

I’m an amateur photographer. I mostly take photos of kids in the family indoors and outdoors, family outings, and items that I’ve made, such as clothing or baked goods.

I also sometimes take photos of the people and wares at street fairs or farmers markets.

Family documentary photography is something I’m interested in getting into later on, but more for documenting my family’s life and possibly for friends than as a full fledged business.

I owned a Nikon D70 with 50mm 1.8 for about 7 years before the camera died (I still have them actually), an Olympus em10 mark ii with Panasonic 20mm 1.7 for a while, then a Nikon D5500 with kit lens and the aforementioned 50mm 1.8.

One thing I loved about the em10 was its silent shooting mode and small size, but I know the A7 ii doesn’t have silent shooting, and that that feature is severely crippled on the RP.

Over the years I’ve rented a Nikon D7000 with 35mm lens (I really liked that focal length on it), a Fujifilm xt10 with kit lens (I loved it other than the way the noise reduction behaved in low light and a few other small things), and most recently a Sony A6500 with Sigma 16mm 1.4 (my favorite with it other than the size and weight) and Sony FE 50mm 1.8.

I’ve also rented the Canon 5D Mark ii with the Canon 24-70 2.8L and the Nikon D610 with the Sigma 24-35 f2. I found editing to be easier on the photos (I assume partially due to the lenses which I can’t afford but love!) I took with those two cameras and felt a lot more inspired, so I had a lot more keepers. I think that I also like a wider field of view, which those lenses on a FF offered.

I haven’t owned a real camera in a year now and am ready to have one of my own again.

I’ve been waffling between staying with a crop sensor or finally scratching the full frame itch I’ve had since my first camera.

I’ve shot in manual mode since the beginning and love the versatility of raw files, but am by no means even an intermediate in shooting or editing in my opinion since while I have taken many shots that I think are great, I am not consistent and the bad or mediocre shots outnumber them. So I’ll be going over the basics again and hopefully growing from there with my new camera.

I’m trying to decide between the A7 ii with kit lens and the RP body only because I can get them with monthly payments on Amazon, and the A7 ii just went on sale again today.

I’m not a gear head and don’t have the income to buy lots of lenses, so I’d most likely only buy one or two lenses.

If I was able to buy 1 lens under $400 now, and save up for another lens at the end of the year, what would you all suggest?
The Canon EOS RP will give you better "IQ" image quality and better (faster) AF focusing and can easily use DSLR lenses

www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless
 
I’m trying to decide between the A7 ii with kit lens and the RP body only because I can get them with monthly payments on Amazon, and the A7 ii just went on sale again today.
a7ii with kit lens for $1k? significantly cheaper than the eos-rp.

the a7ii is older technology, but it has a better sensor than the eos-rp.
I think one thing holding me back is the lens selection, which shouldn’t since I don’t plan to buy a lot of lenses anyway. I would want to supplement the kit lens though since I know lens quality has quite the impact on an image.

What would you say makes the sensor of the a7ii better than the RP? I’ve been researching them, but haven’t really seen (or maybe I just don’t remember seeing them) many direct comparisons between the two. I have seen a lot of people saying that the a7ii is a better buy though.
I’m not a gear head and don’t have the income to buy lots of lenses, so I’d most likely only buy one or two lenses.

If I was able to buy 1 lens under $400 now, and save up for another lens at the end of the year, what would you all suggest?
a7ii comes with a lens, for less money than the eos-rp body by itself.

what lenses were you planning on getting with the eos-rp?
That is true! I’d have more money to put towards another lens, but I overthink things, and may have to push down my desire to have something “brand spanking new” even though I know the RP sensor isn’t actually new.

For the RP I’m considering the RF 35mm 1.8, or with adapter the EF 50mm 1.8 stm, EF 50mm 1.4, or EF 40mm 1.8 stm w/ adapter, and then figure out what I should save up for after that. I don’t mind having only one lens for a while as it’s what I’m used to.
 
I’m trying to decide between the A7 ii with kit lens and the RP body only because I can get them with monthly payments on Amazon, and the A7 ii just went on sale again today.
a7ii with kit lens for $1k? significantly cheaper than the eos-rp.

the a7ii is older technology, but it has a better sensor than the eos-rp.
I think one thing holding me back is the lens selection, which shouldn’t since I don’t plan to buy a lot of lenses anyway. I would want to supplement the kit lens though since I know lens quality has quite the impact on an image.
the cheap sony ff kit lens is not known for having good p.q... if you can stretch the budget a bit, the tamron 28-75/2.8 is much better, and canon doesn't have anything comparable in a native milc mount.
What would you say makes the sensor of the a7ii better than the RP? I’ve been researching them, but haven’t really seen (or maybe I just don’t remember seeing them) many direct comparisons between the two. I have seen a lot of people saying that the a7ii is a better buy though.
canon re-uses old sensors in newer cameras, among other things... see this d.r. comparison, that is stops on the left side: http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon EOS RP,Sony ILCE-7M2

eos-rp is down two stops at base iso, which is terrible by modern standards.
I’m not a gear head and don’t have the income to buy lots of lenses, so I’d most likely only buy one or two lenses.

If I was able to buy 1 lens under $400 now, and save up for another lens at the end of the year, what would you all suggest?
a7ii comes with a lens, for less money than the eos-rp body by itself.

what lenses were you planning on getting with the eos-rp?
That is true! I’d have more money to put towards another lens, but I overthink things, and may have to push down my desire to have something “brand spanking new” even though I know the RP sensor isn’t actually new.

For the RP I’m considering the RF 35mm 1.8,
$500 for that lens, or $880 for the sony tamron zoom... the latter would be a lot more practical, but bigger and probably heavier.
or with adapter the EF 50mm 1.8 stm, EF 50mm 1.4, or EF 40mm 1.8 stm w/ adapter, and then figure out what I should save up for after that. I don’t mind having only one lens for a while as it’s what I’m used to.
those are all bargain lenses, good r.o.i., but it's old tech.
 
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I’m trying to decide between the A7 ii with kit lens and the RP body only because I can get them with monthly payments on Amazon, and the A7 ii just went on sale again today.
a7ii with kit lens for $1k? significantly cheaper than the eos-rp.

the a7ii is older technology, but it has a better sensor than the eos-rp.
I think one thing holding me back is the lens selection, which shouldn’t since I don’t plan to buy a lot of lenses anyway. I would want to supplement the kit lens though since I know lens quality has quite the impact on an image.
the cheap sony ff kit lens is not known for having good p.q... if you can stretch the budget a bit, the tamron 28-75/2.8 is much better, and canon doesn't have anything comparable in a native milc mount.
I will definitely bookmark that lens for consideration. I wouldn’t be able to swing it now, but maybe in a few months.
What would you say makes the sensor of the a7ii better than the RP? I’ve been researching them, but haven’t really seen (or maybe I just don’t remember seeing them) many direct comparisons between the two. I have seen a lot of people saying that the a7ii is a better buy though.
canon re-uses old sensors in newer cameras, among other things... see this d.r. comparison, that is stops on the left side: http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon EOS RP,Sony ILCE-7M2

eos-rp is down two stops at base iso, which is terrible by modern standards.
Thanks for linking that page. Once I figured out what was going on, it was so much clearer than someone just saying that the RP has less dynamic range. I can see now what reviewers were saying when they mentioned it having less dynamic range than modern aspc sensors. It’s something to think about, for sure.

I’m not a gear head and don’t have the income to buy lots of lenses, so I’d most likely only buy one or two lenses.

If I was able to buy 1 lens under $400 now, and save up for another lens at the end of the year, what would you all suggest?
a7ii comes with a lens, for less money than the eos-rp body by itself.

what lenses were you planning on getting with the eos-rp?
That is true! I’d have more money to put towards another lens, but I overthink things, and may have to push down my desire to have something “brand spanking new” even though I know the RP sensor isn’t actually new.

For the RP I’m considering the RF 35mm 1.8,
$500 for that lens, or $880 for the sony tamron zoom... the latter would be a lot more practical, but bigger and probably heavier.
I know that wanting lightness and compactness as well as full frame don’t quite go together, but with wanting something a bit lighter in mind I will have to see how I feel about the weight of that zoom if I can find one on display somewhere. I want something that I won’t be tempted to leave at home due to weight, but image quality is important too.

I could possibly get the RF 35mm cheaper due to a coupon, so it wouldn’t cost as much, but you have a point with a good quality zoom giving me more bang for my buck.
or with adapter the EF 50mm 1.8 stm, EF 50mm 1.4, or EF 40mm 1.8 stm w/ adapter, and then figure out what I should save up for after that. I don’t mind having only one lens for a while as it’s what I’m used to.
those are all bargain lenses, good r.o.i., but it's old tech.
Whatever I get I’ll need a cheaper lens to tide me over while saving up for something better.
 
Hi,

Sorry for the overload of information, but I hope it will help.

I’m an amateur photographer. I mostly take photos of kids in the family indoors and outdoors, family outings, and items that I’ve made, such as clothing or baked goods.

I also sometimes take photos of the people and wares at street fairs or farmers markets.

Family documentary photography is something I’m interested in getting into later on, but more for documenting my family’s life and possibly for friends than as a full fledged business.

I owned a Nikon D70 with 50mm 1.8 for about 7 years before the camera died (I still have them actually), an Olympus em10 mark ii with Panasonic 20mm 1.7 for a while, then a Nikon D5500 with kit lens and the aforementioned 50mm 1.8.

One thing I loved about the em10 was its silent shooting mode and small size, but I know the A7 ii doesn’t have silent shooting, and that that feature is severely crippled on the RP.

Over the years I’ve rented a Nikon D7000 with 35mm lens (I really liked that focal length on it), a Fujifilm xt10 with kit lens (I loved it other than the way the noise reduction behaved in low light and a few other small things), and most recently a Sony A6500 with Sigma 16mm 1.4 (my favorite with it other than the size and weight) and Sony FE 50mm 1.8.

I’ve also rented the Canon 5D Mark ii with the Canon 24-70 2.8L and the Nikon D610 with the Sigma 24-35 f2. I found editing to be easier on the photos (I assume partially due to the lenses which I can’t afford but love!) I took with those two cameras and felt a lot more inspired, so I had a lot more keepers. I think that I also like a wider field of view, which those lenses on a FF offered.

I haven’t owned a real camera in a year now and am ready to have one of my own again.

I’ve been waffling between staying with a crop sensor or finally scratching the full frame itch I’ve had since my first camera.

I’ve shot in manual mode since the beginning and love the versatility of raw files, but am by no means even an intermediate in shooting or editing in my opinion since while I have taken many shots that I think are great, I am not consistent and the bad or mediocre shots outnumber them. So I’ll be going over the basics again and hopefully growing from there with my new camera.

I’m trying to decide between the A7 ii with kit lens and the RP body only because I can get them with monthly payments on Amazon, and the A7 ii just went on sale again today.

I’m not a gear head and don’t have the income to buy lots of lenses, so I’d most likely only buy one or two lenses.

If I was able to buy 1 lens under $400 now, and save up for another lens at the end of the year, what would you all suggest?
The Canon EOS RP will give you better "IQ" image quality and better (faster) AF focusing and can easily use DSLR lenses

www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless
Faster AF is something that would be nice to have since there are younger kids in the family.

What are your thoughts on the RP having less dynamic range than many other cameras?
 
There is a studio scene tool on this site where you can download the files and play with them. They both are similar enough until you pull the shadows and then the a7ii is just better. The RP will give you the high ISO performance and shallow DOF of a full frame sensor but the files are not as flexible as other stuff

I was looking at some of the lenses you are considering and the IbiS of the a7ii will be nice if you aren't using a tripod.

The AF of the a7ii is probably similar to the RP until light levels drop. The RP will be noticeably better here. For your kids the RP has continuous eye af and that is going to be better than the s eye af on the a7ii. If you were fine with your em10ii AF then either of these will probably be serviceable

Lenses are a mixed bag. You could skip the cheap bundled lens and go with the a7ii and Tamron 28-75 and that lens would cover a wide range until you decide where you want to go in the future.

So all in all it is a mixed bag. Canon has the less expensive adapted lenses available and Sony has more lenses built for the system. You also know that down the road Sony already has some stellar bodies you could move up to when the prices drop. Canon hasn't released an R that is competitive with the newer bodies

Good luck
 
Wait till u can get a used a73 or 2nd gen canon FF ml.

A72 is just a bad camera and worse value then a73 even if it's half the price. Search Sony subforums on here if u want explanatiom.
 
Wait till u can get a used a73 or 2nd gen canon FF ml.
Maybe. Then again you don't get the photos you would have created. No right or wrong here
A72 is just a bad camera
Huh? Please explain. It is less than a grand and completely competitive with anything at this price point
and worse value then a73 even if it's half the price.
"Value" is a relative term. Sacrificing a $1000 of glass completely changes the subject. Now it is comparing the a7ii with better glass to the a7iii with no glass.
Search Sony subforums on here if u want explanatiom.
Yes do. It is discussed in detail there and there isn't any denying the a7iii is a much better product BUT the changing price point and subjects make the "value" conclusion shift a bit from time to time.
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my equipment: a7iii. NATIVE: sony 50 1.8. samyang 35 2.8. ADAPTED: sigma mc11 adapter. canon 85mm 1.8. sigma (canon) 12-24 4-5.6. canon 70-300mm f/4-5.6 is ii.
 
Hi,

Sorry for the overload of information, but I hope it will help.

I’m an amateur photographer. I mostly take photos of kids in the family indoors and outdoors, family outings, and items that I’ve made, such as clothing or baked goods.

I also sometimes take photos of the people and wares at street fairs or farmers markets.

Family documentary photography is something I’m interested in getting into later on, but more for documenting my family’s life and possibly for friends than as a full fledged business.

I owned a Nikon D70 with 50mm 1.8 for about 7 years before the camera died (I still have them actually), an Olympus em10 mark ii with Panasonic 20mm 1.7 for a while, then a Nikon D5500 with kit lens and the aforementioned 50mm 1.8.

One thing I loved about the em10 was its silent shooting mode and small size, but I know the A7 ii doesn’t have silent shooting, and that that feature is severely crippled on the RP.

Over the years I’ve rented a Nikon D7000 with 35mm lens (I really liked that focal length on it), a Fujifilm xt10 with kit lens (I loved it other than the way the noise reduction behaved in low light and a few other small things), and most recently a Sony A6500 with Sigma 16mm 1.4 (my favorite with it other than the size and weight) and Sony FE 50mm 1.8.

I’ve also rented the Canon 5D Mark ii with the Canon 24-70 2.8L and the Nikon D610 with the Sigma 24-35 f2. I found editing to be easier on the photos (I assume partially due to the lenses which I can’t afford but love!) I took with those two cameras and felt a lot more inspired, so I had a lot more keepers. I think that I also like a wider field of view, which those lenses on a FF offered.

I haven’t owned a real camera in a year now and am ready to have one of my own again.

I’ve been waffling between staying with a crop sensor or finally scratching the full frame itch I’ve had since my first camera.

I’ve shot in manual mode since the beginning and love the versatility of raw files, but am by no means even an intermediate in shooting or editing in my opinion since while I have taken many shots that I think are great, I am not consistent and the bad or mediocre shots outnumber them. So I’ll be going over the basics again and hopefully growing from there with my new camera.

I’m trying to decide between the A7 ii with kit lens and the RP body only because I can get them with monthly payments on Amazon, and the A7 ii just went on sale again today.

I’m not a gear head and don’t have the income to buy lots of lenses, so I’d most likely only buy one or two lenses.

If I was able to buy 1 lens under $400 now, and save up for another lens at the end of the year, what would you all suggest?
Money is almost always an issue. I normally buy through e-Infinity to save as much as I can. I have used them 7 times, and once I was disappointed with the gear that I got so I returned it and I got my money back. I would recommend them...

You really liked the Canon and the Nikon FF SLRs... I would stick to them...
 
There is a studio scene tool on this site where you can download the files and play with them. They both are similar enough until you pull the shadows and then the a7ii is just better. The RP will give you the high ISO performance and shallow DOF of a full frame sensor but the files are not as flexible as other stuff

I was looking at some of the lenses you are considering and the IbiS of the a7ii will be nice if you aren't using a tripod.

The AF of the a7ii is probably similar to the RP until light levels drop. The RP will be noticeably better here. For your kids the RP has continuous eye af and that is going to be better than the s eye af on the a7ii. If you were fine with your em10ii AF then either of these will probably be serviceable

Lenses are a mixed bag. You could skip the cheap bundled lens and go with the a7ii and Tamron 28-75 and that lens would cover a wide range until you decide where you want to go in the future.

So all in all it is a mixed bag. Canon has the less expensive adapted lenses available and Sony has more lenses built for the system. You also know that down the road Sony already has some stellar bodies you could move up to when the prices drop. Canon hasn't released an R that is competitive with the newer bodies

Good luck
Thank you for recommending the studio scene tool, I didn’t know that it existed. You all’s recommendations are really helping me narrow things down. I feel like I’m making more progress in choosing than I have in the last month.

Unfortunately at this point I’d have to buy the a7ii body- only, then save up another 2 weeks for a low level lens so I can actually use it, and then a couple months for something better OR the a7ii with kit lens and then either buy a sub $400-$500 lens as well, or save up another month or two to get a higher quality lens. Which cameras on Amazon can be purchased with monthly payments is random.

You’ve given me a lot to think about.
 
Wait till u can get a used a73 or 2nd gen canon FF ml.

A72 is just a bad camera and worse value then a73 even if it's half the price. Search Sony subforums on here if u want explanatiom.
I had considered when I started saving to wait until November for possible black friday deals, but that would mean missing out on wider variety of photos I can take this summer and general shooting practice because all I’d be able to do is read theory not having any camera.

It definitely is a worse value than the a7iii (I would love one!), but I don’t see the price coming down on that one to something I could afford and still be able to buy something to shoot on for a while. Meanwhile, even the a7ii is way better than any camera I’ve owned before and people obviously can take amazing photos on it.
 
There is a studio scene tool on this site where you can download the files and play with them. They both are similar enough until you pull the shadows and then the a7ii is just better. The RP will give you the high ISO performance and shallow DOF of a full frame sensor but the files are not as flexible as other stuff

I was looking at some of the lenses you are considering and the IbiS of the a7ii will be nice if you aren't using a tripod.

The AF of the a7ii is probably similar to the RP until light levels drop. The RP will be noticeably better here. For your kids the RP has continuous eye af and that is going to be better than the s eye af on the a7ii. If you were fine with your em10ii AF then either of these will probably be serviceable

Lenses are a mixed bag. You could skip the cheap bundled lens and go with the a7ii and Tamron 28-75 and that lens would cover a wide range until you decide where you want to go in the future.

So all in all it is a mixed bag. Canon has the less expensive adapted lenses available and Sony has more lenses built for the system. You also know that down the road Sony already has some stellar bodies you could move up to when the prices drop. Canon hasn't released an R that is competitive with the newer bodies

Good luck
Thank you for recommending the studio scene tool, I didn’t know that it existed.
The studio scene is great because it is objective. You can also visualize differences. Great and small
You all’s recommendations are really helping me narrow things down. I feel like I’m making more progress in choosing than I have in the last month.

Unfortunately at this point I’d have to buy the a7ii body- only, then save up another 2 weeks for a low level lens so I can actually use it, and then a couple months for something better OR the a7ii with kit lens and then either buy a sub $400-$500 lens as well, or save up another month or two to get a higher quality lens. Which cameras on Amazon can be purchased with monthly payments is random.
I am missing something. If the Sony route is one you choos to go down then the kit is an ok lens. It just isn't that great. I know you had laid out a prime kit on the Canon. For $200 I would grab the kit just to get you buy til you have the lenses you want

If you know you want a better zoom then I would e
You’ve given me a lot to think about.
Good luck
 
Wait till u can get a used a73 or 2nd gen canon FF ml.
Maybe. Then again you don't get the photos you would have created. No right or wrong here
A72 is just a bad camera
Huh? Please explain. It is less than a grand and completely competitive with anything at this price point
and worse value then a73 even if it's half the price.
"Value" is a relative term. Sacrificing a $1000 of glass completely changes the subject. Now it is comparing the a7ii with better glass to the a7iii with no glass.
Search Sony subforums on here if u want explanatiom.
Yes do. It is discussed in detail there and there isn't any denying the a7iii is a much better product BUT the changing price point and subjects make the "value" conclusion shift a bit from time to time.
i'm not gonna rehash everything, it's said in my post history and all sony subforums. summary below

a7ii actuallly cost you more for equivalent pictures. the a73 can shoot adapted cheap canon glass with use-able good AF while the a72 will need expensive native lenses. then you add in more function like animal AF, better af movement tracking, much better battery, better sensor with better iso performance allowing you to shoot hte same shots with cheaper glass.

also, a73 will have sig mroe keepers in 1 hour of shooting with harder to acheive shots than a72. which mean your $/keeper is actually lower on a73.

my glass setup below is about $1000. the same setup on a72 will be MUCH more since you need to buy all native to get acceptable af results.

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my equipment: a7iii. NATIVE: sony 50 1.8. samyang 35 2.8. ADAPTED: sigma mc11 adapter. canon 85mm 1.8. sigma (canon) 12-24 4-5.6. canon 70-300mm f/4-5.6 is ii.
 
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Thank you for recommending the studio scene tool, I didn’t know that it existed.
The studio scene is great because it is objective. You can also visualize differences. Great and small
It's objective but deeply flawed. Most camera people don't know about iso variance / cheating and how it makes a big difference. event eh a73 is requires 1/3 rd less light then a7r3. you need to control how much light hte camera gets to make the picture eg controlled shutter speed and lighting conditions. dxomark does this correct while dpreview does not.

proof is all over youtube.
 
the old mantra about glass over body is no longer correct. Bodies make a huge difference now because of the generation leaps of improvements lately. All of the recent cameras have pretty good IQ; but there is a huge variance in AF performance. Better bodies give you better results with cheaper glass.

OP, please post this in the dedicated sony full frame E mount subforum. the level of knowledge is higher there than what you're getting here.

AF performance a7 ii << a7r2 < a7r3 < a73 < a9. the just released crop a6400 is probably between a73 and a9; jury still out, but it is very good.

before you a72, youtube some AF performance videos between it and cheap aps-c cameras a6000, a6400, a6500 vs a72, a73 vs a72. There is reason sony had to recently sell their a72 + kit for $1000 new; people dont' buy a72s for a reason. I would rather buy one of the aps-c sonys then an a72 because AF is better and will make a bigger difference than IQ difference of 1 stop.

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my equipment: a7iii. NATIVE: sony 50 1.8. samyang 35 2.8. ADAPTED: sigma mc11 adapter. canon 85mm 1.8. sigma (canon) 12-24 4-5.6. canon 70-300mm f/4-5.6 is ii.
 
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the old mantra about glass over body is no longer correct. Bodies make a huge difference now because of the generation leaps of improvements lately. All of the recent cameras have pretty good IQ; but there is a huge variance in AF performance. Better bodies give you better results with cheaper glass.

OP, please post this in the dedicated sony full frame E mount subforum. the level of knowledge is higher there than what you're getting here.

AF performance a7 ii << a7r2 < a7r3 < a73 < a9. the just released crop a6400 is probably between a73 and a9; jury still out, but it is very good.

before you a72, youtube some AF performance videos between it and cheap aps-c cameras a6000, a6400, a6500 vs a72, a73 vs a72. There is reason sony had to recently sell their a72 + kit for $1000 new; people dont' buy a72s for a reason. I would rather buy one of the aps-c sonys then an a72 because AF is better and will make a bigger difference than IQ difference of 1 stop.
Will do! Thanks for the advice. I have been researching the a6400 as well in case I want to stay on an apsc sensor and it seems to be a pretty interesting camera.
 
There is a studio scene tool on this site where you can download the files and play with them. They both are similar enough until you pull the shadows and then the a7ii is just better. The RP will give you the high ISO performance and shallow DOF of a full frame sensor but the files are not as flexible as other stuff

I was looking at some of the lenses you are considering and the IbiS of the a7ii will be nice if you aren't using a tripod.

The AF of the a7ii is probably similar to the RP until light levels drop. The RP will be noticeably better here. For your kids the RP has continuous eye af and that is going to be better than the s eye af on the a7ii. If you were fine with your em10ii AF then either of these will probably be serviceable

Lenses are a mixed bag. You could skip the cheap bundled lens and go with the a7ii and Tamron 28-75 and that lens would cover a wide range until you decide where you want to go in the future.

So all in all it is a mixed bag. Canon has the less expensive adapted lenses available and Sony has more lenses built for the system. You also know that down the road Sony already has some stellar bodies you could move up to when the prices drop. Canon hasn't released an R that is competitive with the newer bodies

Good luck
Thank you for recommending the studio scene tool, I didn’t know that it existed.
The studio scene is great because it is objective. You can also visualize differences. Great and small
You all’s recommendations are really helping me narrow things down. I feel like I’m making more progress in choosing than I have in the last month.

Unfortunately at this point I’d have to buy the a7ii body- only, then save up another 2 weeks for a low level lens so I can actually use it, and then a couple months for something better OR the a7ii with kit lens and then either buy a sub $400-$500 lens as well, or save up another month or two to get a higher quality lens. Which cameras on Amazon can be purchased with monthly payments is random.
I am missing something. If the Sony route is one you choos to go down then the kit is an ok lens. It just isn't that great. I know you had laid out a prime kit on the Canon. For $200 I would grab the kit just to get you buy til you have the lenses you want

If you know you want a better zoom then I would e
It’s not you. Amazon’s monthly payment system is confusing. If I just continue saving and buy without monthly payments I have a lot more choices. I’m just being impatient.

I haven’t nailed down what native lens(es) I would get to start with if I bought Sony yet.
You’ve given me a lot to think about.
Good luck
Thank you
 
Wait till u can get a used a73 or 2nd gen canon FF ml.
Maybe. Then again you don't get the photos you would have created. No right or wrong here
A72 is just a bad camera
Huh? Please explain. It is less than a grand and completely competitive with anything at this price point
and worse value then a73 even if it's half the price.
"Value" is a relative term. Sacrificing a $1000 of glass completely changes the subject. Now it is comparing the a7ii with better glass to the a7iii with no glass.
Search Sony subforums on here if u want explanatiom.
Yes do. It is discussed in detail there and there isn't any denying the a7iii is a much better product BUT the changing price point and subjects make the "value" conclusion shift a bit from time to time.
i'm not gonna rehash everything, it's said in my post history and all sony subforums. summary below

a7ii actuallly cost you more for equivalent pictures. the a73 can shoot adapted cheap canon glass with use-able good AF while the a72 will need expensive native lenses. then you add in more function like animal AF, better af movement tracking, much better battery, better sensor with better iso performance allowing you to shoot hte same shots with cheaper glass.

also, a73 will have sig mroe keepers in 1 hour of shooting with harder to acheive shots than a72. which mean your $/keeper is actually lower on a73.

my glass setup below is about $1000. the same setup on a72 will be MUCH more since you need to buy all native to get acceptable af results.
Thank you for your input. I take it that you’d advise staying with a newer apsc sensor over an older ff? I would jump for a the a73 if I could, but the funds just aren’t there.
 

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