Testing my new 10-24mm: soft corners at 10mm normal?

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Hi guys,

I just tested my new 10-24mm. I checked any possible misalignment.

I noticed that there are soft corners at 10mm, F4. 18mm F4 is very sharp. Corners are again a bit soft at 24mm F4, but not as soft as at 10mm.

I was just wondering if thats normal?

Thank you for your help.

Jo
 
I’ve mentioned this in various posts, but if you occasionally buy lenses, or plan to do so, then having a test chart like this handy is invaluable. If you get a duff lens, you’ll want to know it early on, assuming its returnable.
Not to overstate the obvious, but this is especially good advice that I did not follow when I picked up a mint-copy of a used XF 10-24.

After picking up my copy I did go out and shoot with it right away, but as luck would have it the problem area was in an area of the frame that often has open sky in my shots, so I didn't notice a problem right away; I normally shoot vertical to get the buildings around here all in the frame and I usually leave a little bit of headroom at the the top of the frame so the buildings do not feel crowded.

At any rate, after shooting horizontally a scene where there were details all across the frame, I noticed "smearing" on the right hand side. On my copy it looks like the right-hand, maybe 1/5th to 1/4th, of the entire frame is smeared (pixel peeping here). I made a few prints and it's noticeable at 8x10 and given that I normally print a bit larger than that, I plan on sending the lens in to Fuji this week to get serviced.

Live and learn.
Absolutely. My own experience with the 10-24 taught me a very valuable lesson. I used that lens extensively (actually more than any other) during our recent trip to Europe. Had I stuck with my original copy, the images I brought back would have been seriously degraded as a result of the decentering of that lens.

Now, to be clear, reading forums like this can lead folks to believe that this is an extremely common thing. To be honest, virtually all of the 7 or 8 Fuji lenses I've owned over time tested out perfectly with no defects or issues. However, it only takes one to spoil what could be some irreplaceable images. Thus, it's my humble opinion that taking a little time and preparation to vet out a new lens is a good investment and well worth the effort.

I'm far from an expert on lens design, but I do notice that many similar discussions here seem to revolve around this lens (10-24). I have to wonder whether the design might be challenging enough to make it a bit more prone to decentering or other such issues. I have no "inside knowledge" here, but it's just a thought to ponder. Regardless, if you have a good copy, it's a real jewel and worth a little extra effort to vet out if/when you purchase one IMHO.
Can you post an example with something like trees in the corners where any distortion or loss of sharpness is clearly visible?
 
I’ve mentioned this in various posts, but if you occasionally buy lenses, or plan to do so, then having a test chart like this handy is invaluable. If you get a duff lens, you’ll want to know it early on, assuming its returnable.
Not to overstate the obvious, but this is especially good advice that I did not follow when I picked up a mint-copy of a used XF 10-24.

After picking up my copy I did go out and shoot with it right away, but as luck would have it the problem area was in an area of the frame that often has open sky in my shots, so I didn't notice a problem right away; I normally shoot vertical to get the buildings around here all in the frame and I usually leave a little bit of headroom at the the top of the frame so the buildings do not feel crowded.

At any rate, after shooting horizontally a scene where there were details all across the frame, I noticed "smearing" on the right hand side. On my copy it looks like the right-hand, maybe 1/5th to 1/4th, of the entire frame is smeared (pixel peeping here). I made a few prints and it's noticeable at 8x10 and given that I normally print a bit larger than that, I plan on sending the lens in to Fuji this week to get serviced.

Live and learn.
Absolutely. My own experience with the 10-24 taught me a very valuable lesson. I used that lens extensively (actually more than any other) during our recent trip to Europe. Had I stuck with my original copy, the images I brought back would have been seriously degraded as a result of the decentering of that lens.

Now, to be clear, reading forums like this can lead folks to believe that this is an extremely common thing. To be honest, virtually all of the 7 or 8 Fuji lenses I've owned over time tested out perfectly with no defects or issues. However, it only takes one to spoil what could be some irreplaceable images. Thus, it's my humble opinion that taking a little time and preparation to vet out a new lens is a good investment and well worth the effort.

I'm far from an expert on lens design, but I do notice that many similar discussions here seem to revolve around this lens (10-24). I have to wonder whether the design might be challenging enough to make it a bit more prone to decentering or other such issues. I have no "inside knowledge" here, but it's just a thought to ponder. Regardless, if you have a good copy, it's a real jewel and worth a little extra effort to vet out if/when you purchase one IMHO.
Can you post an example with something like trees in the corners where any distortion or loss of sharpness is clearly visible?
No, sorry. The shots I took which resulted in the return of that lens were of a test chart I use for lens evaluation. The right side of the chart was very soft, clearly demonstrating the fact that the lens was decentered. I don’t believe I have these images any more since I immediately replaced the lens.
 
I’ve mentioned this in various posts, but if you occasionally buy lenses, or plan to do so, then having a test chart like this handy is invaluable. If you get a duff lens, you’ll want to know it early on, assuming its returnable.
Not to overstate the obvious, but this is especially good advice that I did not follow when I picked up a mint-copy of a used XF 10-24.

After picking up my copy I did go out and shoot with it right away, but as luck would have it the problem area was in an area of the frame that often has open sky in my shots, so I didn't notice a problem right away; I normally shoot vertical to get the buildings around here all in the frame and I usually leave a little bit of headroom at the the top of the frame so the buildings do not feel crowded.

At any rate, after shooting horizontally a scene where there were details all across the frame, I noticed "smearing" on the right hand side. On my copy it looks like the right-hand, maybe 1/5th to 1/4th, of the entire frame is smeared (pixel peeping here). I made a few prints and it's noticeable at 8x10 and given that I normally print a bit larger than that, I plan on sending the lens in to Fuji this week to get serviced.

Live and learn.
Absolutely. My own experience with the 10-24 taught me a very valuable lesson. I used that lens extensively (actually more than any other) during our recent trip to Europe. Had I stuck with my original copy, the images I brought back would have been seriously degraded as a result of the decentering of that lens.

Now, to be clear, reading forums like this can lead folks to believe that this is an extremely common thing. To be honest, virtually all of the 7 or 8 Fuji lenses I've owned over time tested out perfectly with no defects or issues. However, it only takes one to spoil what could be some irreplaceable images. Thus, it's my humble opinion that taking a little time and preparation to vet out a new lens is a good investment and well worth the effort.

I'm far from an expert on lens design, but I do notice that many similar discussions here seem to revolve around this lens (10-24). I have to wonder whether the design might be challenging enough to make it a bit more prone to decentering or other such issues. I have no "inside knowledge" here, but it's just a thought to ponder. Regardless, if you have a good copy, it's a real jewel and worth a little extra effort to vet out if/when you purchase one IMHO.
Can you post an example with something like trees in the corners where any distortion or loss of sharpness is clearly visible?
No, sorry. The shots I took which resulted in the return of that lens were of a test chart I use for lens evaluation. The right side of the chart was very soft, clearly demonstrating the fact that the lens was decentered. I don’t believe I have these images any more since I immediately replaced the lens.
 
No, sorry. The shots I took which resulted in the return of that lens were of a test chart I use for lens evaluation. The right side of the chart was very soft, clearly demonstrating the fact that the lens was decentered. I don’t believe I have these images any more since I immediately replaced the lens.
I thought you still have one. Does anybody who claims it's sharp in the corners have a test image at 10mm?
Yes, I still have a copy which replaced the decentered one I returned. The new lens is a tad soft in the corners at 10mm as shown in this post earlier in the thread:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61730164

I believe this amount of softness in the corners at 10mm is well within what would be regarded as normal for this lens. Perhaps someone else might have one with sharper corners, but if you're looking for perfection at the extremes wide open, you may have a long search ahead of you. Good luck.
 
Found this comparison from before and after the repair of my 10-24mm. The pics are tripod mounted taken using timer 3 per test to check for any deviations.

The lens is better than before as blur has gone by f7.1 unlike f9 before.

The cynic could say the lens group was turned round by 90 degrees and given a wipe with a cloth haha. Maybe I was expecting too much but I have quite a few Fuji lenses and none have such anomalies.

Regards

Glen



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Wow. I guess I'm lucky because my 10-24 is sharp, but I guess a bad copy is possible as you often hear from Canon L and Nikon. But it is not common with any modern lens. But it can happen.

Sorry it happened. I hate to think we have to all set up lens charts and test them every time we buy a lens.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/139148982@N02/albums
Well, Greg, to my recollection, this is the first time it’s happened to me with Fuji lenses. The rest of the 7-8 or so lenses that I’ve owned have tested out fine from the get go. Not ready to suggest that this is any more than a bit of bad luck rather than some sort of a systemic issue with this lens or others.

I do think that doing some sort of testing (with charts or otherwise) is sensible regardless. Issues with lens manufacture are not unique to Fuji and given what we pay for these little chunks of glass, I think a little due diligence just makes sense.
Hi Greg,

Yeah, it's a bummer. I packed up the lens and dropped it off with UPS this morning and it should reach the Edison NJ service center by Thursday, Friday at the latest.

Jerry,

This is the first time this has happened to me as well. I just checked my gear profile and there are 8 Fuji-made lenses therein (and 2 Rokinon). My name is Jake and I'm a Fuji lens addict ;-) One day I might catch up with Greg 🤣

Finger's crossed the folks in NJ can get things squared away. I'll update this thread again when I hear back.

Thanks everyone!
 
My name is Jake and I'm a Fuji lens addict ;-) One day I might catch up with Greg 🤣
Good luck with that. I'd like to do the same, but I don't think bank robbery is a good option for me.
Finger's crossed the folks in NJ can get things squared away. I'll update this thread again when I hear back.
Good luck, and I suspect you'll be quite happy with the results.
 
I also just noticed you shot that at 1/15th. I think that kind of test should be done at a faster shutter speed anyway. I also am struggling with my new 10-24. The corners look very very soft but it could be distortion and also looks worse when I enlarge the picture on the screen, which is to be expected but really that's pixel peeping.
 
Meetmer

I`ll tell you what I do at times, you don`t always need 10mm but I will often shoot wider than I need to and crop a touch to get away from the corners , if I need the width and there is room I might step back a touch to leave myself a bit of cropping room. I`m not saying that the corners are really bad because the aren't but the nature of most lenses of that sort of focal range always leaves a bit to be desired.

Hope your new replacement goes OK, let us know.

Dave
 
I also just noticed you shot that at 1/15th. I think that kind of test should be done at a faster shutter speed anyway. I also am struggling with my new 10-24. The corners look very very soft but it could be distortion and also looks worse when I enlarge the picture on the screen, which is to be expected but really that's pixel peeping.
Perhaps you noticed that you responded to a 7 month old post? Regardless, if you’re concerned about the IQ of your lens, try posting a couple of examples at full resolution for people to have a look at. I’m sure you’ll get plenty of opinions to help you decide whether or not you have a real issue.
 
Thanks. I am going to do my own controlled test of the lens tomorrow. I printed out some eye charts, like the kind they use at the DMV. I am going to tape them up to my double wide garage door, in each corner, the center and in the middle of each edge. I will position the camera far enough away such that the whole garage door occupies the frame. Then will use a tripod, level it and shoot. Will let you know...

Doug
 
Thanks. I am going to do my own controlled test of the lens tomorrow. I printed out some eye charts, like the kind they use at the DMV. I am going to tape them up to my double wide garage door, in each corner, the center and in the middle of each edge. I will position the camera far enough away such that the whole garage door occupies the frame. Then will use a tripod, level it and shoot. Will let you know...

Doug
Consider also using a mirror to ensure that you are 100% square to your targets as well. It’s quite easy to be a bit off in your alignment, which can throw the whole test off.
 
YI actually searched out the topic because I figured it was extensively covered in the past. I’m glad a couple of people responded at least. I can post some images after I do the test. I remember Greg Johnson said in a post that his copy is sharp in the corners at 10 mm so I really want to sort this out. It’s disturbing to buy something thinking it’s going to be great and not having it live up to my expectations. The 16 1.4 and the 90 F2, which I also just purchased are performing perfectly
 
YI actually searched out the topic because I figured it was extensively covered in the past. I’m glad a couple of people responded at least. I can post some images after I do the test. I remember Greg Johnson said in a post that his copy is sharp in the corners at 10 mm so I really want to sort this out. It’s disturbing to buy something thinking it’s going to be great and not having it live up to my expectations. The 16 1.4 and the 90 F2, which I also just purchased are performing perfectly
I’ll double check to make sure but I’m pretty sure my own copy is also quite sharp at the corners, so you may have an outlier. I’ll post whatever I find soon as I can get around to peeping a few images.
 
Hi All,

I just moved to the Fuji system was wondering if the softness in the bottom right corner of my 10-24 @10mm is worth sending my lens back for repair. I don't know how long they'll have it and have a number of trip coming up this summer I want to bring it on.

What are your thoughts? I have not had the lens very long at all so sorry these are the two examples I still have.

Thanks!



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The subject matter you focused on is very sharp. You are looking at the very near corners whic seem fairly close. How do the corners perform if your entire subject is further away? Ie is it either a depth of field or distortional issue ?
 
Hi All,

I just moved to the Fuji system was wondering if the softness in the bottom right corner of my 10-24 @10mm is worth sending my lens back for repair. I don't know how long they'll have it and have a number of trip coming up this summer I want to bring it on.

What are your thoughts? I have not had the lens very long at all so sorry these are the two examples I still have.

Thanks!

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Probably best to start a new thread on this. I'd also recommend shooting a grass field at various aperture combinations rather than using normal images.

One common issue with zoom lenses (usually at specific focal lengths) is tilted field, where the field of focus is further away on one side than the other. That kind of issue can be seen very easily using a grass field, as you can see the shape of the plane of focus and not just what is blurred.



In this case, for example, you may find your field of focus tilts away from the camera on the right, so your near corner is simply out of focus.
 
For what it’s worth, my copy at 10mm is super sharp in the centre, and softer in the corners. It can be unnoticeable or if something is there like a tree rock whatever in isolation it’s noticeable.



I think it’s normal at 10mm due to the corrections. My images don’t suffer overall and as I said don’t often notice.
 

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