Fox328
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Wow, i hope this is not the normal situation. In the Netherlands we do everything to prevend this from happening, since we live below sea level. You might at least pass the sign by swimming
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.Fox328
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You did a fine job by creating this series. Although i have to agree with Mike that it would probably be better to stick with the coloured ones my favorite is the fifth picture which is black and white. I think it's the kid which makes this picture special to me.This photo essay is a collection of bad photographs taken from the moving bus through strange and dirty window glass. None of them would stand alone, Each is processed in a way that attempted to accommodate its myriad deficiencies while holding onto its story in hopes that the collection together would capture the spirit of public transport in rural and small town Cuba. Some seem to speak to the inherent time warp more than others.
Fox328
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Funny to see the first statue looking out the window. The second and third share the visitors and i always like to see the interaction with the visitors in an exhibition. I chose the alternative picture as the last one. I think it's better balanced.Last weekend we visited in-laws in Kassel and went to the "Museum für Sepulchralkultur", which is a museum of the various traditions and cultures surrounding death and funerals. Obviously it includes tombstones and coffins, but is a surprisingly fascinating museum. On Saturday, an exhibition by Stephan Balkenhol called "deadline" was opened, which consisted mainly of his typical sculptures carved from wood, and, despite its theme of death, had a humourous light-heartedness to it.
One of the themes in the exhibition was Icarus and his death.
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I couldn't make my mind up on the final photo, so I copped out and offer the alternative as well!
Pete
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MikePDX
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Of these final two shots, I would choose #4 for the simple reason that the figure's left hand reaching out towards the painting on the wall is quite powerful. And it isn't visible at all in #5. The art seen through the window in the upper left corner isn't all that distracting to me.[...]
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I couldn't make my mind up on the final photo, so I copped out and offer the alternative as well!
Pete
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MikePDX
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The tight vertical crop of this shot forces me into a precarious position. The narrowness of the crop adds to the feeling. I'm generally not a fan of tight verticals, but it works well here. You have achieved the sensation that we are dangling in space waiting for him to complete his repair and let us get back safely to earth.
Escalator repair. Seattle.
A more "normal" horizontal view (see below) would have done none of that.
rotated 90 degrees clockwise
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MikePDX
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I agree. There is a lot of art that I can't say that I "like". Mark Rothko comes to mind. However I still appreciate it for what it is. I think these fall into that category.
Hmm. Art is very subjective, isn't it? No two people see it the same way. The world would be a very boring place if we all agreed on it. For me, the processing makes mundane objects into ethereal ones. Isn't that the point?
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RoelHendrickx
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Yes, that is exactly it : the difference between appreciation (cerebral) and liking (cordial).
I agree that that should be the point of abstraction : to TRANSFORM mundane subjects into ... well, abstract ones.
But the point I am making is that in these images, the processing does not succeed in elevating the subject to that extent. In other words : I am still just seeing the mundane scene, but with a processing layer applied to it, and that layer sits "on top" but does not merge. For me, there is no transformation here, but an effect is superimposed onto an unchanged base layer.
I was trying to say that I suppose the technique would (for my taste) have a better result if the initial subject is already more "abstract" to start with.
And yes, that is obviously completely personal and subjective.
VERY interesting discussion (thanks, Lou!)
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Zindanfel
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The vertical is the natural (not rotated) view, cropped from a 4x3. I was about to enter a Down escalator and saw the fixer working on the adjacent Up escalator, so just leaned over and snapped the shot.The tight vertical crop of this shot forces me into a precarious position. The narrowness of the crop adds to the feeling. I'm generally not a fan of tight verticals, but it works well here. You have achieved the sensation that we are dangling in space waiting for him to complete his repair and let us get back safely to earth.
Escalator repair. Seattle.
A more "normal" horizontal view (see below) would have done none of that.
rotated 90 degrees clockwise
Maybe "drone view" will become increasingly common?
I wonder when escalators developed from primarily mechanical devices of pulleys, gears, and wheels to complex machines integrating electronics.
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Mike Fewster
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Irrespective of which view is the angle as seen at the time of clicking the button, I think the original works much better. Looking down into the vertical composition is more dynamic. The same lines when horizontal are more suggestive of rest.The vertical is the natural (not rotated) view, cropped from a 4x3. I was about to enter a Down escalator and saw the fixer working on the adjacent Up escalator, so just leaned over and snapped the shot.The tight vertical crop of this shot forces me into a precarious position. The narrowness of the crop adds to the feeling. I'm generally not a fan of tight verticals, but it works well here. You have achieved the sensation that we are dangling in space waiting for him to complete his repair and let us get back safely to earth.
Escalator repair. Seattle.
A more "normal" horizontal view (see below) would have done none of that.
rotated 90 degrees clockwise
Maybe "drone view" will become increasingly common?
I wonder when escalators developed from primarily mechanical devices of pulleys, gears, and wheels to complex machines integrating electronics.
One gives more of a feeling of difficulty for the mechanic.
In both, the increased saturation of the small area where the work is being done, helps to concentrate our attention on the task and hands.
It's the sort of comparison that repays thinking about when doing critiques. Has the 90degree flip changed our response? I think it does significantly but I'd like to hear if others feel the same?
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Fox328
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I agree with Mike that with showing the effect of the rotated picture definitely gives some insight to the change it makes to feeling of the picture. I also prefer the vertical one.Irrespective of which view is the angle as seen at the time of clicking the button, I think the original works much better. Looking down into the vertical composition is more dynamic. The same lines when horizontal are more suggestive of rest.The vertical is the natural (not rotated) view, cropped from a 4x3. I was about to enter a Down escalator and saw the fixer working on the adjacent Up escalator, so just leaned over and snapped the shot.The tight vertical crop of this shot forces me into a precarious position. The narrowness of the crop adds to the feeling. I'm generally not a fan of tight verticals, but it works well here. You have achieved the sensation that we are dangling in space waiting for him to complete his repair and let us get back safely to earth.
Escalator repair. Seattle.
A more "normal" horizontal view (see below) would have done none of that.
rotated 90 degrees clockwise
Maybe "drone view" will become increasingly common?
I wonder when escalators developed from primarily mechanical devices of pulleys, gears, and wheels to complex machines integrating electronics.
One gives more of a feeling of difficulty for the mechanic.
In both, the increased saturation of the small area where the work is being done, helps to concentrate our attention on the task and hands.
It's the sort of comparison that repays thinking about when doing critiques. Has the 90degree flip changed our response? I think it does significantly but I'd like to hear if others feel the same?
Fox328
Senior Member
There's a lot to see in this picture an i love the different expressions you can see in the faces of the apes and the reflection of the driver. It is also funny to see how the group of apes is divided in two. The ones who are curious what drove into their territory and the ones who are not interested at all. The cropping helps the viewer to give most attention to the two apes at the front of the car.Hello again,
I have been away for a while with nothing notable to offer photographically. But I've just returned from a Tanzania safari. So I do have a few things now. This one from the Ngorongoro Crater is one I especially like.
Watching you watching me
MikePDX
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I agree with your take here. I may not have made myself perfectly clear in my first comment. I only showed the horizontal rotation with the intent of making the point that the vertical one does a much better job of conveying the tension of the situation. Indeed, I find the horizontal view much less interesting.Irrespective of which view is the angle as seen at the time of clicking the button, I think the original works much better. Looking down into the vertical composition is more dynamic. The same lines when horizontal are more suggestive of rest.The vertical is the natural (not rotated) view, cropped from a 4x3. I was about to enter a Down escalator and saw the fixer working on the adjacent Up escalator, so just leaned over and snapped the shot.The tight vertical crop of this shot forces me into a precarious position. The narrowness of the crop adds to the feeling. I'm generally not a fan of tight verticals, but it works well here. You have achieved the sensation that we are dangling in space waiting for him to complete his repair and let us get back safely to earth.
Escalator repair. Seattle.
A more "normal" horizontal view (see below) would have done none of that.
rotated 90 degrees clockwise
Maybe "drone view" will become increasingly common?
I wonder when escalators developed from primarily mechanical devices of pulleys, gears, and wheels to complex machines integrating electronics.
One gives more of a feeling of difficulty for the mechanic.
In both, the increased saturation of the small area where the work is being done, helps to concentrate our attention on the task and hands.
It's the sort of comparison that repays thinking about when doing critiques. Has the 90degree flip changed our response? I think it does significantly but I'd like to hear if others feel the same?
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LouHolland
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He looked down at the valley and saw the home where he lived and had made his plans. Poured down the mountain for a glorious home reception. The rest was centuries later a place in a display case on the mountain and thought I did not know this view, I stay upstairs, looking here is sufficient 
Nice series Pete and I immediately have a preference for the man in the clouds because that turned out to be his final destination.
As a museum object I go for the last photo and I understand the commotion around the window and the light pole to a lesser extent, so I corrected that photo and you might not like it. I myself am satisfied with it, but yes it is your photo and not mine. In the correction, I gave the arm its elbow buckle back and added two feathers to make it credible and complete. Watch ..
Lou
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#4
I couldn't make my mind up on the final photo, so I copped out and offer the alternative as well!
Pete
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Nice series Pete and I immediately have a preference for the man in the clouds because that turned out to be his final destination.
As a museum object I go for the last photo and I understand the commotion around the window and the light pole to a lesser extent, so I corrected that photo and you might not like it. I myself am satisfied with it, but yes it is your photo and not mine. In the correction, I gave the arm its elbow buckle back and added two feathers to make it credible and complete. Watch ..
Lou
#1
#2
#3
#4
I couldn't make my mind up on the final photo, so I copped out and offer the alternative as well!
Pete
#5
The edit
LouHolland
Veteran Member
As a series it tells a story based on associations and in this case with Egypt.... but not in Egypt, the Middle East, or central America.
Our group of enthusiast Scotland hikers will take a plane to Inverness in a few days, for our third bi-annual hiking trip.
This time around we will be exploring the Isle of Skye and parts of Wester Ross (a very fitting area, now that the events in the fictional Westeros of the Game of Thrones TV series will be coming to a conclusion...)
But the below sequence of images is from two years ago.
It may not seem so, but we generally had great weather on our tour of the Cairngorns, Speyside and Aberdeenshire.
Scottish weather is like that : there is always a possibility of four seasons in one day.
The whisky distillery on the 2017 tour was Glenfarclas. That is where the first image was made, during a sudden burst of snow (on April 24...).
The next three images are from the same general area, at the Speyside Cooperage.
The first finds his recognition in the three points. However, my problem with that photo is that it more or less falls and stands with the red color and the reflection, whereby it is noted that things do not come out well in the reflection. Next is another important point, namely the lack of proportional air above the three points.
The second and third belong better together and should be the suggestive consequence of the first when it comes to typing, but has a strong junkyard appearance. Furthermore, I think the lack of good colors, which is often strong in your photos, represents a little appropriate here.
The third photo with its Mastaba like pyramids in a desert of grass is, I think, dynamically the best and the most attractive as an association to one of the oldest Egyptian pyramids.
Lou
Zindanfel
Veteran Member
MikePDX's rotation brings interesting and useful insights on composition. I didn't consider rotation before posting the shot, but in future the option may come more readily to mind.Irrespective of which view is the angle as seen at the time of clicking the button, I think the original works much better. Looking down into the vertical composition is more dynamic. The same lines when horizontal are more suggestive of rest.The vertical is the natural (not rotated) view, cropped from a 4x3. I was about to enter a Down escalator and saw the fixer working on the adjacent Up escalator, so just leaned over and snapped the shot.The tight vertical crop of this shot forces me into a precarious position. The narrowness of the crop adds to the feeling. I'm generally not a fan of tight verticals, but it works well here. You have achieved the sensation that we are dangling in space waiting for him to complete his repair and let us get back safely to earth.
Escalator repair. Seattle.
A more "normal" horizontal view (see below) would have done none of that.
rotated 90 degrees clockwise
Maybe "drone view" will become increasingly common?
I wonder when escalators developed from primarily mechanical devices of pulleys, gears, and wheels to complex machines integrating electronics.
One gives more of a feeling of difficulty for the mechanic.
In both, the increased saturation of the small area where the work is being done, helps to concentrate our attention on the task and hands.
It's the sort of comparison that repays thinking about when doing critiques. Has the 90degree flip changed our response? I think it does significantly but I'd like to hear if others feel the same?
In the horizontal presentation, perspective seems to be just a little off, in that the right side of the electronics box does seem further away than the left side. The slant of the box side betrays hint of a vanishing point somewhere "off stage."
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LouHolland
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Wow, this is really a huge flood on the other side, it is really nice that the local municipality has gained access to this huge swimming pool through this beautiful staircase with handrail.
I'm joking or course, because in fact this is disastrous, but well captured in terms of depth because this view shows the size very well. The stairs and the warning sign play a crucial role here. Like it.
Lou
LouHolland
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Strange, I saw comments as to whether Mono should be or everything in color and therefore wonder whether that influences the personal value judgment per photo or as series!This photo essay is a collection of bad photographs taken from the moving bus through strange and dirty window glass. None of them would stand alone, Each is processed in a way that attempted to accommodate its myriad deficiencies while holding onto its story in hopes that the collection together would capture the spirit of public transport in rural and small town Cuba. Some seem to speak to the inherent time warp more than others.
I personally see no objection here and therefore strongly reject the arguments for this.
Furthermore, in terms of document, I think the first and the fifth speak strongly. The first because the climate apparently allows a traditional train station to be framed with pipes. Very special and very graphic. The group of people in front is indeed a theater where everyone plays their own one-act together, yet singly. The reflection in the cloudy sky can easily be removed.
The fifth for its casual atmosphere and how it shows that normally so many more people are hiding here at the same time until there is a bus.
The portrait is also beautifully characteristic and looks like a Russian equivalent of sunbathing in public spaces.
The latter is wonderful, a breakdown, poverty and how everyone has found their way home and even the dog is on its way to its place of security.
All this in color and black / white is very pleasantly presented as series. Also it breaths a very tranquil atmosphere.
Lou
LouHolland
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Henk, normally lens distortion has normally already been corrected in the camera and if no specific WA lens is used I still support the observation of others that in a photo the most important vertical is normally corrected and that is the mill here.I think it's funny we all associate Holland with windmills, canals etc. As you can see even i do this.
This monday I had a day off and went out with my wife when i saw the man in the boat. I had not much time to take the picture with my phone and have not looked close enough before posting it. But it was not taken straight enough and indeed needs a slight correction.
The picture was taken in the old part of Leidschendam (near the Hague) but you can see the newer buildings in the distance behind the windmill.
Thanks for the comments.
Henk
Hereby the straightened version:
Your photo itself and yes as a Dutchman, I don't pay much attention to that is typically Dutch. Thus we see views of other countries where we say, typically Indonesian or Indian or Pakistani.
The country's national appearance is here the canal country below sea level with a very famous past and the possibility that if we do not want to look up all specific Dutch places to see building methods and customs, we can always go to the open air museum
In terms of construction, the ambiguity of times is well represented here. A nice photo.
Lou
MikePDX
Senior Member
Thanks for the comments. I thought this shot was full of interesting detail beyond the intense stare-down. The goofy "photo bomber" in the lower left was purely serendipity. I didn't see him when I was concentrating on getting our guide lined up in the mirror. I also didn't see, at the time, the baboon behind and to the right who is playing with the hood ornament. All in all, I could only wish that those windshield stickers weren't there.
Here is another from that encounter. These young baboons were having fun playing with the antenna. The one to our right pulled it back and let it go, smacking the other one in the face, which prompted them both to scamper away.
What does this do?
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Here is another from that encounter. These young baboons were having fun playing with the antenna. The one to our right pulled it back and let it go, smacking the other one in the face, which prompted them both to scamper away.
What does this do?
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Zindanfel
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A challenge?
Walk on water...if you dare. Or, maybe just take a moment for a minor ego adjustment?
Viewer is confronted with unaccustomed limitations on freedom. Disappointment? Anger? Oh, well?
Such an in-your-face theme might be enhanced by cropping off the stick at upper left and by cropping the top down to just a 1 or 2 mm sliver of far shore, the objective being to intensify the remaining, most compelling, elements
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