D850 Vs Fuji Xt2

Hi, all.

A bit disappointed in my D850 compared with my Fuji Xt2 picture wise.

I am using a Tamron 24-70 f2.8 G2 and a Nikon 85 f1.8 D with the D850.

I have had the D850 for about a month now, a steep learning curve from the Xt2. I know the fault is me, but trying hard!

Maybe my choice of lenses for the Nikon?

I have the Fuji 56 f1.2 on the Xt2







which gives great results. As seen above.

I will persist!

Dave

Keep working at it, man, the D850 is the superior camera. There's more to it than cherry picking one DX shot and comparing it to an FF shot, it's the overall competency that's critical.

topcat74 said:

Hi, all.

A bit disappointed in my D850 compared with my Fuji Xt2 picture wise.

I am using a Tamron 24-70 f2.8 G2 and a Nikon 85 f1.8 D with the D850.

I have had the D850 for about a month now, a steep learning curve from the Xt2. I know the fault is me, but trying hard!

Maybe my choice of lenses for the Nikon?

I have the Fuji 56 f1.2 on the Xt2



which gives great results. As seen above.

I will persist!

Dave

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Very nice photo. Raw, jpg; more information please.

You cannot compare those cameras.

Regards

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Once upon a time, a girl with moonlight in her eyes

topcat74 said:

Hi, all.

A bit disappointed in my D850 compared with my Fuji Xt2 picture wise.

I am using a Tamron 24-70 f2.8 G2 and a Nikon 85 f1.8 D with the D850.

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Neither of these lenses are going to deliver what that camera is capable of delivering.

topcat74 said:

Maybe my choice of lenses for the Nikon?

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There are innumerable choices. I would suggest you consider the Tamron 85/1.8 VC, which I have heard good things about. Its aperture is about the same size as the lens you are using below, and both lenses cost about the same. The NIKKOR 85/1.8G is lighter and costs less than your Fuji equivalent.

topcat74 said:

I have the Fuji 56 f1.2 on the Xt2



which gives great results. As seen above.

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There's nothing wrong with sticking with what you were using.

topcat74 said:

I will persist!

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I'm not sure what your goal is here. If you want the best then buy the best -- get the NIKKOR 105/1.4E and the NIKKOR 200/2G and I'm sure they will blow you away.

Buying a D850 but cutting corners on the lenses is the opposite of how you should be approaching optimizing image quality.

I had the D850 and the XT2 and I have to say the 850 was better than the XT2 but the XT2 is a great camera. I have recently sold mine (XT2) and kept the X-H!.

You need good lenses with the 850, I sold my Nikon 28-70 that I'd had for years but on the 850 it wasn't pin sharp. I bought the Nikon 24-70 and that is superb.

So buying a D850 = more money on lenses.







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Pete Silver

topcat74 said:

Hi, all.

A bit disappointed in my D850 compared with my Fuji Xt2 picture wise.

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I haven't used either camera, but people do rave about Fuji colours. Their sensor array is fundamentally different to NIkon, but that's not to say settings and pp can't close any gaps.

topcat74 said:

I am using a Tamron 24-70 f2.8 G2 and a Nikon 85 f1.8 D with the D850.

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Both are decent lenses but pixel peepers may disagree. The resolution of your nikon will reveal any weaknesses, but only if you enlarge to huge sizes. For most viewing and any computer bases viewing of complete frames you won't reach the limits of either lens.

If shooting wide and bokeh is your thing, then check how cropped sensor apertures compare to full frame apertures. I think your cropped frame f1.2 should be roughly equivalent to full frame f1.4, but I don't know (must be close to that). Your fuji is giving slightly shallower dof when shooting wide. That will have some significance, though the difference isn't huge when comparing your nikon prime. The zoom, I don't know the spec and haven't seen results, the quality of bokeh does change from lens to lens, and this lens may not be great in that area.

Shooting at f2 on crop is equivalent to f2.8ff, so bokeh comparing your 56mm fuji to 79mm on your 24-70 levels the playing field. Spending more on a different 24-70 f2.8 isn't necessarily going to give you any advantage at all.

topcat74 said:

I have had the D850 for about a month now, a steep learning curve from the Xt2. I know the fault is me, but trying hard!

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Without more info it is difficult to surmise what your problem may be. Familiarity must be a factor. The way your hold your camera could be significant, after all, for me, the main difference between the two would be the physicality. Physicality, it does two ways. One is how it affects the way you handle the camera, the other is the way people react to it on the other side of the lens. Smaller cameras are less intimidating - take cameraphones, they're not at all intimidating. It alters how you connect with people.

topcat74 said:

Maybe my choice of lenses for the Nikon?

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It will play a part, but I'd need to see more samples of your disappointing results in order to comment. I don't see it as a major issue at this stage ...though you've only mentioned your 56mm fuji which does set the bar very high.

topcat74 said:

I have the Fuji 56 f1.2 on the Xt2



which gives great results. As seen above.

I will persist!

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Yup, best approach. if you expand on what your problems are, then I'm sure you'll get more helpful responses. They are both good cameras, but very different to handle.

topcat74 said:

Dave

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topcat74 said:

which gives great results. As seen above.

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Ignoring which camera was used; if you block out the bright window with your fingers the face instantly looks a little stronger.

A good "snapshot/record/ treasured moment" photo yes.

With the shadows on the left lightened and the window darkened I consider the picture would be a stronger portrait image.

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Leonard Shepherd
In lots of ways good photography is much more about how equipment is used rather than the equipment being used.

jkjond said:

If shooting wide and bokeh is your thing, then check how cropped sensor apertures compare to full frame apertures. I think your cropped frame f1.2 should be roughly equivalent to full frame f1.4, but I don't know (must be close to that).

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It's a simple formula. Take the focal length and divide it by the f-number:

56mm divided by 1.2 equals 46.67mm

85mm divided by 1.4 equals 60.7mm

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Your fuji is giving slightly shallower dof when shooting wide. That will have some significance, though the difference isn't huge when comparing your nikon prime.

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An 85mm f/1.8 is nearly identical.

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The zoom, I don't know the spec and haven't seen results, the quality of bokeh does change from lens to lens, and this lens may not be great in that area.

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I rather liked the original version of that Tamron, but I was after faster AF and otherwise am not interested this zoom range.

Some people just have no use for a beast of a camera that the D850 is, and if you find the XT-X enough, sell the D850 and buy good X glass.

The D850 is a whole other league:

1- 45mp vs 24mp

2- MUCH MUCH MUCH faster & more accurate AF especially on servo

3- Much more responsive camera and powers on instantly

4- No delay VF

5- Has FF shallow DOF

6- Shoots amazing 4K internally

7- Has a superior utilitarian ergonomic set-up with much more buttons & controls & top LCD

8- Has a proper grip

9- Better weather/dust sealing

10- Tougher body for impacts

11- Has a superior lens line up. As in siginificantly cheaper options and has lenses simply unavailable in Fuji land. Lets look at some

Fuji 10-24mm: 749$

Nikon 10-20mm: 299$ (24mp) or 16-35mm: 1000$ (45mp)

Fuji 16mm f/1.4: 749$

Nikon 24mm f/1.8: 359$

Fuji 23mm f/2: 449$

Nikon 35mm f/1.8: 200$

Fuji 35mm f/1.4: 599$

Nikon 50mm f/1.8: 100$

Fuji 56mm f/1.2: 749$

Nikon 85mm f/1.8D: 249$

Fuji 16-55mm f/2.8: 899$

Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8: 899$ (not even f/4 equi)

Fuji 80mm f/2.8: 899$

Nikon 105mm f/2.8: 820$

Tamron 105mm f/2.8: 650$

Ebrahim Saadawi said:

Some people just have no use for a beast of a camera that the D850 is, and if you find the XT-X enough, sell the D850 and buy good X glass.

The D850 is a whole other league:

1- 45mp vs 24mp

2- MUCH MUCH MUCH faster & more accurate AF especially on servo

3- Much more responsive camera and powers on instantly

4- No delay VF

5- Has FF shallow DOF

6- Shoots amazing 4K internally

7- Has a superior utilitarian ergonomic set-up with much more buttons & controls & top LCD

8- Has a proper grip

9- Better weather/dust sealing

10- Tougher body for impacts

11- Has a superior lens line up. As in siginificantly cheaper options and has lenses simply unavailable in Fuji land. Lets look at some

Fuji 10-24mm: 749$

Nikon 10-20mm: 299$ (24mp) or 16-35mm: 1000$ (45mp)

Fuji 16mm f/1.4: 749$

Nikon 24mm f/1.8: 359$

Fuji 23mm f/2: 449$

Nikon 35mm f/1.8: 200$

Fuji 35mm f/1.4: 599$

Nikon 50mm f/1.8: 100$

Fuji 56mm f/1.2: 749$

Nikon 85mm f/1.8D: 249$

Fuji 16-55mm f/2.8: 899$

Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8: 899$ (not even f/4 equi)

Fuji 80mm f/2.8: 899$

Nikon 105mm f/2.8: 820$

Tamron 105mm f/2.8: 650$

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I have learned that 45,7 Mpix rounds to 46 if you don’t want decimals

You are using one of the best lenses available, on your Fuji, and using lesser lenses on your D850. You are not being “fair” to the D850. Try an 85mm Milvus, or a premium portrait-length Nikkor, on the D850, for a “more fair” comparison. Or, do not. There is nothing wrong with preferring your Fuji camera and lens.

In the Eighties, when premium binoculars were my thing, and I had better than 20/20 vision, I learned that it is all about the optics. Well, today, that principle applies to my photography. I had a Zeiss 2/135 APO Sonnar, a Nikkor 200/2 VR, and an 85mm Otus, before I bought my D850.

In all kindness:

The Nikon D850 has the feature of ‘Picture Control’. (Digitor / D850 / Camera Functions Picture Control)

This Nikon unique Picture Control system lets you modify and share image processing settings, including sharpening, contrast, brightness, saturation, and hue, among compatible devices and software.

In addition to Nikon, there is the site ‘Nikon Picture Control Editor’ which offers +/- 112 picture controls. One can also edit one’s own picture controls.

These picture controls can be downloaded and up to 9 of these custom picture control presets can be loaded into the Nikon D850.

Matt Granger has a YouTube video explaining the process. (Get that ‘Film’ look with your Nikon DSLR).

Regards,

Geniet said:

In all kindness:

The Nikon D850 has the feature of ‘Picture Control’. (Digitor / D850 / Camera Functions Picture Control)

This Nikon unique Picture Control system lets you modify and share image processing settings, including sharpening, contrast, brightness, saturation, and hue, among compatible devices and software.

In addition to Nikon, there is the site ‘Nikon Picture Control Editor’ which offers +/- 112 picture controls. One can also edit one’s own picture controls.

These picture controls can be downloaded and up to 9 of these custom picture control presets can be loaded into the Nikon D850.

Matt Granger has a YouTube video explaining the process. (Get that ‘Film’ look with your Nikon DSLR).

Regards,

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Indeed when someone raves about the SOOC Jpegs from Canon or Fuji I reply with three words: Custom Picture Profiles!

If anyone cares about SOOC look, I beg you to customize a PP, or a Film Simulation as some cult members I know call it

Well you are using a lens known to have iffy bokeh and contrast that's 20 years old vs a modern 1000 dollar lens.

Fuji has better jpegs sure, but the Nikon d850 has far more potential, it's almost medium format with the right lenses.

I'm even thinking of getting a D800 as an additional camera now that prices are so low...

The jump from what I use now casually at 16mp to 36mp should be a lot. And I'd have to spend quite a bit to match the DOF with fuji 16mm 1.4, 35 1.4, 56 1.2, where I could just grab some used 28 50 85 G lenses that resolve a lot on Nikon...The Nikon lenses actually weigh a little less.

I've used some bigger fuji lenses, and now don't, b/c it kind of defeated the purpose of having a small mirrorless kit... so now I'm kind of in limbo...but thinking of picking up a Nikon or Canon full frame and some 1.8 lenses. to almost mirror my fuji setup...

So something like D800 with 28 50 85 as main kit. Or might do canon 28/50/100...haven't decided. To either will eventually add the 135 L or 135 DC ... I haven't seen anything in mirrorless land that can do that "look."

then fuji xe 2 with 18 27 60 as my travel/every day kit.

Sorry a little off track here but yeah... Nikon makes beast cameras, but Fuji's are also great...but I'm finding out if you want FF "look" on mirrorless you are back to big lenses again...and hits a threshold for me where I don't want to bring them out as often anyway.

I was out of FF and even all DSLR for awhile, but my my my have the prices dropped.

Thanks for all the interesting and informative replies!

The heading was meant to be a bit 'tongue in cheek'. I am very pleased with the D850 it blows the socks off the XT2 at increased iso's with regards to noise and the auto focus is great.

Having never used a DSLR before, it felt very strange not being able to see the exposure as on the Fuji and I think that was my biggest hurdle. Having got quite a few more clicks under my belt I am more confident now with getting the exposure right without constantly chimping, if that's the term.

The picture I posted was of my Grand Daughter, she was sitting in the armchair with an iPad on her knee, it lighting her face. She is holding a little ramekin bowl full of bran flakes which she is eating. She is giving me a disapproving look because I am photographing her!

I posted this photo not because it was a fine example of portraiture, but because it shows how clear and sharp it is around the eyes and the fine strands of hair, the Fuji 56mm f1.2 is a great lens! It was shot at iso 4000 f2.5 at 1/250.

Here is a shot of my Daughter using the Nikon and the 85mm 1.8D.









I realise I need better glass, so I am going to invest in the Nikon 105mm 1.4 afs E ED.

Regards

Dave

topcat74 said:

Thanks for all the interesting and informative replies!

The heading was meant to be a bit 'tongue in cheek'. I am very pleased with the D850 it blows the socks off the XT2 at increased iso's with regards to noise and the auto focus is great.

Having never used a DSLR before, it felt very strange not being able to see the exposure as on the Fuji and I think that was my biggest hurdle. Having got quite a few more clicks under my belt I am more confident now with getting the exposure right without constantly chimping, if that's the term.

The picture I posted was of my Grand Daughter, she was sitting in the armchair with an iPad on her knee, it lighting her face. She is holding a little ramekin bowl full of bran flakes which she is eating. She is giving me a disapproving look because I am photographing her!

I posted this photo not because it was a fine example of portraiture, but because it shows how clear and sharp it is around the eyes and the fine strands of hair, the Fuji 56mm f1.2 is a great lens! It was shot at iso 4000 f2.5 at 1/250.

Here is a shot of my Daughter using the Nikon and the 85mm 1.8D.



I realise I need better glass, so I am going to invest in the Nikon 105mm 1.4 afs E ED.

Regards

Dave

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Sigma my friend, Sigma. The 85mm Art is great.



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Once upon a time, a girl with moonlight in her eyes

jkjond said:

Both are decent lenses but pixel peepers may disagree.
The resolution of your nikon will reveal any weaknesses,
but only if you enlarge to huge sizes. For most viewing
and any computer bases viewing of complete frames
you won't reach the limits of either lens.

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There is no such thing as a limits of a lens.

It is true that a good camera will reveal weaknesses of a lens.

However, it is also true that a D850 will always give better and more detailed images from a mediocre lens than the same lens would on a D7200, D610 or D750 which all have lower resolution in their files. This is simply because of the greater amount of information in the larger image file, which translates into a more detailed image with any lens.

Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway

topcat74 said:

Hi, all.

A bit disappointed in my D850 compared with my Fuji Xt2 picture wise.

I am using a Tamron 24-70 f2.8 G2 and a Nikon 85 f1.8 D with the D850.

I have had the D850 for about a month now, a steep learning curve from the Xt2. I know the fault is me, but trying hard!

Maybe my choice of lenses for the Nikon?

I have the Fuji 56 f1.2 on the Xt2



which gives great results. As seen above.

I will persist!

Dave

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I think Tamron 24-70 f2.8 G2 and a Nikon 85 f1.8 D are middle grade lens. To get better with D850, you need Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR or Nikon 105mm f/1.4E ED.

See my last post

Just bought the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR.

Brilliant!

Dave