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OK.. Enough. I love my Canon 7D MkI and 100-400 MkI but its time. I've been patiently waiting for the 7D MKIII but who knows if that will ever come. So... If you were to add/replace one item to this bag what would you do?

Canon 7D MKII
Canon 100-400 MKII
used Canon 600mm MKII, MKII
used Canon 500mm??

..a 5D??

I mainly shoot wildlife and in particular songbirds. Fast shutter, low light, and reach is essential.

Thanks,
Greg
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OK.. Enough. I love my Canon 7D MkI and 100-400 MkI but its time. I've been patiently waiting for the 7D MKIII but who knows if that will ever come. So... If you were to add/replace one item to this bag what would you do?

Canon 7D MKII
Canon 100-400 MKII
used Canon 600mm MKII, MKII
used Canon 500mm??

..a 5D??

I mainly shoot wildlife and in particular songbirds. Fast shutter, low light, and reach is essential.
I shot with a Canon 7D MkI and 100-400mm Mk1 for about 5 years. I now shoot entirely with M4/3 gear for weight/size reasons. I shoot a lot of wildlife but I have never been tempted to go for a 500mm or 600mm lens because of the weight/cost, so I am not really qualified to comment on your lens options.

Under normal circumstances I would suggest upgrading to the 7D MkII on the basis that that would probably give you the greatest improvement. The 7D MkI is now 10 years old and there have been very significant changes in sensor technology in that time. I would expect modern APS-C sensors to be at least 1 stop better in terms of high ISO noise.

However, the situation is extremely complicated at the present time because of the changeover to mirrorless. Here is my personal summary of the current situation for wildlife bodies.
  • For professional purposes the top two wildlife bodies are undoubtedly the Canon 1DXii and the Nikon D5 because of their ruggedness, reliability and choice of lenses.
  • The Nikon D500 is the best APS-C DSLR for wildlife with significantly better AF than the 7Dii (and possibly better than the 1DXii and D5?).
  • The top mirrorless wildlife bodies like the Sony A9, Fujifilm XT2, Olympus E-M1X and Panasonic G9 have significantly faster fps rates than even the 1DXii and D5, have totally silent shooting and have many other functions suitable for wildlife than DSLRs simply do not have. I can go into some of those if you want me to. However, they do not have the lens selections that Nikon and Canon DSLRs and probably never will.
  • No mirrorless bodies have yet reached the continuous AF capability of the D500 but they are getting close. Moreover, object tracking technology is improving rapidly, especially Sony's, and I personally expect the next generation of mirrorless bodies to have better AF than any DSLR.
  • Neither Canon nor Nikon has yet released a body aimed at wildlife/sports photographers (but maybe they will before the Tokyo Olympics next year). The Z6/7 and Canon R and RP bodies have poor high speed shooting rates and relatively poor AF. However, they do appear to work well with Canon/Nikon DSLR lenses and an adapter. So, IMHO, both Canon and Nikon have the capability to produce a top class wildlife/sports mirrorless body in the next couple of years.
So, my suggestion is that you wait until Canon announces their pro quality mirrorless body. In the meantime you could consider getting a used 7Dii and spending the rest of your money on one of your lens options.

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Chris R
 
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OK.. Enough. I love my Canon 7D MkI and 100-400 MkI but its time. I've been patiently waiting for the 7D MKIII but who knows if that will ever come. So... If you were to add/replace one item to this bag what would you do?
wait or get a lens
Canon 7D MKII
I dunno. IS the 15% refurb sale still active in the USA? This would be an improvement but the price has been artificially high at times recently
Canon 100-400 MKII
maybe. This would give you a host of improvements right now
used Canon 600mm MKII, MKII
used Canon 500mm??
same as above
no. Look below
I mainly shoot wildlife and in particular songbirds. Fast shutter, low light, and reach is essential.
the 5d(any model) isn't really the best body for your pursuits
 
I would add the RP. to have the lowest cost to get used to mirrorless advantages.
 
I have shot dslr Canon apsc, than Sony a7ii. Would you suggest mft instead of the big old dslr or ff mirror less.

The problem with the Sony I had (till it broke) was never liked ergos and a long range lens was just too expensive for nature photography.!

Would op miss ff if went with mft?
 
OK.. Enough. I love my Canon 7D MkI and 100-400 MkI but its time. I've been patiently waiting for the 7D MKIII but who knows if that will ever come. So... If you were to add/replace one item to this bag what would you do?

Canon 7D MKII
Canon 100-400 MKII
used Canon 600mm MKII, MKII
used Canon 500mm??

..a 5D??

I mainly shoot wildlife and in particular songbirds. Fast shutter, low light, and reach is essential.

Thanks,
the 500 and 600mm f/4 may not fit into the bag (size and budget)

I'll vote Sigma 150-600 "C" for the birds but if you have the budget why not a 600 f/4

www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless
 
I have shot dslr Canon apsc, than Sony a7ii. Would you suggest mft instead of the big old dslr or ff mirror less.

The problem with the Sony I had (till it broke) was never liked ergos and a long range lens was just too expensive for nature photography.!

Would op miss ff if went with mft?
MFT v FF is pretty simple: FF has two stops better ISO and better depth of field control. MFT has smaller, cheaper lenses. So it depends on what you want to photograph and what your priorities are.

The longer the lenses you are currently shooting with, the greater the savings in both cost and weight you get with M4/3. However, if you try to compensate for M4/3's low light and depth of field disadvantages by going for faster lenses, then M4/3 lenses get big and expensive as well.

However, M4/3 does have quite a good selection of long focal length lenses at different price ranges.

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Chris R
 
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OK.. Enough. I love my Canon 7D MkI and 100-400 MkI but its time. I've been patiently waiting for the 7D MKIII but who knows if that will ever come. So... If you were to add/replace one item to this bag what would you do?

Canon 7D MKII
Canon 100-400 MKII
used Canon 600mm MKII, MKII
used Canon 500mm??

..a 5D??

I mainly shoot wildlife and in particular songbirds. Fast shutter, low light, and reach is essential.
I shot with a Canon 7D MkI and 100-400mm Mk1 for about 5 years. I now shoot entirely with M4/3 gear for weight/size reasons. I shoot a lot of wildlife but I have never been tempted to go for a 500mm or 600mm lens because of the weight/cost, so I am not really qualified to comment on your lens options.

Under normal circumstances I would suggest upgrading to the 7D MkII on the basis that that would probably give you the greatest improvement. The 7D MkI is now 10 years old and there have been very significant changes in sensor technology in that time. I would expect modern APS-C sensors to be at least 1 stop better in terms of high ISO noise.

However, the situation is extremely complicated at the present time because of the changeover to mirrorless. Here is my personal summary of the current situation for wildlife bodies.
  • For professional purposes the top two wildlife bodies are undoubtedly the Canon 1DXii and the Nikon D5 because of their ruggedness, reliability and choice of lenses.
  • The Nikon D500 is the best APS-C DSLR for wildlife with significantly better AF than the 7Dii (and possibly better than the 1DXii and D5?).
  • The top mirrorless wildlife bodies like the Sony A9, Fujifilm XT2, Olympus E-M1X and Panasonic G9 have significantly faster fps rates than even the 1DXii and D5, have totally silent shooting and have many other functions suitable for wildlife than DSLRs simply do not have. I can go into some of those if you want me to. However, they do not have the lens selections that Nikon and Canon DSLRs and probably never will.
  • No mirrorless bodies have yet reached the continuous AF capability of the D500 but they are getting close. Moreover, object tracking technology is improving rapidly, especially Sony's, and I personally expect the next generation of mirrorless bodies to have better AF than any DSLR.
  • Neither Canon nor Nikon has yet released a body aimed at wildlife/sports photographers (but maybe they will before the Tokyo Olympics next year). The Z6/7 and Canon R and RP bodies have poor high speed shooting rates and relatively poor AF. However, they do appear to work well with Canon/Nikon DSLR lenses and an adapter. So, IMHO, both Canon and Nikon have the capability to produce a top class wildlife/sports mirrorless body in the next couple of years.
So, my suggestion is that you wait until Canon announces their pro quality mirrorless body. In the meantime you could consider getting a used 7Dii and spending the rest of your money on one of your lens options.
 
OK.. Enough. I love my Canon 7D MkI and 100-400 MkI but its time. I've been patiently waiting for the 7D MKIII but who knows if that will ever come. So... If you were to add/replace one item to this bag what would you do?

Canon 7D MKII
Canon 100-400 MKII
used Canon 600mm MKII, MKII
used Canon 500mm??

..a 5D??

I mainly shoot wildlife and in particular songbirds. Fast shutter, low light, and reach is essential.
I shot with a Canon 7D MkI and 100-400mm Mk1 for about 5 years. I now shoot entirely with M4/3 gear for weight/size reasons. I shoot a lot of wildlife but I have never been tempted to go for a 500mm or 600mm lens because of the weight/cost, so I am not really qualified to comment on your lens options.

Under normal circumstances I would suggest upgrading to the 7D MkII on the basis that that would probably give you the greatest improvement. The 7D MkI is now 10 years old and there have been very significant changes in sensor technology in that time. I would expect modern APS-C sensors to be at least 1 stop better in terms of high ISO noise.

However, the situation is extremely complicated at the present time because of the changeover to mirrorless. Here is my personal summary of the current situation for wildlife bodies.
  • For professional purposes the top two wildlife bodies are undoubtedly the Canon 1DXii and the Nikon D5 because of their ruggedness, reliability and choice of lenses.
  • The Nikon D500 is the best APS-C DSLR for wildlife with significantly better AF than the 7Dii (and possibly better than the 1DXii and D5?).
  • The top mirrorless wildlife bodies like the Sony A9, Fujifilm XT2, Olympus E-M1X and Panasonic G9 have significantly faster fps rates than even the 1DXii and D5, have totally silent shooting and have many other functions suitable for wildlife than DSLRs simply do not have. I can go into some of those if you want me to. However, they do not have the lens selections that Nikon and Canon DSLRs and probably never will.
  • No mirrorless bodies have yet reached the continuous AF capability of the D500 but they are getting close. Moreover, object tracking technology is improving rapidly, especially Sony's, and I personally expect the next generation of mirrorless bodies to have better AF than any DSLR.
  • Neither Canon nor Nikon has yet released a body aimed at wildlife/sports photographers (but maybe they will before the Tokyo Olympics next year). The Z6/7 and Canon R and RP bodies have poor high speed shooting rates and relatively poor AF. However, they do appear to work well with Canon/Nikon DSLR lenses and an adapter. So, IMHO, both Canon and Nikon have the capability to produce a top class wildlife/sports mirrorless body in the next couple of years.
So, my suggestion is that you wait until Canon announces their pro quality mirrorless body. In the meantime you could consider getting a used 7Dii and spending the rest of your money on one of your lens options.
If you read Thom Hogan, the z6 and z7 have good rapid shooting capability (the z6 can do 12 fps) They have solid autofocus. The only real issue is that the viewfinder will cycle on and off rapidly with each frame, and this can make tracking a subject more difficult. But you'd need to go to a D850 to beat it.
I seem to remember that the Nikon J5 from 2015 had full AF-C at 20 fps and maintained Liveview with no blackout.

I think that Nikon is going to be able to produce a much better sports/wildlife Z mount camera than the Z6 which is the real reason that I am suggesting waiting a bit longer.
 

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