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Dan Frederiksen · Oct 1, 2003

Many are getting their 300D which is good but the first thing you should remember to do when you get it is shift to setting 2 in the camera.

The default is setting 1 which gives over saturated over contrasted images that is catchy to the untrained eye but ultimately a much worse image.

It seems all camera manufacturers do this to sell more cameras because at first glance the image looks more vivid but a lot is lost.

Use setting 2 and never go back

setting 2 is also the default in Canon 10D which is meant for the professionals which hopefully doesn't fall for fools gold.

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Mark Marshall · Oct 1, 2003

I don't dispute your advice at all, but remember those "catchy" images are mostly for friends and family at the outset - and it's the "ooohs" and "aaahs" of those people that many new owners are going for (at least at first). I have read countless whines of "if I knew I had to post process.." etc., so please - don't make it worse than it already is. Let them satisfy their own eye first, then they will become more discriminating over time. FWIW - I desatted a pic that was remarked here as too intense, and my wife and stepson both complained that it didn't look accurate anymore, so sometimes you can't win anyway. ~ m²

Dan Frederiksen said:
Many are getting their 300D which is good but the first thing you
should remember to do when you get it is shift to setting 2 in the
camera.

The default is setting 1 which gives over saturated over contrasted
images that is catchy to the untrained eye but ultimately a much
worse image.

It seems all camera manufacturers do this to sell more cameras
because at first glance the image looks more vivid but a lot is
lost.

Use setting 2 and never go back
setting 2 is also the default in Canon 10D which is meant for the
professionals which hopefully doesn't fall for fools gold.

(this advertisement was paid for by the people for better images) : )

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'Brothers and sisters, we've learned that there's some bad bokeh going around out there. So like, just be careful man, alright?' (If Wavy Gravy emceed PMA)

Matt Rupert · Oct 1, 2003

Mark Marshall said:
Dan Frederiksen said:

Many are getting their 300D which is good but the first thing you
should remember to do when you get it is shift to setting 2 in the
camera.

The default is setting 1 which gives over saturated over contrasted
images that is catchy to the untrained eye but ultimately a much
worse image.

It seems all camera manufacturers do this to sell more cameras
because at first glance the image looks more vivid but a lot is
lost.

Use setting 2 and never go back
setting 2 is also the default in Canon 10D which is meant for the
professionals which hopefully doesn't fall for fools gold.

(this advertisement was paid for by the people for better images) : )

Click to expand...

--
'Brothers and sisters, we've learned that there's some bad bokeh
going around out there. So like, just be careful man, alright?'
(If Wavy Gravy emceed PMA)

Post-processing is the funnest part!

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JimmieD · Oct 1, 2003

Dan,

I've switched over to Parameter 2 and am not looking back. But isn't it funny that so many who are complaining about this camera are actually saying that Parameter 1 is not processed enough. They want more sharpening and more saturation. I think somewhere along the line, the average consumer started believing that over saturation, over contrast, and over sharpening was preferrable to capturing a scene as it looks in the natural world. I for one am thankful that Canon did not go the route of Sony and allows the photographer to be in control.
JimmieD

Dan Frederiksen said:
Many are getting their 300D which is good but the first thing you
should remember to do when you get it is shift to setting 2 in the
camera.

The default is setting 1 which gives over saturated over contrasted
images that is catchy to the untrained eye but ultimately a much
worse image.

It seems all camera manufacturers do this to sell more cameras
because at first glance the image looks more vivid but a lot is
lost.

Use setting 2 and never go back
setting 2 is also the default in Canon 10D which is meant for the
professionals which hopefully doesn't fall for fools gold.

(this advertisement was paid for by the people for better images) : )

Dan Frederiksen · Oct 1, 2003

Mark Marshall said:
I don't dispute your advice at all, but remember those "catchy"
images are mostly for friends and family at the outset - and it's
the "ooohs" and "aaahs" of those people that many new owners are
going for (at least at first). I have read countless whines of "if
I knew I had to post process.." etc., so please - don't make it
worse than it already is. Let them satisfy their own eye first,

you assume people will eventually get it themselves.
Why not get it right away and not waste any time on the deception mode.

And there is something to be said about bringing home real gold even if it doens't get as many oooh and ahh as the fools gold

And no, no post processing is really necessary with setting 2. Trying to make it look like fools gold again is certainly not.

Dan Frederiksen · Oct 1, 2003

JimmieD said:
Dan,
I've switched over to Parameter 2 and am not looking back. But
isn't it funny that so many who are complaining about this camera
are actually saying that Parameter 1 is not processed enough. They
want more sharpening and more saturation. I think somewhere along
the line, the average consumer started believing that over
saturation, over contrast, and over sharpening was preferrable to
capturing a scene as it looks in the natural world. I for one am
thankful that Canon did not go the route of Sony and allows the
photographer to be in control.
JimmieD

It is curious yes but a little sad too. And the corporations go with the lowest common denominator becuase it sells so no help there.

Only reason there even is a setting 2 in the 300D is that they know too many savvy people wouldn't buy the POS otherwise : )

nathan vaksman · Oct 1, 2003

Dan Frederiksen said:
JimmieD said:

Dan,
I've switched over to Parameter 2 and am not looking back. But
isn't it funny that so many who are complaining about this camera
are actually saying that Parameter 1 is not processed enough. They
want more sharpening and more saturation. I think somewhere along
the line, the average consumer started believing that over
saturation, over contrast, and over sharpening was preferrable to
capturing a scene as it looks in the natural world. I for one am
thankful that Canon did not go the route of Sony and allows the
photographer to be in control.
JimmieD

Click to expand...

It is curious yes but a little sad too. And the corporations go
with the lowest common denominator becuase it sells so no help
there.
Only reason there even is a setting 2 in the 300D is that they know
too many savvy people wouldn't buy the POS otherwise : )

Does it help with flash issue?

--
Nate

Steve Fink · Oct 1, 2003

Dan,

I understand you part of the fence that you are on with you initial post. But then I got to this message and saw a couple of double-negatives and got confused. especially the last paragraph. Please re-explain what you mean.

Steve

Dan Frederiksen said:
you assume people will eventually get it themselves.
Why not get it right away and not waste any time on the deception
mode.

And there is something to be said about bringing home real gold
even if it doens't get as many oooh and ahh as the fools gold

And no, no post processing is really necessary with setting 2.
Trying to make it look like fools gold again is certainly not.

Juli Valley · Oct 1, 2003

I agree. In particular, people who are coming from Sony cameras really get hooked on a lot of saturation. The Canon cameras give you a more true image of reality. If you like more saturation, you can get it through PS.

nathan vaksman · Oct 1, 2003

Dan Frederiksen said:
Many are getting their 300D which is good but the first thing you
should remember to do when you get it is shift to setting 2 in the
camera.

The default is setting 1 which gives over saturated over contrasted
images that is catchy to the untrained eye but ultimately a much
worse image.

It seems all camera manufacturers do this to sell more cameras
because at first glance the image looks more vivid but a lot is
lost.

Use setting 2 and never go back
setting 2 is also the default in Canon 10D which is meant for the
professionals which hopefully doesn't fall for fools gold.

(this advertisement was paid for by the people for better images) : )

wiil it help with flash uderexposure?
--
Nate

Martin Eager · Oct 1, 2003

Don't forget Canon have provided three custom parameters which you can fill with your own settings. So if you don't like the presets, create your own.

And if you're not yet sure what parameters work best for you, shoot raw and experiment during post processing, so that you know what custom parameter to set up for whenever you shoot JPEG.

Cheers
Martin
http://photos.runic.com

MikeD · Oct 1, 2003

Dan,

Yes, I fully understand the differences in the parameter settings, but Canon put para 1 in as a default for the target market. They kept the incamera processing out as default on the 10D again due to the target market. Why don't you just leave it to the user, like Canon does. At least they give the user a choice and in doing so will even capture some Sony users.

I enjoy my 300D in both modes, but I must say that I've had more success selling over-processed photos than truly accurate ones - depends on the shoot. Weddings are different than a group football team shot, for example.

So, go your own way, and express your opinion as you wish. Just leave the rest of us to photograph as we see fit.

Mike

Dan Frederiksen said:
Many are getting their 300D which is good but the first thing you
should remember to do when you get it is shift to setting 2 in the
camera.

The default is setting 1 which gives over saturated over contrasted
images that is catchy to the untrained eye but ultimately a much
worse image.

It seems all camera manufacturers do this to sell more cameras
because at first glance the image looks more vivid but a lot is
lost.

Use setting 2 and never go back
setting 2 is also the default in Canon 10D which is meant for the
professionals which hopefully doesn't fall for fools gold.

(this advertisement was paid for by the people for better images) : )

Hannu Eskelinen · Oct 1, 2003

Dan Frederiksen said:
Many are getting their 300D which is good but the first thing you
should remember to do when you get it is shift to setting 2 in the
camera.

The default is setting 1 which gives over saturated over contrasted
images that is catchy to the untrained eye but ultimately a much
worse image.

It seems all camera manufacturers do this to sell more cameras
because at first glance the image looks more vivid but a lot is
lost.

Use setting 2 and never go back
setting 2 is also the default in Canon 10D which is meant for the
professionals which hopefully doesn't fall for fools gold.

(this advertisement was paid for by the people for better images) : )

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I did this as first adjusment to this plastic thing. Unless you dont want noisy pictures, you should do it.

Steve Fink · Oct 1, 2003

Plus you make good suggestion as to testing different options. I've begun my testing myself and already have formed opinions of certain options NOT to use. It's probably best to know you camera comppletely, even if you will never you a particular feature again.

Steve

MikeD said:
Dan,

Yes, I fully understand the differences in the parameter settings,
but Canon put para 1 in as a default for the target market. They
kept the incamera processing out as default on the 10D again due to
the target market. Why don't you just leave it to the user, like
Canon does. At least they give the user a choice and in doing so
will even capture some Sony users.

I enjoy my 300D in both modes, but I must say that I've had more
success selling over-processed photos than truly accurate ones -
depends on the shoot. Weddings are different than a group football
team shot, for example.

So, go your own way, and express your opinion as you wish. Just
leave the rest of us to photograph as we see fit.

Mike

cle · Oct 1, 2003

So...photographers who use filters are deceptive... Women who wear make-up are deceptive...and so on and so forth...

JimmieD · Oct 1, 2003

Nobody said anything about deception...it's about control. If you buy a Sony camera, you give up control because the camera does all the post processing regardless of your tastes. The message of this thread is that all that in-camera processing results in lost data. If you want all that processing, Canon gives you a way. If you don't, again Canon let's you be in control.
JimmieD

cle said:
So...photographers who use filters are deceptive... Women who wear
make-up are deceptive...and so on and so forth...

tom. · Oct 1, 2003

What about pictures used in different sport-magazines?, I feel most of them are "catchy" with high degree of saturation etc., with for instance a much darker blue sky than in real. Even I know that the colours in such pictures are exaggerated, I like them, and I believe many other people find them attractive too.

pgb · Oct 2, 2003

tom. said:
You either sharpen them in camera or in post,

it all depends how the user wants to use the
camera and how much time they are willing to invest.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

David Waelder · Oct 2, 2003

I agree with this.

I've had the camera for 5 days now and I switched to RAW (even though Canon software is not the best around) so I can really control how the picture is going to look like. Great post processing results with a little experimenting...

Regards,

David.

Martin Eager said:
Don't forget Canon have provided three custom parameters which you
can fill with your own settings. So if you don't like the presets,
create your own.

And if you're not yet sure what parameters work best for you, shoot
raw and experiment during post processing, so that you know what
custom parameter to set up for whenever you shoot JPEG.

Cheers
Martin
http://photos.runic.com

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Isabel Cutler · Oct 2, 2003

When I bought my 717 I was expecting the bright colors that the 707 had (without the blasted reds)...I was disappointed. They had seriously cut back on the saturation.
Isabel

Juli Valley said:
I agree. In particular, people who are coming from Sony cameras
really get hooked on a lot of saturation. The Canon cameras give
you a more true image of reality. If you like more saturation, you
can get it through PS.

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