Any early adopters of the Z6 can you help me decide

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Hello everyone not posted here for a good time but am looking to buy a Z6 for use as travel camera but i keep seeing some of the negative comments about autofocus capture,also problems with grips wearing quickly and questions about sensor cleaning due to the delicate ibis mechanism.

will the new firmware update sort the focus problem out or not. we will not know until implemented

Could any early adopters please give me their impressions of these problems,are the blown out of proportion and are they happy with their purchase.Would it me better to try to be patient and let the system mature over a few years ,thanks for your help in advance.

Just to be clear i am not a troll ,I have used nikon cameras for years and very pleased with the Nikon dslr range but attracted to more compact systems,so please dont flame me.
 
Hello everyone not posted here for a good time but am looking to buy a Z6 for use as travel camera but i keep seeing some of the negative comments about autofocus capture,also problems with grips wearing quickly and questions about sensor cleaning due to the delicate ibis mechanism.

will the new firmware update sort the focus problem out or not. we will not know until implemented

Could any early adopters please give me their impressions of these problems,are the blown out of proportion and are they happy with their purchase.Would it me better to try to be patient and let the system mature over a few years ,thanks for your help in advance.

Just to be clear i am not a troll ,I have used nikon cameras for years and very pleased with the Nikon dslr range but attracted to more compact systems,so please dont flame me.
Yes, it's easy. I've had no trace of grip wearing or sensor dirt. Focus is better than any of my previous Nikon DSLRs because I like the clear focus point display, speed, quietness and full coverage. I travel with it more than any prior DSLR, because the Z6 & 24-70 is light, discrete and quiet. IBIS also broadens the low light travel photos I can take without worrying about shadow noise at dusk or in the evenings. For travel the USB charging is a bonus too.
 
As far as the Z goes--I shot a D750 for a long time and considered the best all arounder out there at the time and maybe still now considering cost.

I am not a scientist or a pixel peeper and has always operated with the concept that there is NOT one do it all camera or lens.

That said--When I open the photos from the Z6 and any S lens, I see great color, contrast and detail better than I have saw with my prior setup. Its a pleasure to shoot and it takes damn good pictures. That is enough for me. I feel I have to raise my game to catch up with its ability. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I have spent some serious money to trade systems ( all intra Nikon ) but if somebody said I'll give you your money and old system back, I would say NO THANKS. I am all in to the Z system.

The only "issues" I have had with the camera are adjusting to shooting a mirrorless body vs a DSLR. There is a learning "curve" and I would advise buying a good book to ease the way.

There are so many positives , especially for travel, the time spent adjusting to it is well worth the effort.

You can wait for it to mature or get a bit cheaper BUT in the meantime you have lost many oppurtunities to have fun shooting with great results.

ps. the EVF and S lenses are game changers IMHO. I have one of the very first batch of Z6s and the camera has been flawless.
 
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Hello everyone not posted here for a good time but am looking to buy a Z6 for use as travel camera but i keep seeing some of the negative comments about autofocus capture,also problems with grips wearing quickly and questions about sensor cleaning due to the delicate ibis mechanism.
The Z6 is my First Nikon camera i ever had and I'm really impressed with it, aside from the lens size. My grip is "shedding" in areas, but I'm not crying about it, you use it, it wears.

I don't have any issues with AF and havent encountered cleaning the sensor, but to be honest, I never had to clean any sensor from any of my cameras, so it's not a problem for me, yet.

So far, so good. This is the internet, where people come to complain and nitpick. Go to your local camera store, hold one, take a few shots. Make your own decisions, don't let the internet make it for you.
will the new firmware update sort the focus problem out or not. we will not know until implemented

Could any early adopters please give me their impressions of these problems,are the blown out of proportion and are they happy with their purchase.Would it me better to try to be patient and let the system mature over a few years ,thanks for your help in advance.

Just to be clear i am not a troll ,I have used nikon cameras for years and very pleased with the Nikon dslr range but attracted to more compact systems,so please dont flame me.
 
Hello everyone not posted here for a good time but am looking to buy a Z6 for use as travel camera but i keep seeing some of the negative comments about autofocus capture,also problems with grips wearing quickly and questions about sensor cleaning due to the delicate ibis mechanism.

will the new firmware update sort the focus problem out or not. we will not know until implemented

Could any early adopters please give me their impressions of these problems,are the blown out of proportion and are they happy with their purchase.Would it me better to try to be patient and let the system mature over a few years ,thanks for your help in advance.

Just to be clear i am not a troll ,I have used nikon cameras for years and very pleased with the Nikon dslr range but attracted to more compact systems,so please dont flame me.
I bought the Z7 in December to use as a light weight, high quality, kit for travel, hiking and landscapes. I like it a lot. Have used it hiking in Hawaii and on a trip to Boston, as well as using it around the neighborhood to get to know it better. I will be using it this week hiking in Utah.

The autofocus performance is very good (I am assuming here that autofocus on the Z6 is similar to the autofocus on my Z7). Indeed, autofocus on the Z7 is in some ways better than autofocus on my D500 and D850 -- more autofocus points across the entire frame; little or no need for focus tuning; a pinpoint area mode in AF-S that gives a smaller, more precise, focus point sensor; and all the sensors seem to work with f8 lenses (e.g., an f5.6 lens with a 1.4 TC on it). I have been quite pleased with the autofocus results so far. And I hope it will get better with the promised firmware update.

If you want to shoot birds in flight or other fast action, the latest DSLRs are likely better for autofocus. I have kept my D500 and D850 for wildlife work -- I like to photograph birds, including in flight. But even here, the Z7 is not bad. While I did not buy it thinking of it as a camera for wildlife work, I have tried it for some bird shooting around the neighborhood and in a local wildlife refuge. I thought the performance was decent and better than I expected given all the internet chatter.

The Z mount lenses are also quite good. Better, I think, (so far) than comparable F mount lenses. I have the 24-70 f4, which is best bought as part of a kit for price. I also picked up the 35 and 50 mm 1.8 S lenses and like them a lot, although I find myself mostly using the 24-70 when travelling. Have pre-ordered the 14-30 which should also be good for travel and landscapes.

My F mount lenses work nicely on the Z7 when using the FTZ adapter. I have liked the 70-300 AF-P FX on the Z7. Nice range and balances pretty well on a Z body. A nice light weight telephoto for hiking and travel.

I have not had any issues so far with dust on the sensor or rubber on the body. But have only had the camera since late December.

There are some differences between Nikon DSLRs and the Zs. I found Thom Hogan's ebook on the Z6&7 to be quite helpful.
 
I’ve had my Z6 for about 5-6 weeks now and took it on a 7-Day Caribbean cruise 2 weeks ago. I’ve owned the D300, D600, and the D500 and prefer the Z6 to them all. No problems at all with the grip or sensor dust and nothing about the autofocus that concerns me. I’d say shooting inside the ship with high ISO was more satisfying than any previous camera I’ve owned

Since you specifically mentioned travel I’d suggest the Z6 + 14-30S + 24-70S + 70-300P makes an ideal travel kit. That requires the FTZ of course (possibly free w/ purchase soon). I’m waiting on the 14-30S but so far I’m very pleased with the Z6 + 24-70S and the 70-300P. No regrets at all with this purchase.

Currently there’s a $200 trade allowance on the Z6 ($400 on the Z7) with $100 off the FTZ with Z purchase. There’s also rumors of a future free FTZ offer; see below:

 
No problems with my Z6 + 24-70 f4 S. I don't think there's any particular problem re sensor cleaning relative to other cameras; the IBIS is locked when the camera is off. The sensor is fairly exposed but that means it's easier to get at.
 
This is a great travel camera. I have a D850, D810, and D800e. Focus and overall "response" is quicker with the 850, but focus is a little surer with the Z6. Pleasure to use, excellent low-light, the 24-70 F4 is razor sharp.
 
I'll join the chorus. I love the camera; no issues with grip wear (which likely depends in part how you grab the camera). Haven't needed to clean the sensor yet, but I hardly ever use a smaller f-stop than f8 so not a situation that generally shows dust.

Regarding travel, my Nikon V3 and lens kit has some size advantages (especially for very wide angle and telephoto), but there's no question that IQ is significantly better with my Z6 especially in less that ideal light. So I've been more inclined to take the Z6 and lenses when travelling.
 
I have purchased a Nikon Z6 with 24-70 S to substitute a Sony A7Rii because I was tired of the bad battery life and frustating slow startup + interface (no touch functionality in the menus).

I am completely satisfied about the switch.

I DO NOT SEE AF SPEED DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SONY A7RII AND NIKON Z6 IN GOOD TO MODERATE LOW LIGHT BUT DO NOT HAVE EXTENSIVELY TESTED FOR THIS ASPECT. I shoot also a lot during travel.

The level of customisation on the picture styles is fantastic with the Nikon Z6...this is a big + surprise.
 
Hello everyone not posted here for a good time but am looking to buy a Z6 for use as travel camera but i keep seeing some of the negative comments about autofocus capture,also problems with grips wearing quickly and questions about sensor cleaning due to the delicate ibis mechanism.

will the new firmware update sort the focus problem out or not. we will not know until implemented

Could any early adopters please give me their impressions of these problems,are the blown out of proportion and are they happy with their purchase.Would it me better to try to be patient and let the system mature over a few years ,thanks for your help in advance.

Just to be clear i am not a troll ,I have used nikon cameras for years and very pleased with the Nikon dslr range but attracted to more compact systems,so please dont flame me.
Got my first Z6 on November 20th 2018, very shortly after it became available. Main reasons for getting one were the Silent Shutter and Focus Peaking options

I have shot dance in the past, and plan to do so more in future, and always found the loud clicking shutter and mirror slapping sounds of a DSLR during a performance very intrusive

On the other hand I still have and regularly use old(er) manual focus AI and Ais lenses. Previously had bought a DF for that purpose, ut although that body handled manual focus better then my D800 and D3, still wasn't really as intuitive as in the days of my f2AS with a split screen focusing screen

Have used both options on my D850, but didn't like the implementation of them - only in Live View - on that body

Based on the reports on the Z7's supposedly flawed AF (bad low light/low contrast AF, AF problems with backlighting, flawed AF tracking, handicapped/limited AF settings compared to the latest Nikon DSLR's) my expectations for the Z6 were very low in that regard, but as explained above weren't the main consideration I got it nevertheless

Of course a new camera should always be rigorously put to the test to see not onlyn what it's capable of, but in particular what not. My preferred subject for that purpose is shooting catwalk, since that as a rule that means fast moving subjects/models, and only too often bad or at least challenging lighting conditions

I fortunately found one only a few weeks later

While the venue - the Lichthal of the Tropenmuseum in Amsterdam - is IMO quite beautiful in itself, from a lighting point of view conditions a bit of a mess : apart from two spot lights at the nearest end of the catwalk, very little additional stage light for the furthest and mid sections, and large windows in the rear behind the furthest end of the catwalk ( = backlighting)

The AF to my pleasant surprised the fast moving models very well, even on the lesser illuminated parts of the catwalk And while the backlighting did result in some images to indeed be out of focus, those were a mere handful of the nearly 1000 shots I took https://pbase.com/paul_k/20181209_mafb_tropenfest

I in particular was pleased with the pictures since I intentionally had used a 2/200 VRI lens, practically wide open at just f3.2

The results were such that I got a 2nd Z6 within only a few days later (on December 13th), although admittedly also because in that period the Z6/FTZ package not only was offered at a lower introduction price, but in the Netherlands also came with a free 64GB QXD card

Yet although I was very satisfied with the pictures, I, to again put the Z6 to the test,shot another catwalk show only a few weeks later, now with the Z6 and a 2.8/70-200 VRII https://pbase.com/paul_k/20190117_amfi_take_over

Lighting unforturately proved to be even more challenging

Probably for 'creative reasons' somebody very artistic had decided to put a spotlight at the very end of the catwalk, thus not only creating a huge amount of backlighting, but also pointing straight into the lens, and add a smoke machine ( lowering the contrast) as the 'cherry on the cake'

On top of that the 'surrounding' lights were RGB LED's, creating an impossible to correct purple/magenta cast, although there fortunately were some 'normal' 3400K halogen spots on the closest part of the catwalk

Despite all that, the results, at least AF wise, were again well above expectations https://pbase.com/paul_k/20190117_amfi_take_over , although getting rid of the purple/magenta cast took a lot of work

Since as they say 'three times is a charm' I took the Z6 to yet another catwalk shoot a few weeks later

Being organized by students of a fashion academy without a major budget, lighting was even worse then with the previous shows : no real stage lights, and at best only a couple of strips of small RGB LED lights alongside the catwalk ( = not in frontal lighting on the, as usual, fast moving models, and yes, again the purple/magenta cast))

Still the Z6 was capable of decent results despite the atrocious conditions, eg https://pbase.com/paul_k/image/168733062

I must admit I, as the evening consisted of three small shows, after having shot the first one with the Z6 and a Sigma 1.4 105mm DG (wide open), switched to a D850 with a stopped down 2.8770-200 VRII + flash for the 2nd and 3rd shows

Although having done the for me necessary testing, just for the fun of it shot a public dance event a few weeks time ago (and yes :) lighting wasn't ideal again).

Due to the AF wise very challenging conditions (fast, erratically moving dancers darting from one side of the stage to the other, forcing me to similarly swipe the lens from left to right all the time

Played around with several AF settings (stopped down between f2.2 and f4), varying between Dynamic AF, AF Wide and AF large, to end up with Dynamic AF as IMO the best - choice

Still the Z6 + Sigma 1.4 105mm combination didn't disappoint https://pbase.com/paul_k/20190310_adam_dans although admittedly around 30% of the shots were out of focus. But much of that was due to user error after I had failed to / was too late to correctly position the AF field on the dancer, missing him/her completely and ending up pointing it on the background instead

My conclusion after all those 'tests' is that the Z6's AF is excellent under good lighting, but also well up to even the most challenging conditions. I'm curious what the upcoming AF firmware upgrade will bring, although I'm already pretty satisfied so far

Admittedly not up to the level of the D850, but definitely superior to eg a DF or D7100, and equal to a d800, all three bodies have had and still have (sold the DF and D7100 after I got the Z6's)

Have had no issue with any peeling rubbers, the sensors didn't need cleaning at a recent (free ) Check and Clean NPS Netherlands had organized, battery life is much better then the CIPA 340 shots estimate (I don't use the back LCD all the time)

Never heard of cleaning issues due to, or complaints about the 'delicate' (?) IBIS (this actually is the very first time I do)

So in my personal experience, based on real world experience shooting under AF, battery and lighting conditions wise challenging conditions, using a Z6 for travel photography shouldn't be an issue

Sorry for any typos, not a native English speaker
 
Hello everyone not posted here for a good time but am looking to buy a Z6 for use as travel camera but i keep seeing some of the negative comments about autofocus capture
Stills: AF-S keepers rate about 95%,

Slow moving subjects (people walking or running): AF-C keepers rate about 75%.

The keepers rate largely depends of your own settings choices for what you do. As I did, you'll probably have to learn, test and practice and then decide your best in-camera settings...
,also problems with grips wearing quickly
Owner of my Z6 since mid-November, 7000+ clicks and leaving in a tropical country (very wet sometimes but also very dry and dusty as since 2 months now), not the slightest sign of wearing. As suggested here and there, it may also depend of the owner's "perspiration chemistry". But I don't know of course...
and questions about sensor cleaning due to the delicate ibis mechanism.
After 4 months and 7000+ clicks, no any sign of "dust" on the sensor. No cleaning. The in-camera cleaning mode set at camera offing seems to efficiently work. Yet I often shoot on dirty/dusty building sites and use to change lenses as often as needed.

I don't understand what you mean by "delicate ibis mechanism". The Z IBIS works just great and is very efficient...
will the new firmware update sort the focus problem out or not. we will not know until implemented

Could any early adopters please give me their impressions of these problems,are the blown out of proportion and are they happy with their purchase.
At least for me not the slightest problem until now, and yes very happy with my Z...
Would it me better to try to be patient and let the system mature over a few years ,thanks for your help in advance.
As can be expected, I suppose the next iterations of the Nikon Z family will bring more "refined" features. But in the meantime (how many years?) you'll be missing one of the finest camera on the market at the moment. As well, one may wait forever for the "best of the best" camera :-D
Just to be clear i am not a troll ,I have used nikon cameras for years and very pleased with the Nikon dslr range
but attracted to more compact systems,so please dont flame me.
Good luck in your search...
 
Just sold my D750 and kept my D500 for action but the Z6 does everything I want it to and does it well.
 
The Z6 & 7 IMO has the best Nikon AF yet for travel (mainly static) photography, backed up by easily Nikon's best manual focus viewfinder yet.

You can AF or MF with complete accuracy anywhere in about 90% of the viewfinder area.

The combination of bright viewfinder combined with focus peaking make manual focus extremely easy.

For fast moving subjects AF can be very capable though the range of AF options are not as wide as a D500 or D850.

As the sensor is close to the lens mount and not hidden behind a mirror a mirror box it is extremely easy to remove any dust that auto sensor clean does not move with little more than a blower brush. I have needed 2 minor dust removals and no wet clean in nearly 6 months use.

One advantage of Z AF for travel is, if you encounter a group of performers, the AF can be set to track their movement across the frame.

Nobody yet knows the full extent of the may update, other than the addition of the announced eye focus ability.

My body and grip covers remain pristine.
 
On the battery issue obviously ML is at a disadvantage.

The more shots per minute the better the battery performance.

If I go out all day at some point I need food and drink.

If I expect to need a tripod or a reflector I take one.

A spare battery is not heavy - and many of us already own one.
 
Hi and thanks all!

Great input from everybody and its appreciated ,think I will go and try in store and that will probably clinch it for me,any more input would be appreciated but thanks again.

I once owned a Oly Em1 and I loved the form factor but wasn't very happy with the EVF and the noise in the images.So A Z6 seems just what I am looking for.

Battery wise I have a few EN-EL15 (lion 20) so I presume these will work ok?

Thanks All
 
Hi and thanks all!

Great input from everybody and its appreciated ,think I will go and try in store and that will probably clinch it for me,any more input would be appreciated but thanks again.

I once owned a Oly Em1 and I loved the form factor but wasn't very happy with the EVF and the noise in the images.So A Z6 seems just what I am looking for.

Battery wise I have a few EN-EL15 (lion 20) so I presume these will work ok?

Thanks All
Yes EN-EL15s are fine - I've got a couple as well as the new battery in the Z6.
 
Hi and thanks all!

Great input from everybody and its appreciated ,think I will go and try in store and that will probably clinch it for me,any more input would be appreciated but thanks again.

I once owned a Oly Em1 and I loved the form factor but wasn't very happy with the EVF and the noise in the images.So A Z6 seems just what I am looking for.

Battery wise I have a few EN-EL15 (lion 20) so I presume these will work ok?

Thanks All
My Z6 refused one that had worked in my D750. My D500 sometimes doesn't like them too.
 
Hi and thanks all!

Great input from everybody and its appreciated ,think I will go and try in store and that will probably clinch it for me,any more input would be appreciated but thanks again.

I once owned a Oly Em1 and I loved the form factor but wasn't very happy with the EVF and the noise in the images.So A Z6 seems just what I am looking for.

Battery wise I have a few EN-EL15 (lion 20) so I presume these will work ok?

Thanks All
Older EN-EL batteries work fine. I have used them in my Z7. I do not see any great difference in how long they last, although I have not done any testing. Even with DSLRs, I always carry a spare.

I believe that only the newest EN-EL 15 batteries, the b version, will charge in camera with USB. Not an issue for me.
 

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