EF 300 f/4 L IS opinions

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I know this lens is getting very long in the tooth but I’ve been thinking more and more about getting it the last few months. I’ve been looking over pictures taken with it on Flickr and it looks like the lens can still produce outstanding images, even on lower end cameras. I recently picked up my first L lens and it has kind of gotten me hooked 😊 I never used to be much for shooting telephoto but since picking up the EF 70-200 f/4 L non-IS it has ended up being my most used lens this year.

I’ve been having fun trying to shoot wildlife, among other things, which is more difficult in the winter regardless, but I’ve noticed the lens is a bit short for that. I didn’t primarily get the 70-200 for wildlife, more for a general telephoto use (portraits, zoo trips, kids playing, landscape, flowers, etc), and the 70-200 has gotten me some great shots but there have been times when more reach would have been nice. My son also is getting into t-ball so having a good set of lenses for that would be nice as well.

I know the 100-400 is the de-facto standard now for getting into wildlife but having somewhat recently purchased the 70-200 the funds just aren’t there. I may get it someday but right now it’s just not in the cards. It seems the only affordable lenses for wildlife (primes) are the 300 f/4 and 400 f/5.6, otherwise your looking at some serious money. I’m also shooting with a rebel camera currently, T5/1200D, but in the next year or so I’d like to upgrade (either the 80D, 7Dmkii or the possible future 7Dmkiii but that’s another topic), so saving up for the 100-400 would delay a body upgrade as well.

What I was primarily thinking of using the 300 f/4 lens for would be stationary birds (perched in trees, parks around town, on the water on lakes and rivers, etc). I also like photographing flowers and small details when I’m out shooting landscapes which I hear this lens is pretty good at with the 0.24 native magnification. It may get pushed into BIF use at times, but I know other lenses are better at it. I can also see uses for it for my son’s t-ball and hopefully future baseball games, maybe some landscape use, and more reach for general use.

I don’t use primes too much but I’ve been having more and more fun using them the past year over zooms so I think this may be a good addition. I should also mention I also currently have the EF 1.4 mk ii extender which would make this a 420mm f/5.6 lens with IS which seems useful, even though AF would be slower and I know the image stabilization is 1st gen and not all that great.

With the RF mount out now I don’t really see this lens ever getting an update unless its into the mirrorless world, so I don’t know that it’s worth holding out for updates.

I’ve been looking around and used prices for good to very good condition lenses from various sources seem to be going from $550ish to $700ish range which doesn’t seem bad. Would it be worth it or are there other lenses that would be worth looking at, without going to third party (just not comfortable with that). Or just make do with the 70-200 until I can afford the 100-400 lens?
 
while canon 300 is a fine lens but i would not recommend it for wild life and birding because it doesn't meet the minimum length for that sort of photog.

again, while your canon 70-200 f4.0 non IS is a superb lens and produces some awesome files, it is not even qualifies for wild life lens. keep it for everyday shooting!

if budget is tight, you could find a nice canon 400 f5.6 prime at a very reasonable price online! i have this prime and have taken some of my most beautiful bird shots with it. although you need good afternoon sunlight to make this lens shine!since now i have the big canon primes, i haven't used my 400 f5.6 in long while but won't hesitate to reach for it at any moment if it is near me! when the light condition is favorite, the photos taken with 400 f5.6 can rival any canon white prime, IMO. here is an example:



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good luck finding your lens ;-)

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So for birds and small wildlife a 400mm is the shortest lens I should be looking at? Used those aren't too much more than the 300 lens so its a possibility. Even with the 1.4 extender the 300 wouldn't be recommended even if bird in flight aren't the primary target? I thought the IS, even though old, may be a benefit.
 
So for birds and small wildlife a 400mm is the shortest lens I should be looking at? Used those aren't too much more than the 300 lens so its a possibility. Even with the 1.4 extender the 300 wouldn't be recommended even if bird in flight aren't the primary target? I thought the IS, even though old, may be a benefit.
true, a 400mm lens is a bare minimum for wild life. a 300mm will leave you high and dry, craving for more reach! the canon 400mm f5.6 takes a 1.4x TC very well. here is a shot with 400 f5.6 and a 1.4x II:



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I have been using the 300 F/4 with and without the 1.4 TC for over 10 years and love the lens. I have shot wildlife, BIF and flowers at macro distances quite successfully. Would post a flower shot but my internet is being flacky right now.

Here a full frame shoot using the 300 F/4 +1.4 TC on 50D.

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Same set up but a heavy crop. This big boy was about 250 yards away.

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i didn't say anything negative about the IQ of 300 f4.0 in my post but its reach is not enough, as your 2nd shot attests to that!
 
No doubt more reach could be used in many situation.
 
No doubt more reach could be used in many situation.
I guess the same argument could be made for the EF 400 f/5.6 vs getting a 500mm lens as well :)
 
No doubt more reach could be used in many situation.
I guess the same argument could be made for the EF 400 f/5.6 vs getting a 500mm lens as well :)
of course, if you can get a 500mm, it'll be better than 400mm--but this argument is about the usefulness of 400mm compared to 300mm for wild life! sometimes i use a 1.4x III TC on my canon 600 f4.0 II, which makes it about 840mm and believe me, it is not near long enough as it sounds ;-) but hey, if you have the budget, sky is the limit.
 
No doubt more reach could be used in many situation.
I guess the same argument could be made for the EF 400 f/5.6 vs getting a 500mm lens as well :)
of course, if you can get a 500mm, it'll be better than 400mm--but this argument is about the usefulness of 400mm compared to 300mm for wild life! sometimes i use a 1.4x III TC on my canon 600 f4.0 II, which makes it about 840mm and believe me, it is not near long enough as it sounds ;-) but hey, if you have the budget, sky is the limit.
Thats the problem, dont have the budget for the big whites :)

It sounds like even with a 1.4x TC the 300mm would still be considered short for most wildlife even on a crop camera. Maybe the 400 is worth another look.
 
I have the 300 f4L and the 400 f5.6L. As others have said, the 300 is way too short for wildlife, especially birding. It's a superb lens whose particular strength is its very short MFD. The 400, I also find too short for wildlife, even on a crop camera. It needs very good light so it depends where you live . I've seen some superb shots taken with it but they all seem to have been taken in Florida or California where the light is superb. Here in comparatively grey London UK, it's not the solution I sought. I joined the RSPB to go along to their wetlands and shoot from their hides, but the birds were so far away, they were just a small dot in the centre of a large frame. So I gave up and haven't used it for a long while. To be sold soon, even though it's an excellent lens.
 
No doubt more reach could be used in many situation.
I guess the same argument could be made for the EF 400 f/5.6 vs getting a 500mm lens as well :)
of course, if you can get a 500mm, it'll be better than 400mm--but this argument is about the usefulness of 400mm compared to 300mm for wild life! sometimes i use a 1.4x III TC on my canon 600 f4.0 II, which makes it about 840mm and believe me, it is not near long enough as it sounds ;-) but hey, if you have the budget, sky is the limit.
Thats the problem, dont have the budget for the big whites :)

It sounds like even with a 1.4x TC the 300mm would still be considered short for most wildlife even on a crop camera. Maybe the 400 is worth another look.
Many great options presented here,

how many days on average , per year will you use the 400? Maybe staying with the 200 and renting the 400 IS II on weekend deals for now is workable? Lets you kick the IS II tires w/o huge cost. Last summer they had deals here for $ 40 or 50 for 4 day long weekends, Fr, Sat, Sun, Mon.

FY resolution & other comps,

Here is the Optical Limits Canon FF page and DP .coms graph page


 


Taken with a 70--200mm f/4 L. In some situations it is enough. My serious birding friends were surprised by this photo. They all recommend a 600mm, but this Red-Tailed Hawk "knows" me and I can approach well within 10m of it.
 

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I'm with you on that one ;o)

ditto 70 - 200 F4 @ 200 mm hand held no IS



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Taken with a 70--200mm f/4 L. In some situations it is enough. My serious birding friends were surprised by this photo. They all recommend a 600mm, but this Red-Tailed Hawk "knows" me and I can approach well within 10m of it.
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that is a nice bird shot! unfortunately, not too many of use has bird friends to let us that close to take its photo ;-) you try that lens taking pictures of a small bird see how successful it will be!
 
Sometimes 300mm is enough. More often, however, you're going to need to crop.

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how many days on average , per year will you use the 400? Maybe staying with the 200 and renting the 400 IS II on weekend deals for now is workable? Lets you kick the IS II tires w/o huge cost. Last summer they had deals here for $ 40 or 50 for 4 day long weekends, Fr, Sat, Sun, Mon.
Thats a good idea. I checked at a local camera shop and they have both the EF 300 f/4 L IS and the EF 400 f/5.6 L available for rent, right around $50 per lens for a 4 day long weekend. I think I'll rent each one and see how useful each ends up being for how I shoot first.
 
how many days on average , per year will you use the 400? Maybe staying with the 200 and renting the 400 IS II on weekend deals for now is workable? Lets you kick the IS II tires w/o huge cost. Last summer they had deals here for $ 40 or 50 for 4 day long weekends, Fr, Sat, Sun, Mon.
Thats a good idea. I checked at a local camera shop and they have both the EF 300 f/4 L IS and the EF 400 f/5.6 L available for rent, right around $50 per lens for a 4 day long weekend. I think I'll rent each one and see how useful each ends up being for how I shoot first.
I am at the same crossroad - 6D + 70 - 200 F4 IS, rented the 100 - 400 IS II and loved it , used a small astro sweeping tripod but my reality is ...more architecture & landscape than BIFs, the % of my shooting time dedicated to wildlife beyond 200 mm is very low.

My fear was it would sit idle 99 % of the time.Its a wicked lens, wicked sharpness , wicked AF , easy to use no beefs on QC.

Maybe if you have a shooting bud, you could half that again and bag your targets

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how many days on average , per year will you use the 400? Maybe staying with the 200 and renting the 400 IS II on weekend deals for now is workable? Lets you kick the IS II tires w/o huge cost. Last summer they had deals here for $ 40 or 50 for 4 day long weekends, Fr, Sat, Sun, Mon.
Thats a good idea. I checked at a local camera shop and they have both the EF 300 f/4 L IS and the EF 400 f/5.6 L available for rent, right around $50 per lens for a 4 day long weekend. I think I'll rent each one and see how useful each ends up being for how I shoot first.
I am at the same crossroad - 6D + 70 - 200 F4 IS, rented the 100 - 400 IS II and loved it , used a small astro sweeping tripod but my reality is ...more architecture & landscape than BIFs, the % of my shooting time dedicated to wildlife beyond 200 mm is very low.

My fear was it would sit idle 99 % of the time.Its a wicked lens, wicked sharpness , wicked AF , easy to use no beefs on QC.

Maybe if you have a shooting bud, you could half that again and bag your targets
if you are referring to 100-400mm, it is a very versatile lens and it is not for wildlife or birding alone! i use my 100400mm II mostly for landscape than wildlife. however, if any lens that will sit on the shelf for 99% of the time, then obviously it is not for you ;-) if i was to start collecting lenses today all over again, i'd get the canon 24-70 f2.8 II and 100-400 II, that would be it, no more lenses. those 2 lenses cover just about everything i want to shoot, and in high quality!
 
I'm not going to get into the "300mm is too short for wildlife" nonsense, just give my opinion.

I recently traded in my Sigma 100-400mm C for the Canon 300mm f4 L IS (my first L lens) and absolutely love it. For me, it's plenty of reach for wildlife, especially when I put on my Kenko Pro 300 DGX 1.4x TC.

I go to Yellowstone National Park every year for wildlife, and most of the time I've had at max a 300mm lens. Last year I had the 100-400 and 2 years prior I rented the Sigma 150-600 C. I can post many samples for you to make your decision, but for me, the 300L is a great lens, nice and light with amazing IQ.

If you can get a good copy used like I did, it's a steal. I'll be back in Yellowstone in mid June and plan to use this lens extensively with my 60D. It's a huge thumbs up from me.
 

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