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I like printing on heavy textured Ilford paper (but can’t import the paper codes for some reason). Prints coming out flat with poor colour vibrancy. I can get excellent vibrancy with more traditional photographic paper but don’t like the feel.

Ive tried various printer/ print pro settings but can’t achieve what I want.

Any ideas?
 
Did you create custom ICC profiles for the paper you want to use?

Jpegman
 
Sounds like the Ilford is a matte fine-art paper and (perhaps) the other one is a lustre or gloss (RC paper?). Yes?
 
Yes. Basically I’m looking for more vitality in the matte print. I’m having to crank up ambiance on photos to try and get there.

Suggestions?
 
I tried but failed. Ilford ICC profiles easily obtainable but loading them into Canon print studio pro beyond me. Can’t seem to get them in. Having best guess/ experimenting.

Ilford smooth cotton rag with CPS and Prograf on plus glossy ii not to bad but still need more zing. Having to crank up ambiance on photos to get some.

Will ICC profiles make a big difference?

Also why are the printer and print studio pro independent with their media type settings?
 
I am not sure I fully understand your problem with paper profiles, once you have downloaded them to your computer in windows, just go to the profile and highlight it in file viewer ............... at this point look up to the control bar at the top of the window and it will have a tab saying "install profile" or similar. This places the profile in windows system files under the required area to show up in your printing dialogue later.

Now when you go to print, turn off any colour management in your Canon software, look for the tab to select the option " none " not match icc or the other option. At this point you might also load from the rear manual feed to offer an easier route for a +300 gms paper. In your paper selection dialogue in the Canon software select the paper your profile suggests...... so for some it might be canon matte , for others it might be heavy weight fine art paper. Innova name their profiles with IFA 26 HWFAP , so giving you the profile name and the paper selection for the basic route.

Recently Canon have updated their XPS 16 bit driver , I often use this as it saves holding both an 8 and 16 bit version of files. Your profile that you loaded into windows system should also show up when you go to View/Proof Setup/Custom in Photoshop thus allowing you to view your file as "soft Proof" in photoshop and aiding preparing the file for print. When you print in photoshop , having selected" let photoshop manage colour" and turned off colour management and selected the paper route, in the Canon driver....... you now select the profile you installed in the Photoshop print dialogue.

Have a word with your paper supplier, Fotospeed offer a free profile creation if you buy your paper from them. This allows you to download their test chart, a bunch of coloured squares, which you print with Adobe utility and then send to them. They scan this with their X-Rite hardware noting the reproduced colours and create a custom profile for your printer on the chosen paper. This is a +- 900 patch chart profile and good enough for most uses. If you want a more accurate profile , +2000 you often need to pay for this and several paper companies will be able to help. Fotospeed suggest their platinum rag paper is a bit more punchy for a mat .... I still think the only way to get real punch is to move up to a luster surface like Canson Platine.
 
Learn how to use color profiles, and you won't have any issues.
 
Thanks for your very informative advice.

Ill try again. I’m on. Mac and nothing seems that easy.
 
Profile Installation Instruction – MAC

1.Start by saving your profile from the email to your desktop.

2.Then go to your Finder and go to the top of your screen where it will say ‘Go’. On this drop down select ‘Go to Folder’.

3.This will then open a box in which you can type into. Type in ‘ ~/Library ‘ and it will take you to your library folder.

4.Inside this, locate your ‘Color Sync’ folder and double click to open.

5.Inside this will be another folder named ‘Profiles’. Double click on this folder to open.

6.Then drag and drop the profiles from your desktop into the profiles folder in your Library.

7.If you have Photoshop/Lightroom/Elements open on your computer already, close and re-open them to refresh and bring the profile into the application.

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Gear ... what I need to get the job done , after all you don't see mechanics listing their brand of spanner as a qualification .
 
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If your display is properly calibrated, and you assign the correct profile to the paper you are using- turning off color management in whatever application you are printing from, you should get a good color match to paper. As one other poster suggested, matte papers do not have the same "pop" that semi-gloss and gloss papers have. There is no way that the color on your display, which is backlit, will have the same impact when printed to a matte surface paper. I use the Epson Premium Luster paper in my Canon Pro 4000 and a custom ICC profile, and it works very nicely. Canson Baryta paper has a beautiful range of color and saturation compared to any matte paper, and I also use a lot of the Hahnemuele Photo Rag Satin when I want deep color with a little sheen.
 
Yeah thanks. That’s really helpful and worked for importing ICC codes.

My next question is how to find out and set media type on Canon print studio and the printer. For a start, why are these able to be set independently? The ICC code file name suggests a media setting (I think). Eg hdap probably means high density art paper. This can be set on print studio pro (but only allows manual feed which is really inconvenient if your printer sits up against a wall). Why would the feed method be preset? But the printer doesn’t even have that hdap setting anyway.

I’m confused.
 
My next question is how to find out and set media type on Canon print studio and the printer. For a start, why are these able to be set independently?
I think the main reason for setting the media type on the printer is to prevent misprints. If you set it on the printer, and then use a different one in the software, the printer will warn you and ask you what to do.

Check this page for more information:

The ICC code file name suggests a media setting (I think). Eg hdap probably means high density art paper. This can be set on print studio pro (but only allows manual feed which is really inconvenient if your printer sits up against a wall). Why would the feed method be preset? But the printer doesn’t even have that hdap setting anyway.
Feed method is restricted for some media types (including high density art paper), because they are intended for thicker paper, which can be fed only via the manual tray. The setting on the printer only applies to the rear tray, and that is also why that media type is not present on the printer operation panel.

The high density art paper has a special "recipe", putting down more ink on the paper than other matte media types. Unfortunately there is no way to replicate this "recipe" and at the same time use the rear tray.

You can find some addition information on this here:

https://ugp01.c-ij.com/ij/webmanual/PrinterDriver/M/PRO-1000 series/1.0/EN/PPG/dg-c_paper_type.html

Regards, Robert
 
OK first thing I need to understand is what software you are using to prepare the file for printing. I will presume that you are working from Canon DPP and are therefore using Canon Studio Pro as the printing part of that .

When your paper is set for either top or manual feed , if this is set by the paper it comes from a paper profile, in which all sorts of things can be pre set. For example the GSM weight and dimensions of the paper in terms of weight and thickness, will dictate which route through the feed will be best suited. If you feed a heavy art paper through the top load and have the head set low ..... your going to see head strikes on the edges of the paper and possibly ink smears. The rear feed " manual load " is a more direct path through the system and combined with either a paper setting profile or a command within the driver to " avoid abrasion" will lift the head to avoid this....if you find that a paper is not listed that is a " Canon basic paper " , or one that profiles are based on then you need to open the Canon utility Toolbox and look for " Media Config Tool " here look for a tab to ADD or UPDATE media information. There is an option to add from the internet, and here you will find and add the missing profile. If you have your printer sat close to a wall , then you will have edge it forward a couple of inches to allow you to open the rear feed flap. Make sure you use cotton gloves for handling the paper, oils from your fingers will spoil the inking. Open out the paper guides and then once the paper is GENTLY fed into the slot and down to ready ( needs a slight pressure and a wiggle) now gently bring the guides in to touch the edges of the paper and centre it in the path.

As for creating your own media type , all I can say is read the manual and paperwork that came with your printer. It is an amazing but complex bit of kit that you can work through slowly and methodically.

I hope that by now you have the ability to download and install a profile for your paper of choice. Select the correct paper route from the Canon driver and then use the profile that matches this. If you use a Canon root paper that is not the exact match where the profile was created , you will notice heavier inking, more ink bleed , slight colour shifts in shadows or other slightly annoying changes..... not to mention needing to watch paper thickness and head strikes.

As I said when I print from Photoshop and I set " Let Photoshop manage colour" and only set the paper size, path, borderless , basic paper type, in the Canon driver window ...making sure that colour management is set to off or do not match. Then in the Photoshop window I set, let photoshop manage, the paper profile as downloaded from manufacturers site or created for you, and black point compensation with perceptual rendering intent.

When you print using the printer manufacturers software you are in fact letting the printer deal with this and you would set the media type to the Canon root paper " Heavyweight Fine Art" for example , then the size ..A2, paper source manual feed, then under colour management set " Match ICC profile " and then set the profile you have for your paper.... along with black point compensation and rendering intent ... perceptual.

Canon also have a new software called Professional Print and Layout that you can use to print via. Like I said I always use Photoshop, and so am more used to that. When setting up your file for the Pro 1000 you can leave it in 16 bit format and Adobe RGB profile by using the Canon XPS driver. As for file size and DPI, they say the Canon works well with either a 300 or 600 DDPI file, and if prepared this way will print well at 100%. If you print borderless watch out for image stretching to ensure coverage, this can be controlled in software.

OK so now I have spent quite a bit of time trying to guide you and I need to see an image of a happy face next to a print that worked. Good luck.
 
What’s the best heavy paper with nice feel and vibrancy without sheen in your opinion?
 
So turning off any colour management should get me what’s on the monitor (if it’s properly calibrated)? Doesn’t soft proofing achieve the same?
 
Appreciate your time and help. Things are getting clearer and results better. I will refer back to this
 

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