Olympus just confirm E-M5 III "soon", have PDAF? and price is real question

But for new buyers the E-M5Iii will have to be exceptional to avert attention from the well priced/specified competition and not turn out to be an overpriced damp squib.....which it obviously? Won't be ;-)
Even if it is “exceptional”, the E-M5 III well be a resounding failure in the eyes of a lot of the doom and gloomers on this forum who will once again find a myriad of reasons to not upgrade from their ancient first generation OMD 5, and will continue to rant on the misguided Olympus camera designs.
 
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Don't expect miracles. The current E-M5 model sits in the midrange below the E-M1 line. A successor to the current E-M5 is very unlikely to be a high-end model on the cheap,
A modern midrange wlll do to most. I am pretty sure by far the most people interested in this segment just want OSPDAF at a reasonable rate (say 6-7 fps with C-AF), they want a better EVF and given the slow cycle time it is wise to make it 3,6 MP. Of course they want the 20 MP sensor.

Everything else will probably be seen as a bonus, although 4K video with a good bitrate is not too much to ask for a 900 euro/dollar cam either.

Keep this the same:
- Shape and weight
- Weathersealing
- SingleCard slot
- tilting screen

To keep it good for 3 years to come:
- 20 MP sensor
- OSPDAF with 8 fps with C-AF+Tr and 15 FPS without
- 3,6 MP EVF of a reasonable size and good refreshrates
- Good 4K video
- 5-6 stops IBIS (may be with SyncIS)
- Hires mode like EM1.2 or better
- Add My Menu!

Very nice to have:
- Better batterylife
- USB-c charging
- Joystick
- Handheld HiRes
- Etc.
 
I already posted my thoughts here

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62388003

And the term "successor model" seems vague. It can be a E-M5 III or something else. I don't think he said E-M5 III and he seems to be evasive.

My guess is an announcement in Feb 2020. I hope it's not late and it's not a very basic model ( due to price pressure from competitors).
E-M3. Mark my words.
 
Don't expect miracles. The current E-M5 model sits in the midrange below the E-M1 line. A successor to the current E-M5 is very unlikely to be a high-end model on the cheap,
A modern midrange wlll do to most. I am pretty sure by far the most people interested in this segment just want OSPDAF at a reasonable rate (say 6-7 fps with C-AF), they want a better EVF and given the slow cycle time it is wise to make it 3,6 MP. Of course they want the 20 MP sensor.
Everything else will probably be seen as a bonus, although 4K video with a good bitrate is not too much to ask for a 900 euro/dollar cam either.

Keep this the same:
- Shape and weight
- Weathersealing
- SingleCard slot
- tilting screen

To keep it good for 3 years to come:
- 20 MP sensor
- OSPDAF with 8 fps with C-AF+Tr and 15 FPS without
- 3,6 MP EVF of a reasonable size and good refreshrates
- Good 4K video
- 5-6 stops IBIS (may be with SyncIS)
- Hires mode like EM1.2 or better
- Add My Menu!
Very nice to have:
- Better batterylife
- USB-c charging
- Joystick
- Handheld HiRes
- Etc.
I doubt you will see all that at $900 mark, maybe off by 50%, I think. $1399 perhaps.
 
Depends when it is going to debut. All that is indeed quite something on hand. But let's look at the G9...

- Costs 1200 dollar (B&H)
- 3,6 MP EVF, a huge one
- 20 FPS with C-AF, 60 without
- Dual cards slot
- Much larger battery
- 4K 60 fps video
- Joystick
- HiRes 80 MP
- Topplate LCD
- Excellent weathersealing

So from that angle how can Oly come up with a cam that costs more and clearly delivers less? Surely when we ar etalking about second half 2019 and first half 2020?
 
Depends when it is going to debut. All that is indeed quite something on hand. But let's look at the G9...

- Costs 1200 dollar (B&H)
- 3,6 MP EVF, a huge one
- 20 FPS with C-AF, 60 without
- Dual cards slot
- Much larger battery
- 4K 60 fps video
- Joystick
- HiRes 80 MP
- Topplate LCD
- Excellent weathersealing

So from that angle how can Oly come up with a cam that costs more and clearly delivers less? Surely when we ar etalking about second half 2019 and first half 2020?
But the G9 intro price was $1700......how long ago? And, it seems Olympus has never been a pricing slave to Panasonic, much less the rest of the market....and least of all, this forum.
 
Depends when it is going to debut. All that is indeed quite something on hand. But let's look at the G9...

- Costs 1200 dollar (B&H)
- 3,6 MP EVF, a huge one
- 20 FPS with C-AF, 60 without
- Dual cards slot
- Much larger battery
- 4K 60 fps video
- Joystick
- HiRes 80 MP
- Topplate LCD
- Excellent weathersealing

So from that angle how can Oly come up with a cam that costs more and clearly delivers less? Surely when we ar etalking about second half 2019 and first half 2020?
Absolutely.

Here's what Oly need to do.

1. Drop the price of the EM1 mk2 immediately. It's ridiculously expensive right now. I would drop it to $1100-1200

2. Introduce EM5 mk3 in a modified EM5 mk2 body with the same core features as the EM1, but better EVF and handheld hi res. Price it at $900 for the body

I know that might seem crazy, but what else can they do to compete with Fuji, Sony and Canon?
 
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Depends when it is going to debut. All that is indeed quite something on hand. But let's look at the G9...

- Costs 1200 dollar (B&H)
- 3,6 MP EVF, a huge one
- 20 FPS with C-AF, 60 without
- Dual cards slot
- Much larger battery
- 4K 60 fps video
- Joystick
- HiRes 80 MP
- Topplate LCD
- Excellent weathersealing

So from that angle how can Oly come up with a cam that costs more and clearly delivers less? Surely when we ar etalking about second half 2019 and first half 2020?
But the G9 intro price was $1700......how long ago? And, it seems Olympus has never been a pricing slave to Panasonic, much less the rest of the market....and least of all, this forum.
I did not write from Oly's perspective, just from my perspective and what I see as a viable start for a cam with a cycle that seems to be three yeards….

Also there is little use for looking at prices when a cam was broght to market. The value of a cam with the specs of a G9 is currently about 1200 dollar at B&H. Those specs are arguably better than the Em5.3 I suggested.

Than there is the X-T30 which does have a 0.62 x EVF which is indeed not good. But otherwise the specs of this cam are very good and it is 900 dollar....

So I cam up with that list with those cams in mind.
 
It would be fantastic if they can get the AF on a par with the X-T30 that would attract potential new buyers. The trouble is that would make the AF perform above the flagship models.
 
A successor, but maybe a different type of beast if you look at the design language of the EM1X & some of the interviews.....maybe a departure from the retro look. I hope not, but just a feeling from recent pointers.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/ne...ly-why-e-m5-iii-running-late-why-not-to-worry

Imaging Resource interviewed Mr. Terada and Sugimoto from Olympus. Here are few hot info:

New PRO lenses: There will be pro lenses released before the 150-400mm pro launch in 2020

New E-M5II successor: We can reassure you that we plan to introduce a successor model.

Core focus: core strengths of Olympus brand are compact and lightweight, high-resolution lenses, and strong image stabilization

Reason for the E-M5III launch delay: The move of the factory from China and Vietnam had a double impact on the financial results and an impact on product release timing.
 
a lot is already known:

E-M1 II sensor, more stop of IS compare E-M5 II, weather seal

question is does it have PDAF and at what price

both very important to me and many to choose buy or not

if no PDAF and more than $1200 than forget it, i won't buy
Olympus need to introduce some truely outstanding updates, otherwise for 1200$ and few years old E-M1.2 sensor it won't cut it. Stripping down E-M1.2 to smaller non-PDAF version will be outdated from lauch already.

I think it should have at least handheld Hi-Res and PDAF with latest AF / processors. Even better with new sensor, but I will not put my money on that.
 
a lot is already known:

E-M1 II sensor, more stop of IS compare E-M5 II, weather seal

question is does it have PDAF and at what price

both very important to me and many to choose buy or not

if no PDAF and more than $1200 than forget it, i won't buy
Olympus need to introduce some truely outstanding updates, otherwise for 1200$ and few years old E-M1.2 sensor it won't cut it. Stripping down E-M1.2 to smaller non-PDAF version will be outdated from lauch already.

I think it should have at least handheld Hi-Res and PDAF with latest AF / processors. Even better with new sensor, but I will not put my money on that.
New sensor is indeed not likely. No announcements as far as I know from Sony. Just for marketing purpouses a 26-27 MP version with the same characteristics as the 20MP (so the same noise inspite of the higher pixelcount) would be welcome but would not give us a lot. It would be better if such a sensor was scored somewhat better on everything else. But Em1X has no better sensor so not too much chance for that happening.
 
Depends when it is going to debut. All that is indeed quite something on hand. But let's look at the G9...

- Costs 1200 dollar (B&H)
- 3,6 MP EVF, a huge one
- 20 FPS with C-AF, 60 without
- Dual cards slot
- Much larger battery
- 4K 60 fps video
- Joystick
- HiRes 80 MP
- Topplate LCD
- Excellent weathersealing

So from that angle how can Oly come up with a cam that costs more and clearly delivers less? Surely when we ar etalking about second half 2019 and first half 2020?
Absolutely.

Here's what Oly need to do.

1. Drop the price of the EM1 mk2 immediately. It's ridiculously expensive right now. I would drop it to $1100-1200

2. Introduce EM5 mk3 in a modified EM5 mk2 body with the same core features as the EM1, but better EVF and handheld hi res. Price it at $900 for the body

I know that might seem crazy, but what else can they do to compete with Fuji, Sony and Canon?
Perhaps thy have decided to not compete with Sony, Fuji, and Canon....and I'll add in Nikon. As I have noted elsewhere, with a camera division that is less than 8% of their total corporate picture, and only 4% of the world camera market I think they are just a boutique camera company at best, and competing against the likes of those other companies is pure folly.
 
True, but a company that does not yet offer a product is best off not divulging it. Look up Sinclair Computer on Wikipedia for a a fine example of why. So I am not at all surprised that Olympus did not explicitly say "it's coming soon", they should not do that even it that was the case, because people would stop buying the EM5-II waiting for the EM5-III.
I'm curious about that example on wiki but didn't a clear explanation.. Can you link perhaps? Thanks!
 
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Depends when it is going to debut. All that is indeed quite something on hand. But let's look at the G9...

- Costs 1200 dollar (B&H)
- 3,6 MP EVF, a huge one
- 20 FPS with C-AF, 60 without
- Dual cards slot
- Much larger battery
- 4K 60 fps video
- Joystick
- HiRes 80 MP
- Topplate LCD
- Excellent weathersealing

So from that angle how can Oly come up with a cam that costs more and clearly delivers less? Surely when we ar etalking about second half 2019 and first half 2020?
Absolutely.

Here's what Oly need to do.

1. Drop the price of the EM1 mk2 immediately. It's ridiculously expensive right now. I would drop it to $1100-1200

2. Introduce EM5 mk3 in a modified EM5 mk2 body with the same core features as the EM1, but better EVF and handheld hi res. Price it at $900 for the body

I know that might seem crazy, but what else can they do to compete with Fuji, Sony and Canon?
Perhaps thy have decided to not compete with Sony, Fuji, and Canon....and I'll add in Nikon. As I have noted elsewhere, with a camera division that is less than 8% of their total corporate picture, and only 4% of the world camera market I think they are just a boutique camera company at best, and competing against the likes of those other companies is pure folly.
Sony has started a price war. They have the resources to do that. When they have reached their aim, prices will return normal. In the long run, they are in business to make a profit. If Olympus play their cards well, they can stay out of this war and let the others sort it out.
 
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For me the real question & competitor is Fuji. Fuji now has 2 models that offer better feature than $3000 Olympus EM1X for $1499 and $899. Fuji is delivering an action shooting camera for much less. The real question for me is can the upcoming EM5-III compete @all, or will it just be yet another mild-warm-over upgrade to EM5-II?

I'm not here to throw cold water on EM5-III, but the Reality is that FUJI is now offering a 2 very compelling products for way less than Olympus charge with superior & cleaner high iso to boot. I want Olympus to succeed, but I want it to be competitive as well.
  • Both $1499 Fuji X-T3 and $899 Fuji XT-30 have@:
  • Great 26mp BSi sensor that deliver clean iso3200/6400
  • No Blackout EVF for $899
  • Both can shoot still @20fps full resolution, or 30fps with 1.25x crop
  • Both can shoot native 4K without crop (XT3 = 4k@60p, XT30 = 4k@30p)
  • Both can output 10-bit, 4:2:2 color through HDMI
  • Both can shoot 120fps Slow Motion 1080p
  • Both have Amazingly STICKY Eye Tracking AF:
What adapter would you use to mount m4/3 lenses on Fuji Peter.

I know it's a bit of a shock, but one has an m4/3 sensor and the other has an APS-C sensor. Pretty sure the sensors are different sizes.
LOVE how you avoided his valid Question... That was Hilarious, really. *Slow clap*
 
I’m not so sure that “growing” their camera brand is a big goal for Olympus. The Imaging division of Olympus only accounts for less than 8% of their overall business. And, that small potatoes division only maintains a 4% share of the overall world camera market. At best Olympus is a boutique camera company. It has been noted that the Imaging business provides technology innovation to the main medical division, so it remains an important piece of the overall Olympus company. But, I suspect the cameras themselves remain more of a corporate hobby.
even as a hobby doesn't mean they don't take it seriously

this is a Japanese company that is proud of tradition

they made camera for 100 years? if not 100 years must be for a long time

they won't just abandon it even if just break even or at a slight loss

i don't worry abput MFT future with Olympus
I’m in total agreement with you, Jeff, and have no concerns about the future viability of the Olympus Imaging Division.

My point was, that contrary to many on this forum, I don’t think a lack of “mass market” growth is particularly worrisome to Olympus, nor is it to me. If that mainstream security was that important to me, I would still be shooting Canon.
Olympus is also strong with "mass market" in Japan

E-PL9 is constant top seller in Japan

Japanese public seem to appreciate Olympus IS and the brand name more than the west

same for Japanese enthusiast and professional

Olympus is a much stronger brand in Japan compare with in the west

I always think Japan market is more a real photographer market and not gadget lover/FF (bigger is better obsession) market
 
For me the real question & competitor is Fuji. Fuji now has 2 models that offer better feature than $3000 Olympus EM1X for $1499 and $899. Fuji is delivering an action shooting camera for much less. The real question for me is can the upcoming EM5-III compete @all, or will it just be yet another mild-warm-over upgrade to EM5-II?

I'm not here to throw cold water on EM5-III, but the Reality is that FUJI is now offering a 2 very compelling products for way less than Olympus charge with superior & cleaner high iso to boot. I want Olympus to succeed, but I want it to be competitive as well.
  • Both $1499 Fuji X-T3 and $899 Fuji XT-30 have@:
  • Great 26mp BSi sensor that deliver clean iso3200/6400
  • No Blackout EVF for $899
  • Both can shoot still @20fps full resolution, or 30fps with 1.25x crop
  • Both can shoot native 4K without crop (XT3 = 4k@60p, XT30 = 4k@30p)
  • Both can output 10-bit, 4:2:2 color through HDMI
  • Both can shoot 120fps Slow Motion 1080p
  • Both have Amazingly STICKY Eye Tracking AF:
What adapter would you use to mount m4/3 lenses on Fuji Peter.

I know it's a bit of a shock, but one has an m4/3 sensor and the other has an APS-C sensor. Pretty sure the sensors are different sizes.
People switch systems and start over all the time. I'm in the midst of it myself.
 
I doubt you will see all that at $900 mark, maybe off by 50%, I think. $1399 perhaps.
with RP at $1300 , A6400/XT30 at $1000

u really think Olympus can priced E-M5 III at $1400?

remember this is not E-M1 line, E-M5 must sell in good numbers otherwise Olympus will be in trouble

$1200 is the most Olympus can charge and still have reasonable sales

if they want great sales better price it at $1000

I will not paid a cent over $1200, any higher I get E-M10 III
 
I doubt you will see all that at $900 mark, maybe off by 50%, I think. $1399 perhaps.
with RP at $1300 , A6400/XT30 at $1000
Well, if the E-M5 III doesn't bring anything to the table that makes it more worthy than those models, than Olympus should go back to the woodshed.
u really think Olympus can priced E-M5 III at $1400?
Yup
remember this is not E-M1 line, E-M5 must sell in good numbers otherwise Olympus will be in trouble
No it is not, but all manufacturers are up-pricing (even the RP is just a Rebel with a bigger sensor, and who ever heard of a $1300 Rebel). The price will be higher than most would like.
$1200 is the most Olympus can charge and still have reasonable sales
I really don't think that a $200 spread will make a big difference in the sales figures. Those that wouldn't buy it at the higher price, most likely wouldn't buy it at $1200 either
if they want great sales better price it at $1000

I will not paid a cent over $1200, any higher I get E-M10 III
I'm just surmising that , based on Olympus's recent pricing history, they really don't care if you buy it or not. They know where they have to be to get their return on their investment, based on their projected sales. If you are not willing to buy at their required price point for the E-M5 III, and decide to get the E-M10 III instead, so be it, someone (like me) will be willing to buy it at the higher price.

Of course, I would like the lower price, but I doubt it will happen.
 

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