Smartphones have Destroyed More Than Just Camera Sales.

The latest iphones have better AF than the Nikon Df. You seen those "shot on iPhone" photographs on DPR's homepage? Look better than many taken with cameras thousands of times larger.
 
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Yes, and no, and a bit of "camera makers saw it coming and did nothing".

Smartphones had a huge impact on the compact and simple camera market. Pretty much they responded with more megapixels, more zoom and more colors completely missing the point that people wanted to share images quickly and easily. Smartphones are all about "the cloud", the cameras were earthbound.

Then the impact started to trickle up and affect other higher range cameras as the smartphones got more powerful and more accessories. "Good enough" was good enough. The connectivity was the huge plus.

I saw mobile rigs for video that that are just amazing. Take a look at the Padcaster for IPad and Verse for smartphones.
 
Smartphones have brought more people to photography than everything else combined.
Yeah, 'cause selfies and pics with genitals are real artistic, along with blurry photographs of celebrities trying to have dinner and cat videos.

I feel so blessed, i live in the golden era of photography. There' s so much art around my eyes are bleeding whenever i visit facebook to see the newest fake political russian ads.



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But if you offered me the choice of a digital camera + MP3 player + standalone GPS + camcorder from 2007 or a modern smartphone, I'd rather have the phone.
So.... Instead of a Hasselblad H3DII from 2007 you'd rather have a Nokia 1 from 2019???

Well i have nothing against minimalists... as in "minimal standards".
 
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And digital cameras killed Instamatics.

Which killed Brownies.

But we didn't have an internet then, so geezers couldn't go on forums to complain about it; we had to settle for whinging in barber shops, shuffleboard courts, and old folks homes. Darn kids!
 
GPS units destroyed sales of maps

MP3 players destroyed sales of CD players, which destroyed sales of tape players

Calculators destroyed the sales of the abacus

Cars destroyed sales of horses and carriages

Digital cameras destroyed sales of disposable cameras

If we kept using the same stuff as decades/centuries ago society probably wouldn't progress anywhere near as far/fast
Fair points Alex. I think the main difference is that each technology you listed replaced another standalone technology, negating to some extent the effect on the workforce.

The cell didn't replace a single technology, it replaced a significant half dozen of them. And while the cell phone industry is huge, I get the feeling it has killed more jobs than created.

I think this will be an ongoing issue for future generations. Most new technologies are efficient enough to eliminate more jobs than they create. Within our present social structures, that is going to cause huge disruption over the next few decades.
This has literally been said about every disruptive technology ever. Ultimately we shifted things around and were fine.
This has been said, bit every era is unique it its own way. I think part of what makes this era a little unique, (trying not to be effected by recency bias here) is that there are more of us alive today than have died in the history of our species. It certainly will be interesting to see how we adapt, or not.
Plus keep in mind that was against the backdrop of rapid development in the third world and other social changes. US is at record low unemployment with women in the workforce and up against competitors like Mexico and China.
This is true, although many of these jobs are in our recreation, and do not pay a decent living wage. The reaction to that is to force a false economy into wages with raised minimums, whcih mat also have an interesting outcome.
I think the only real pain point is fear prompting people to look backwards instead of forwards. These transitions and disruptions would go a lot more smoothly if we focused on helping people transition forward instead of fighting to cling to a dead past.
A very fair point.
Humanity has survived largely through rapid innovation and adaptation though and I don't see that changing any time soon.
Not soon, but I can see a future where the social structure will have to adapt to a lessened demand for workers. Whether that is a good or bad thing is debatable as well.
I get your point that the end is near. However,...
LOL...that's actually not my point at all. I am just pointing out that there will be some serious disruption going forward until we find our new normal.

The end is not near.
The end has come for many professions, and it will continue. The entire reason for tools and technology is to perform tasks more quickly, more efficiently, and with less human capital. And our rate of increase in technology is rapid. What we have burgeoning is a consolidation of task accomplishment with less and less human input required.

Just one example: When self driving cars happen, there goes -

public transport jobs

long haul trucking jobs

local delivery jobs (small format autonomous delivery is already testing)

parking lots/garages and all associated expert construction, attendants, security, etc. (the cars won't wait hours anywhere for occupants, they move on to the next pickup) Heck, you won't even need a driveway or an excuse for why your garage is so full of junk you can't fit a car in there.

gas stations, and especially convenience stores (refuels/battery charges handled by the fleet owners)

The number of vehicles required goes down. One study said one autonomous vehicle could replace 8 taxis if people could wait 5 minutes, or a 1 for 12 drop if they had 15 minutes. That then applies to everyone if people decide (or government decrees through environmental and safety initiatives) that individual ownership isn't that critical.

So the number of buyers goes down, ownership goes down, the need for varied vehicle designs goes down, maintenance and repair goes down through both fewer vehicles and the desire to make them easily replaceable rather than serviced. This leads to decreasing dealers, mechanics, painters, performance and appearance mods, etc.

Fuel consumption go down, which means reduced exploration, extraction, refining, and distribution. Half a barrel of oil today goes to automotive fuel (47% of oil used in the US), and overall demand has been forecast to nearly halve with autonomous vehicles. That drop is only that low because of the anticipated growth of vehicle usage in less developed nations mitigating the decrease in vehicles in the first world from self driving.

Advertising changes, as no one is looking out on the road due to not being a driver. Billboards falter further, signage on stores is affected, drive through fast food drops. Radio loses more ground, again as there is no particular reason to have to keep your eyes on the road.

Brick and mortar retail is hit with less foot traffic as autonomous home delivery integrates seamlessly. Ride share will also likely reduce discrete jaunts to the store for no reason. Add in increased automation in browsing and checkout, and fewer staff are needed along with shorter hours.

That's if self driving takes over. Desire for vehicle ownership is already down along generational lines, as the economic crisis, increased desire for urban living, decreases in desire to start families and environmental mindset have put millions off of buying already (can't afford the luxury of a car, don't need the luxury of a car for commuting, don't need the luxury of a car to ferry anyone else in a household, find the luxury of a car not worth the environmental impact). But, preferences could swing back the other way. But, that's only private vehicles, and the potential impact is massive. But hey, why would we give up traffic jams, car crashes, and drunk driving deaths?
Loss of jobs because an industry is not needed anymore is a problem if other things don't need to be made. Things that can be traded for other goods or services. Things that the imagination creates in our mind first then becomes reality through work.

So until I get my private space ship that'll fit in my garage, I doubt the loss of horse shoeing business or camera business is going to cause worker's to not be able to find something to work on. It just frees them up to work on other things that will be useful to customers.
I did point that out already. Even trades are not an issue. I was point out a device that eliminated a half dozen technologies, or equipment related to them, more accurately.
Is the pool of wealth limited and some have taken more than their fair share? Or, is it limitless and all you have to do is go take your cup and dip into it? No right answer since it is meant to show the mindset of the person answering. Now get out there and make me a fine cup of coffee that I can pay $6 for (another new industry).
Yeah, do those Baristas make a living wage? I think you get my point.
 
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I agree that the Smartphone is better than the items it replaced, it's just that we talk offen of how the Smartphone has replaced the camera, but it's replaced other items also. The big advantage is everything is now in one pocket size device that you always have with you.

Alarm clocks and Watch sales must be down also.
I no longer wear a watch because of smartphones.
 
Self driving cars are not a profession (and we're a long way from them becoming practical).

Keeping this to photography, there's a tipping point where you go from artist to artisan. That's just an easy and convenient phrase, let's not debate the semantics.

People are rediscovering film and printing. People are rediscovering large format cameras. If anything there's an uptick, not a continuing downhill spiral. I doubt we will see a complete renaissance of film, but enough sustained interest to keep it going in a small way.

Yes, we "old people" do talk about "those days" fondly. They were pretty amazing. We lost a bit of the "I did that" with digital. It's too immediate, even if you spent hours in Photoshop (noun, not verb).
 
Likewise vinyl has made a huge comeback.
As of January 2019 vinyl is only 2.7% of total album sales and still well short of CDs with streaming and digital downloads being by far the major seller. 2.7% is a long, long, long way from being a huge comeback. The fact is that both vinyl and CDs will never be more than a niche' market going into the future.


Back in 1999 the Backstreet Boys album Millenium had 9,446,000 sales by itself making the total vinyl sales of 16.8 mil in 2018 look rather small my comparison. One thing in favor of the compact disk is it is far easier to make a digital copy than with a vinyl record.
 
I agree that the Smartphone is better than the items it replaced, it's just that we talk offen of how the Smartphone has replaced the camera, but it's replaced other items also. The big advantage is everything is now in one pocket size device that you always have with you.

Alarm clocks and Watch sales must be down also.
I no longer wear a watch because of smartphones.
I no longer carry a cell phone because of smart watches. :-D

Not only will my Apple Watch make calls on the road while my cell phone is at home, it will record a ECG trace of my heart. Fancy for someone who is no longer a youngster.
 
Smartphones have brought more people to photography than everything else combined.
Yeah, 'cause selfies and pics with genitals are real artistic, along with blurry photographs of celebrities trying to have dinner and cat videos.
Great majority of pictures taken with film cameras and digital cameras later, were not art either. You see more of those lousy ones because of social media popularity, not because photos got worse. Perhaps with the exception of selfies.
 
I'm not going to knock people recording bits of their lives as images, like a visual diary. It less art and more capturing a moment to remember. There's something to that.

But there is a whole lot of "visual noise" out there to sift through.
 
I'm not going to knock people recording bits of their lives as images, like a visual diary. It less art and more capturing a moment to remember. There's something to that.

But there is a whole lot of "visual noise" out there to sift through.
Not sure how "art" came to this thread at all. It is not about "art", it is about taking pictures in general. At least this is how I took it.
 
I'm not going to knock people recording bits of their lives as images, like a visual diary. It less art and more capturing a moment to remember. There's something to that.

But there is a whole lot of "visual noise" out there to sift through.
Not sure how "art" came to this thread at all. It is not about "art", it is about taking pictures in general. At least this is how I took it.
You're right and I'm being generous with the word "art".
 
Smartphones have brought more people to photography than everything else combined.
Yeah, 'cause selfies and pics with genitals are real artistic, along with blurry photographs of celebrities trying to have dinner and cat videos.
Still, it seems likely that with so many more folks taking photos that there are likely more people getting interested in the real art/craft of photography...
 
Smartphones have brought more people to photography than everything else combined.
Yeah, 'cause selfies and pics with genitals are real artistic, along with blurry photographs of celebrities trying to have dinner and cat videos.

I feel so blessed, i live in the golden era of photography. There' s so much art around my eyes are bleeding whenever i visit facebook to see the newest fake political russian ads.
Any one of those "shot on iPhone" winners would beat anything 90% of larger camera users have taken in their entire lives.
 
Self driving cars are not a profession (and we're a long way from them becoming practical).
And neither are cell phones. Doesn’t mean their existence does not cause a great deal of disruption among the professions tangential to them.
Keeping this to photography, there's a tipping point where you go from artist to artisan. That's just an easy and convenient phrase, let's not debate the semantics.

People are rediscovering film and printing. People are rediscovering large format cameras. If anything there's an uptick, not a continuing downhill spiral. I doubt we will see a complete renaissance of film, but enough sustained interest to keep it going in a small way.

Yes, we "old people" do talk about "those days" fondly. They were pretty amazing. We lost a bit of the "I did that" with digital. It's too immediate, even if you spent hours in Photoshop (noun, not verb).
 

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