Another “which telephoto zoom lens” question for travel/general use

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About 7% of my photo inventory is shot in the range of 70-200mm and only 8% are above that with most of them taken at 700-800mm on my M4/3 gear. The f2.8GM is out of the question. I’m split between the 70-200/f4G or an adapted Canon which is less than half the cost of the Sony. The third alternative is to just use my E55-210 in crop mode.

What do you recommend especially those who’ve used the crop lens.

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I’ve been shooting M4/3 and APS-C for the past few years. I did try an A7 a few years ago but it didn’t thrill me nor did the Z24-70/f4 I had then. Sold both. At the time I liked Sony’s APS-C bodies but the lenses were mostly a bit soft at the edges and corners for my travel/landscapes. I only shoot wildlife when I see it rather than go looking for it.

I’ve been really happy with M4/3 for the past 18months since getting an EM1.2 and some good lenses. For reach for say birds and wildlife, the PL100-400 on the Oly is hard to beat. I’d previously sworn off going back to FF due to the higher end lens costs. And that remains, as I’m retired so although comfortable, money does matter. But I like to indulge my hobby. And then a few weeks ago I was scanning our local eBay listings and picked up a near mint A7RII + kit lens and a bunch of batteries for a very good price. I frankly was surprised I won the auction. So here I am with the camera, 28-70 and since bought a Samyang 24/f2.8. I feel I should add a longer FF lens to augment them without resorting to my existing APS-C lenses. I have a A6300 + 18-135, a 55-210, Canon 10-18 + adapter and a Sigma 19. I’m actually surprised how good the three zooms look in crop mode to be honest. In fact the 55-210 is isn’t bad at all. But I really should give those 42Mp a FF lens for when I want longer than 70mm. So......

I had thought of the 24-105G. I’m sure it’s a top lens, but I still want to go longer. Beside my 28-70 is a very good copy. It put it as better than the Zony 24-70 I had though no doubt the A7RII is a better camera in every respect than my old A7. So I’ve ruled the 24-105.

I’m thinking about getting a 70-200/f4G. I thought about the 70-300G but the DXO scores are not so flash from 200 to 300. Plus, I’ll be keeping the M4/3 gear at least for now. I have 200-800mm covered with that format. The IQ is perfectly fine for my needs. I simply couldn’t get close to that IQ without spending far too much and burdening my bags AND BACK!

I did a study of my archive of focal lengths last night. Only 8% of my keepers are over 200mm though I shoot about twice that as a percentage. Of the rest, 85% are up to 70mm. So only 7% are between 70-200mm. Though they make up an important part of the inventory.

So do I buy:
  1. A new or used Sony 70-200/f4 G or
  2. A used Canon 70-200/f4 IS or non-IS for about half the Sony (I realise the AF performance will be lower than the Sony and that is a concern) or
  3. Just keep using the E55-210 in crop mode.
I can pick up a new Sony for about AU$1350 (US$1000 approx) on sale for the next few days only so time is important.

Appreciate your thoughts.
 
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I’m split between the 70-200/f4G or an adapted Canon which is less than half the cost of the Sony.

Appreciate your thoughts.
I have the Canon EF 70-200 f/4L IS from my Canon days and love it for travel on the A7Rii with Metabones IV.

It's wonderful for landscape and nature photography.

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6. Blue Heron fishing

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7. Seagulls attacking American Coot's food - bread thrown by people on the shore

7. Seagulls attacking American Coot's food - bread thrown by people on the shore

8. American Coot

8. American Coot

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Two weaknesses:
  • AF-C not so good
  • AF in low light not so good
I don't use the lens in those situations, so...
Don't use the camera in crop mode, do it on post.

Did you consider 24-240 ??
 
Personally, I am going to keep using 24 MP APS-C cameras with long lenses. Larger, aliased pixels seem like a downgrade to me.

Do you want to carry a 70-200 F2.8 around when traveling? I recently bought a used Sigma 70-200 EX DG OS APO HSM + Sony LA-EA4 for $530. It works fine on the LA-EA3 too. It is the best x-200 F2.8 zoom I've tried so far. I am not sure I'll keep it since it is so big and heavy.

I paid $345 for a used Sony A 70-300 G SSM II. It is easier to find the original version for this price. Both have Lens Compensation support on the A7 series. It makes some sense to buy the native FE OSS version. It is fairly expensive for a "budget" lens.

I've kept a used Tamron SP 70-300 Di USD that I bought for $150. It is a bit bigger, heavier, and slower than the Sony A-mount lens.

I haven't tried any EF mount telephoto zooms, but I am sure they work at least as well as the A-mount options on the LA-EA3. They won't have in body Lens Compensation support like adapted SSM lenses.

The big AF sensor in the LA-EA4 has some focus sensing advantages. You can use it with older lenses like the 1985 Minolta 70-210 F4, 1986 Minolta 75-300, and 1987 Minolta 80-200 F2.8 APO. I was trying it with a Minolta 28-135 F4-4.5 yesterday.

Adapting a 28-300 could be cheaper than the FE 24-240 OSS, but that lens also make some sense.
 
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Personally, I am going to keep using 24 MP APS-C cameras with long lenses. Larger, aliased pixels seem like a downgrade to me.
That option is of course open to me as I will likely keep the A6300 and the Emount lenses I have. Though when I’m without a car, I will limit what I carry. My RX100VI will be a handy standin on those occasions.
Do you want a 70-200 F2.8? I recently bought a used Sigma 70-200 EX DG OS APO HSM + Sony LA-EA4 for $530. It works fine on the LA-EA3 too. It is the best x-200 F2.8 zoom I've tried so far. I am not sure I'll keep it since it is so big and heavy.
No, like you weight is a consideration. Besides, f4.0 is fine for most of my shoots. In low light I’m more likely to use a small prime.
I paid $345 for a used Sony A 70-300 G SSM II. It is easier to find the original version for this price. Both have Lens Compensation support on the series.

I've kept a used Tamron SP 70-300 Di USD that I bought for $150. It is a bit bigger, heavier, and slower than the Sony A-mount lens.
A few years ago I had a Canon 70-300L with my A6300. IQ was fine but too big and unbalanced on that body. The Sony G isn’t much smaller either so I have discounted buying one.
I haven't tried any EF mount telephoto zooms, but I am sure they work at least as well as the A-mount options on the LA-EA3. They won't have in body Lens Compensation support like adapted SSM lenses.
My experience with EF mounts has been good on both the A6300 and even better on the A7RII with a Canon 10-18 though it’s an EF-S.
The big AF sensor in the LA-EA4 has some focus sensing advantages. You can use it with older lenses like the 1985 Minolta 70-210 F4, 1986 Minolta 75-300, and 1987 Minolta 80-200 F2.8 APO. I was trying it with a Minolta 28-135 F4-4.5 yesterday.
I have no interest in old lenses despite cost advantages. I have no legacy glass at all.
Adapting a 28-300 could be cheaper than the FE 24-240 OSS, but that lens also make some sense.
For this body, I think a superzoom isn’t the right way to go. I like the weight and size of the 28-70 and it covers 85% of my used focal lengths. I’m quite happy to switch a lens when needed though not enough to go all primes.

Thanks for your input and thoughts. It all helps.
 
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Don't use the camera in crop mode, do it on post.
Good point... will try that.
Did you consider 24-240 ??
No, I hadn’t. Reviews seemed mixed. How do you find it on your R3? Care to share an example in full res?
I see the 24-240 falls away even starting at 100mm. If it was in the same class as the Olympus 12-100/f4 Pro, it would be a great lens. But I find that one right on the limit of a walk around size.

Like I have said, I really like the kit lens. I’m surprised how much better it is on the R2 vs one I had on an A7. I switched that one for a Z24-70 only to find it was scarcely any better.
 
I'd go for the FE 70-300: the 70-200 4.0, like the huge majority of fixed aperture 70-200 lenses, is rather long, making it sometimes difficult to fit in to smaller/more compact bags or lens pouches (143mm vs 175mm), making the 70-300 often easier to take along.

Weight is nearly the same.

The 70-300 also gives you the 201-300mm range as an extra.

Many reports say that the 70-200 4.0 isn't that great at 200mm, though many of its Fan..., er, owners, will contest that.

On the other hand, the 70-300 apparently has pretty much sample variation, which could also account for some lackluster tests.
 
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I do not shoot very long , favouring the wide end . However the 42mp sensor allows for some generous cropping . If I switch to APS mode with my 24-105mm , the effective focal length stretches to 157.5mm which is long enough for my needs. Of the 7% you shoot between 70-200mm how many are north of 157.5mm ?
 
If your happy with the A6300 and 55-210 pics stay with it. The 70-200, f/4, would be a considerable upgrade in IQ to use with the A6300.



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Sony R1, NEX C3 & 5R ,Sony A7.
Lenses: 24mm, f/1.8, FE 24-70, f/4, & FE 70-200, f/4.
Nikon V1 + 10-30 & 30-110 lenses.
 
i have the 70-200f4 and it is a very good and not too heavy lens.

but i am of the lighter and smaller is better agenda, so i bought the zeiss 135f2.8 for my a7r3. i just got back from a 2week in cabo trip with whale photos. i only took the 28f2 and the 135 lens. i am pleased with this solution. cropping worked very well in post and the detail of the 135 is good enough for tight crops.

of course this is not a cheap lens but is better than the 70-200 and lighter.
 
I’m split between the 70-200/f4G or an adapted Canon which is less than half the cost of the Sony.

Appreciate your thoughts.
I have the Canon EF 70-200 f/4L IS from my Canon days and love it for travel on the A7Rii with Metabones IV.

It's wonderful for landscape and nature photography.

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6. Blue Heron fishing

6. Blue Heron fishing

7. Seagulls attacking American Coot's food - bread thrown by people on the shore

7. Seagulls attacking American Coot's food - bread thrown by people on the shore

8. American Coot

8. American Coot

Photographing people:

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10.

10.

Two weaknesses:
  • AF-C not so good
  • AF in low light not so good
I don't use the lens in those situations, so they are not an issue with me.

- Richard

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http://www.rsjphoto.net
 
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I use the 70-200/F4 as a travel lens. It is reasonably light and fits in a small shoulder bag. It gives me good flexibility in that range and I am OK covering the rest with primes. More importantly, I get images that I like with it.



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Thanks for all the replies everyone. Going through them now as they were overnight for me here in Australia.
 
I'd go for the FE 70-300: the 70-200 4.0, like the huge majority of fixed aperture 70-200 lenses, is rather long, making it sometimes difficult to fit in to smaller/more compact bags or lens pouches (143mm vs 175mm), making the 70-300 often easier to take along.

Weight is nearly the same.

The 70-300 also gives you the 201-300mm range as an extra.
Thanks, I am giving the 70-300 another look. Size difference isn’t an issue as I will use my Thinktank Sling which carries a similar sized PL100-400.
Many reports say that the 70-200 4.0 isn't that great at 200mm, though many of its Fan..., er, owners, will contest that.
Yes I’ve seen that too. It does seem to be in early production though. Later ones seem good. The DXO copy must have been great. Softness at the edges would be a problem for me.
On the other hand, the 70-300 apparently has pretty much sample variation, which could also account for some lackluster tests.
This is an aspect that turned me off Sony a couple years ago. I was very disappointed with both the 16-70Z and 24-70Z lenses I had. For the money they should have been better. Buying them seems like a lottery. And their replies were, “they are in spec”! All my M4/3 lenses have been stellar.
 
I do not shoot very long , favouring the wide end . However the 42mp sensor allows for some generous cropping . If I switch to APS mode with my 24-105mm , the effective focal length stretches to 157.5mm which is long enough for my needs. Of the 7% you shoot between 70-200mm how many are north of 157.5mm ?
Thanks Jim. Initially I thought the 24-105 would be the way to go. But when I received the camera and lightweight kit lens, I thought it nice to handle and covers 85% of my photos. I’ve been shooting the slightly smaller 12-100 (to the 24-105) for 18 months and its more than I prefer for a walkaround.
 
Thanks Jerry. Nice compositions. They make me jealous we don’t have a decent zoo nearby. They did confirm one thing for me though. With 800mm eqv FL on tap, my EM1.2 and 100-400 does all I need beyond 200mm.
 
I’m split between the 70-200/f4G or an adapted Canon which is less than half the cost of the Sony.

Appreciate your thoughts.
I have the Canon EF 70-200 f/4L IS from my Canon days and love it for travel on the A7Rii with Metabones IV.

It's wonderful for landscape and nature photography.

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6. Blue Heron fishing

6. Blue Heron fishing

Photographing people:

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Thanks Richard, with shots like these, it does indicate what I could expect from the Canon. The child shot in particular shows sharpness as good as one needs.
Two weaknesses:
  • AF-C not so good
  • AF in low light not so good
I don't use the lens in those situations, so they are not an issue with me.

- Richard
Tests with my only remaining Canon lens on a Fotodiox adapter have very acceptable AF on my R2. Much better than even my A6300.

For what the sell used, less than half that even a used Sony, I might have found something I can justify. Getting closer...

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Quote: “If your pictures aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough.”, Robert Capa
 
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Thanks Richard, with shots like these, it does indicate what I could expect from the Canon. The child shot in particular shows sharpness as good as one needs.
Telephoto zoom lenses work well for people. You mentioned that you have the Panasonic-Leica 100-400mm, as do I, and have used it on occasion for photographing people informally. Here, @150mm (=300mm). A nice, comfortable working distance of about 9 - 10 feet.

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Having the PL makes this decision all the more difficult. I could simply put that lens and GX9 in a bag with the A7RII and know I can cover most anything. Even just taking the nice little Sony 18-135mm would get me th same reach cropped.

At times, we have to watch out for GAS when you get a nice buy like the A7RII was. ;-)
 

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