D850 Colors feel unsaturated and pastel-like

Then exif says 2 seconds exposure!?

And it was almost 9PM.

What colors do you expect at that hours?

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Here's an example:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cSfbzaPprgdDUaLD5wCqQK63Lc6e9mLo?usp=sharing

Wish I had a comparison with another camera for that shot but I would say the sky looked far more orange and rich. Maybe i'm just tripping out I don't know.
Ok, then majority of advice given here stands. 1) learn to expose appropriately, example here looks slightly overexposed and washed out, 2) get used to setting different profiles in LR and finding ones your prefer and/or suit different scenarios, then also tweaking vibrancy, saturation, contrast, etc. I find the auto function in LR normally gives a decent starting point, from LR v7 and up that is, 3) learn about setting white balance. This is critical for a natural, authentic color reproduction. 4) learn a bit about color management and creating custom profiles for your camera/lenses using a color checker card.

Your image itself is beautiful and looks like a workable starting point!

As to why you are observing differences between "unprocessed" RAW's from your D850 vs DF in LR, I have no idea, and doesn't really matter to be honest!
 
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Then exif says 2 seconds exposure!?

And it was almost 9PM.

What colors do you expect at that hours?
Plenty! Depending on time of year, weather and latitude! His "unprocessed" photo just looks a bit washed out, maybe a bit overexposed, that's all
 
Here's an example:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cSfbzaPprgdDUaLD5wCqQK63Lc6e9mLo?usp=sharing

Wish I had a comparison with another camera for that shot but I would say the sky looked far more orange and rich. Maybe i'm just tripping out I don't know.
..so did you want to take pictures in the dark?

..below are a couple of pictures taken with my D5 camera..

..D5 camera, @ iso16,000..
..D5 camera, @ iso16,000..

..D5 camera, @ iso16,000..
..D5 camera, @ iso16,000..

..happy shooting my friend,

..Cheers..
 
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Here's an example:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cSfbzaPprgdDUaLD5wCqQK63Lc6e9mLo?usp=sharing

Wish I had a comparison with another camera for that shot but I would say the sky looked far more orange and rich. Maybe i'm just tripping out I don't know.
The colors in the above pic seem unsaturated and pastel-like because the colors at the scene at that time of day are unsaturated and pastel like. The whole pic is out of focus as well, which doesn't help.

The D850 is no different from any other recent Nikon body in that the colors are plenty saturated if the right profile is selected. I recommend Camera Standard in LR/ACR. This Imaging Resource studio raw is a good starting point:



Imaging Resource w Camera Standard.
Imaging Resource w Camera Standard.

When opened in Camera Standard it should be very strong but not overcranked. All the various swatches, labels, yarns etc. should have plenty of pop. If not, then you have a monitor that needs to be adjusted or replaced.
 
You can always tart up the pic to taste :^)

CC/Topaz Adjust
CC/Topaz Adjust
 
Im far from an expert in anything that would inspire a confident opinion on this matter however I have noticed this since purchasing a D850. I came from a Nikon DF and loved the camera. Ultimately the AF system was just too poor for me and the D850's Af system has been nothing short of miraculous. Again I want to couch this as very subjective but I've noticed that while shooting with the D850 certain colors just look off and are very hard to recover in processing. Oranges look pink and pastel like. Everything looks thin and de-saturated. I'm perfectly happy to chalk this up to poor lighting and skillsets but I never noticed anything like it with the DF. Has anyone else noticed similar subjective feelings about the D850?
Are you shooting RAW or jpeg? Most of my RAW images look pretty uninspiring when I first import them into Lightroom. Lightroom just applies the default Adobe Color profile and can look dull and some colors are just downright off, especially indoors shots under artificial lighting. One thing at a time I suppose, but you may want to do some research in to color management, get a color checker card to make custom profiles, etc.
Yeah Adobe lightroom profiles suck with D850 bringing in straight RAW files. Bring into Capture NX-D, then some light processing then jepg it, or TIFF export. Then you can bring the TIFF file into lightroom and LR won't be able to apply their bad profiles because it's a TIFF file. Then work the TIFF file in LR like you are used to.
 
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Im far from an expert in anything that would inspire a confident opinion on this matter however I have noticed this since purchasing a D850. I came from a Nikon DF and loved the camera. Ultimately the AF system was just too poor for me and the D850's Af system has been nothing short of miraculous. Again I want to couch this as very subjective but I've noticed that while shooting with the D850 certain colors just look off and are very hard to recover in processing. Oranges look pink and pastel like. Everything looks thin and de-saturated. I'm perfectly happy to chalk this up to poor lighting and skillsets but I never noticed anything like it with the DF. Has anyone else noticed similar subjective feelings about the D850?
Are you shooting RAW or jpeg? Most of my RAW images look pretty uninspiring when I first import them into Lightroom. Lightroom just applies the default Adobe Color profile and can look dull and some colors are just downright off, especially indoors shots under artificial lighting. One thing at a time I suppose, but you may want to do some research in to color management, get a color checker card to make custom profiles, etc.
Yeah Adobe lightroom profiles suck with D850 bringing in straight RAW files.
Not in the opinion of many. Highlights and shadows are much better handled in the Develop panel than Silkypix/CNX-D.
Bring into Capture NX-D, then some light processing then jepg it, or TIFF export. Then you can bring the TIFF file into lightroom and LR won't be able to apply their bad profiles because it's a TIFF file. Then work the TIFF file in LR like you are used to.
Way too much work.
 
Here's how I would process it, but of course, it comes down to personal taste. Once I opened the NEF in LR, I started with 'camera standard' and tweaked from there. TBH, I thought it looked pretty good before I even did anything. Going by the histogram, exposure seemed reasonable.

I think what you're seeing here is just due to the natural setting and lighting for that time of day. It does have a soft, pastel look, but I kind of like it. I definitely don't think there's anything wrong with your D850. You're shooting RAW, so you have a ton of possibilities. I would definitely use one of the camera calibration profiles as a starting point. I find Adobe Standard kind of bland, but the other profiles will mimic the Nikon "look". Camera neutral is great if you want to do heavy processing, but Standard is a nice starting point (although a bit too contrasty for me sometimes).

Wherever you are, be glad you're not in Ohio! It seems like 90% of the days here this winter have been a constant overcast sky. Talk about unsaturated colors! Anyway, good luck!



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Im far from an expert in anything that would inspire a confident opinion on this matter however I have noticed this since purchasing a D850. I came from a Nikon DF and loved the camera. Ultimately the AF system was just too poor for me and the D850's Af system has been nothing short of miraculous. Again I want to couch this as very subjective but I've noticed that while shooting with the D850 certain colors just look off and are very hard to recover in processing. Oranges look pink and pastel like. Everything looks thin and de-saturated. I'm perfectly happy to chalk this up to poor lighting and skillsets but I never noticed anything like it with the DF. Has anyone else noticed similar subjective feelings about the D850?
Are you shooting RAW or jpeg? Most of my RAW images look pretty uninspiring when I first import them into Lightroom. Lightroom just applies the default Adobe Color profile and can look dull and some colors are just downright off, especially indoors shots under artificial lighting. One thing at a time I suppose, but you may want to do some research in to color management, get a color checker card to make custom profiles, etc.
Yeah Adobe lightroom profiles suck with D850 bringing in straight RAW files.
Not in the opinion of many. Highlights and shadows are much better handled in the Develop panel than Silkypix/CNX-D.
Bring into Capture NX-D, then some light processing then jepg it, or TIFF export. Then you can bring the TIFF file into lightroom and LR won't be able to apply their bad profiles because it's a TIFF file. Then work the TIFF file in LR like you are used to.
Way too much work.
I have to agree. I started off with the Capture NX-D to LR process in the belief that I needed/wanted to retain the authenticity of Nikon’s profile to maximum extent possible. It was indeed a very laborious process and when I learned to create my own camera/lens profiles I abandoned that completely. Now in LR I can post process most images to my satisfaction within seconds, spending more time with some of them as I see fit.
 
Here's how I would process it, but of course, it comes down to personal taste. Once I opened the NEF in LR, I started with 'camera standard' and tweaked from there. TBH, I thought it looked pretty good before I even did anything. Going by the histogram, exposure seemed reasonable.

I think what you're seeing here is just due to the natural setting and lighting for that time of day. It does have a soft, pastel look, but I kind of like it. I definitely don't think there's anything wrong with your D850. You're shooting RAW, so you have a ton of possibilities. I would definitely use one of the camera calibration profiles as a starting point. I find Adobe Standard kind of bland, but the other profiles will mimic the Nikon "look". Camera neutral is great if you want to do heavy processing, but Standard is a nice starting point (although a bit too contrasty for me sometimes).

Wherever you are, be glad you're not in Ohio! It seems like 90% of the days here this winter have been a constant overcast sky. Talk about unsaturated colors! Anyway, good luck!

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It’s nice. See what Op means though. Op, how about some pics at other times of day, other conditions? Post them. Lets take a look...
 
Hi. There are many knowledgeable comments in this thread & I am not a D850 owner but have rented/ borrowed it for extended trips more than a dozen times and have not found the "instrument" anything but precise. It does not mean that there isn't a problem with your specific unit.

Looking at your sample on a simple tool (Nikon's Capture) rather than LR or DxO it seems your focus is on the water below the central bank, it is a 2 sec exposure and that decreasing the exposure by 1ev brings back the contrast i.e it is to my mind it is over exposed. Perhaps that was your intention but I personally would not amongst other things over expose to that degree on such a scene.

Below is the screenshot where I have reduced the exposure by 1ev.





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Nikon Capture
 
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Nice image! A lot to work with. The D850 is the best ever in my opinion. Nothing wrong with yours.
 

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Here's an example:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cSfbzaPprgdDUaLD5wCqQK63Lc6e9mLo?usp=sharing

Wish I had a comparison with another camera for that shot but I would say the sky looked far more orange and rich. Maybe i'm just tripping out I don't know.
My advice for the photo you posted is go back and try again either in the early hours after dawn or later around dusk because that's generally when you have the best light. Maybe that's not possible because you took the photo last summer.

I agree with others here that your photo was a little over-exposed and blurry / out of focus, probably because you took the photo at night. Because this is actually a night photo, I don't think this is a white balance issue.

As you know, a D850 is an expensive camera and demands the best lenses. Call me crazy, but I see subtle differences in color and sharpness that depend on the lens irrespective of the camera. I'm guessing the lens you used is a Nikkor 35mm f/2. If so, you should consider upgrading to one on the following list: https://www.dxomark.com/nikon-af-s-nikkor-35mm-f1.8g-ed-awesome-performer .

I don't recommend using vivid in LR if you can help it. I prefer neutral because it's easier to add and refine changes in post processing (true even if not using LR).

I learned my lesson not to fool with other photographer's photos, but I liked yours because it reminded me of an ink blot, especially on the right side of the photo.

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Here's an example:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cSfbzaPprgdDUaLD5wCqQK63Lc6e9mLo?usp=sharing

Wish I had a comparison with another camera for that shot but I would say the sky looked far more orange and rich. Maybe i'm just tripping out I don't know.
My advice for the photo you posted is go back and try again either in the early hours after dawn or later around dusk because that's generally when you have the best light. Maybe that's not possible because you took the photo last summer.

I agree with others here that your photo was a little over-exposed and blurry / out of focus, probably because you took the photo at night. Because this is actually a night photo, I don't think this is a white balance issue.

As you know, a D850 is an expensive camera and demands the best lenses. Call me crazy, but I see subtle differences in color and sharpness that depend on the lens irrespective of the camera. I'm guessing the lens you used is a Nikkor 35mm f/2. If so, you should consider upgrading to one on the following list: https://www.dxomark.com/nikon-af-s-nikkor-35mm-f1.8g-ed-awesome-performer .

I don't recommend using vivid in LR if you can help it. I prefer neutral because it's easier to add and refine changes in post processing (true even if not using LR).

I learned my lesson not to fool with other photographer's photos, but I liked yours because it reminded me of an ink blot, especially on the right side of the photo.

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In my rendition I added a bit of sky in Photoshop in order to get the top of the tree in the pic. When shooting prime, I always recommend taking two or more shots and stitch to get it all in when needed. The 35D is actually quite sharp at f8 except for the extreme corners as long as the sun is well away from the frame.
 
Shoot Raw -> import to Lightroom -> tweak photo. All using default settings on both camera and lightroom.
Default settings are lousy in Adobe. But---you can create your own Develop Preset, which once created, can be applied to your files at the time of Import.

1.Find a shot that is exemplary.

2. In Develop, dial and tune the color/contrast/etc until it looks good according to your own personal preferences.

3. Create a user preset in Develop, and apply that user preset upon your next import.
 
There is an excess of magenta in the white balance profile that you used for this picture.

Since this is ( according to what you said ) a problem for all the pictures you have been taking with the D850 it seems that this is not just something that happened because such was the light at the time you took the picture.

I would go to the white balance profile that you used and fine tune it making a correction in the vertical axis, by increasing the green.
 
Well, I just recently upgraded from a D800E to the D850, and got a chance to run a test shoot in the studio with a model or two, using the same space and same lighting as I have for every Nikon DSLR I've owned or evaluated since 2003 or so, which goes back to the D100 and includes the D70, D80, D2X, D300, D90S, D7000, D700, D610, DF, and so on, and I see no problems with colors either in accuracy or saturation.

Problem lies beyond the camera - either you've botched some setting in camera, or you're using a poor raw converter or using a raw converter with the incorrect settings.

-m
 
And you say you process the D850 "default settings" raws into Lightroom with the "default settings" in there as well, which could mean anything times two.
 
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