Tamron 17-28mm f/2.8 Di III RXD for Sony FE coming on the 20th of February SR5 rumor

liopleurodon said:

golfhov said:

liopleurodon said:

golfhov said:

We will see. Samyang killed it on the 35(minus the motor) but came up short on the 24. I am hoping lightning strikes twice. I also wonder if they will price too low again......

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That motor is why I have the Zony 35/2.8. The Samyang is too noisy in video.

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and they gave you a silent motor with the 24 but meh optics.....

It just is what it is. It is rare to find budget lenses that really shine in all departments. Even those that do still have shortcomings BUT then it is a matter of if those shortcomings are worth the other advantages

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Agreed.

liopleurodon said:

liopleurodon said:

I can't see why anyone would choose a Rebel DSLR over an M50 if price isn't an issue.

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In some markets the M series greatly outsells their DSLRs. Part of it is just market practice. In the USA you can find a Canon in most stores that sell a camera. IT may be a very basic model but for the inexperienced they just don't know any better.

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That's a good point.

liopleurodon said:

liopleurodon said:

It has a number of usability advantages over my Sony gear. Canon's touch and drag for moving an AF point is lightyears ahead of Sony's with zero lag and a nice precise feel.

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not gonna argue that. I really thought that Sony had a religious beef with touch screens for a while

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Irony is that my AX100, an older Sony product, has a touchscreen that works very well and lets you use it for playback, menus, etc.

liopleurodon said:

liopleurodon said:

When shooting with the rear LCD can tap a subject on my a7 III and it will focus on it, but that's it. Focus stays exactly where on the screen I tapped. In the Canon system you tap the subject and it tracks it like you'd expect it to, expanding and shrinking the number of points used as needed.

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uhh........am I missing something here? Expanded flexible spot, AFC, tap on it and then engage focus.......this is already pretty good and is supposed to get even better soon

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I should have provided more information. I like shooting in wide or zone AF and just narrowing down when I need to as wide/zone work just fine most of the time. Procedure to do so on my a7 III is switch from general purpose zone/wide AF to Lock-on expandable flex spot, tap the subject, press/hold AF-ON. On the M50 its just tap the subject. The results of Sony's system are better as it tracks better, Canon's is easier/quicker to activate. I want Sony's results with Canon's ease of use .

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Gotcha. I need to read further on the upcoming firmware. For the record I am not a defender of all things Sony. Although I am kind of curious why you use wide or zone if you constantly override? It works pretty well in expanded flexible and you have multiple input methods

liopleurodon said:

liopleurodon said:

liopleurodon said:

It also works like a charm in video. It would be nice to tap and define a subject for the camera to track with my a7 III.

Canon's bodies always feel great to use and have very usable controls.

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I dunno about "always" I think they have a very good track record. BUT I am not giving them always. On the R I don't care for the MFn bar and I don't like the rear wheel location. Sorry, for all the praise some get I don't think the ergos are great. Obviously this is an opinion and not fact

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Ergos are always an opinion I shouldn't have used always. I should have used almost always. I haven't shot with an EOS R so I'll take your word for it.

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Nope. Don't listen to me. Try for yourself. There are a few that love the Mfn bar......

I also think I am the only person to say anything about the rear wheel

liopleurodon said:

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Plus DPAF is where it's at for video.

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DPAF is nice. Too bad they cripple the heck out of their video. The RP they completely removed the ability to use the DPAF with video as a way to differentiate the products

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That's the worst part of Canon as a consumer. Artificial segmentation. DPAF is Canon's killer app, a great differentiator. It should be everywhere.

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Welcome to Canon.......

liopleurodon said:

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But they are missing features I use.

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A lot.......obviously there will be those who buy into the Canon R line who aren't as worried about said features.

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Its a laundry list of things I use all the time.

liopleurodon said:

liopleurodon said:

I can forgive the lack of IBIS provided the lenses are all stabilized (looks like RF's f/2.8 zooms will all have stabilization), but I don't want cropped 4k.

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Well remember the a7iii is cropped to 1.2. Not as bad as 1.7 on a $3300 camera......(but now 1.3?)

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For 30p yes, but 24p is uncropped (beyond the fact there will always be some sort of "crop" when recording 16:9 video on a 3:2 sensor). I record plenty of family indoor video in 24p. You get the full sensor 6k->4k downsample with the slightly slower shutter making for very clean footage even in very low light.

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Yeah I wasn't insulting it. Just pointing out it was there.

liopleurodon said:

Canon's EOS R 4k crop is mystifying to me. The 5D IV uses a crop factor of 1.3x.

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It started at the same 1.7

liopleurodon said:

That's more livable.

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AND......you can use EFS lenses on the R but not the 5div so it is somewhat manageable . Somewhat......now I am advocating buying seperste video lenses......

liopleurodon said:

The EOS R has the same sensor and a newer chipset. Why can't it do it? Heat dissipation issues?

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Possible. It is also quite possible that it is just Canon's segmentation issues. If the RP wasn't artificially nuetered in multiple ways they couldn't justify the R price. Then they also couldn't justify whatever "pro" model they release and possible a separate "video" model........

I get it. These companies need to make a profit and in a contracting market it is difficult. As a market leader Canon seems to have decided to turn the screws on those loyal to them where most other manufacturers seem to be going out of thier way to give users a reason.

Nikon mimiced the a7iii and a7riii. Panasonic seems to have decided to try to go a little upscale. I am guessing Sigma will play the Foveon(sp?) Card .and Canon.......well they decided to be Canon.

WARNING OPINION coming. My two cents is they were watching the markets decided they needed to act and that the R was going to be good enough. That they could slap thier name on some middling stuff and out market the competition and bask in their triumph.they have tried to squeeze in discounts and incentives and it isn't working The RP and rumors of a pro model is a stop gap to try to stop the bleeding.

lattesweden said:

Seems we get a new zoom soon:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/tamron-17-28-f-2-8-di-iii-rxd-for-sony-fe/

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My most used lens range is 24-40 or 50. This is the range I use when walking around, especially travelling. This is the range where I want a zoom because I will be working quickly and not want to be lens swapping. It is also where I will be shooting things as they happen and most likely to miss shots if I am lens swapping.

24-105 maybe but I'd be comfortable with smaller in exchange for the size weight gains. with .

Now I'd add to my travel bag something around 15mm, generally for interiors and shots using loads of dof plus a 135 tele (and I'd swap to crop mode with the tele if I want a bit more reach, when travelling) and I would be a very happy traveller.

But a lens exchange point right on the 28mm border would give me nightmares and I barely care how good or how cheap the lenses are.

sportyaccordy said:

If anything, we will see 3rd party development accelerate as they now have more ROI justification. Here is the scary question though: will the bigger mounts prompt them to design lenses that leave Sony FE out in the cold? Will be interesting to see, and to be honest could prompt some switching.

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It won’t happen. Sony e-mount has become too big of a market to ignore, which is why we have the Tamron 28-75 2.8 that they can’t keep on the shelves.

Kansas Ron said:

There would be a potential for Canon/Nikon to incorporate a check for a genuine lens, not third-party into firmware.

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I don’t see this happening. I believe that the future availability of third party lenses is a must for Canon/Nikon to compete with Sony in mirrorless.

Kansas Ron said:

Similar to what Sony did with firmware update and 3rd party batteries. Canon had done that before also. Just update firmware on Canon to recognize a 3rd party lens and cripple some features. One way to try to force you to use their lenses.

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They haven't done that in 30 years with the EF mount, so I don't see the precedent. Plus Wasabi is still selling their FZ100 clones so Sony must have unlocked that feature.

Mike Fewster said:

lattesweden said:

Seems we get a new zoom soon:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/tamron-17-28-f-2-8-di-iii-rxd-for-sony-fe/

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My most used lens range is 24-40 or 50. This is the range I use when walking around, especially travelling. This is the range where I want a zoom because I will be working quickly and not want to be lens swapping. It is also where I will be shooting things as they happen and most likely to miss shots if I am lens swapping.

24-105 maybe but I'd be comfortable with smaller in exchange for the size weight gains. with .

Now I'd add to my travel bag something around 15mm, generally for interiors and shots using loads of dof plus a 135 tele (and I'd swap to crop mode with the tele if I want a bit more reach, when travelling) and I would be a very happy traveller.

But a lens exchange point right on the 28mm border would give me nightmares and I barely care how good or how cheap the lenses are.

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Do you actually own a full-frame camera?

sportyaccordy said:

captura said:

Mike Fewster said:

lattesweden said:

Seems we get a new zoom soon:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/tamron-17-28-f-2-8-di-iii-rxd-for-sony-fe/

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My most used lens range is 24-40 or 50. This is the range I use when walking around, especially travelling. This is the range where I want a zoom because I will be working quickly and not want to be lens swapping. It is also where I will be shooting things as they happen and most likely to miss shots if I am lens swapping.

24-105 maybe but I'd be comfortable with smaller in exchange for the size weight gains. with .

Now I'd add to my travel bag something around 15mm, generally for interiors and shots using loads of dof plus a 135 tele (and I'd swap to crop mode with the tele if I want a bit more reach, when travelling) and I would be a very happy traveller.

But a lens exchange point right on the 28mm border would give me nightmares and I barely care how good or how cheap the lenses are.

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Do you actually own a full-frame camera?

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I do. FL selection is personal. For me, 28-xx is unusable. It's not wide enough. Likewise, a 17-28 is in no man's land for me... again not wide enough for my UWA needs (architecture) and definitely not long enough to walk around with. I shoot 24-xx and mainly shoot at the ends... then for UWA I use a 14mm. Basically between my 14 and 24-85 I use the 24-85 99% of the time. This Tamron combo would have me constantly fumbling between the two zooms... nightmarish.

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I agree about 28mm, and a good reason not to get the new Tamron FE being announced to-morrow. A17-36 would be more useful.

Although I've had great fun shooting with ultra-wides.

sportyaccordy said:

I am glad Tamron is making these lenses but they are definitely not for everybody. I had the old EF mount 28-75 and while it was a decent lens it really lead me to loathe the 28-xx zoom. The only 28 I will get is the 28/2 for video.

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Why I avoided getting the FE 28, too.

lattesweden said:

Seems we get a new zoom soon:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/tamron-17-28-f-2-8-di-iii-rxd-for-sony-fe/

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This is really interesting to me. I like how it's the same diameter as the 28-75 but shorter and uses the same 67mm filters. The combination of the two really makes sense to me. Maybe they'll offer the two zooms together with a bit of a discount.

dotborg said:

lattesweden said:

Seems we get a new zoom soon:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/tamron-17-28-f-2-8-di-iii-rxd-for-sony-fe/

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This is really interesting to me. I like how it's the same diameter as the 28-75 but shorter and uses the same 67mm filters. The combination of the two really makes sense to me. Maybe they'll offer the two zooms together with a bit of a discount.

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Should mention that the same thing goes for anyone actually using the FE 28-70 kit lens.

Well, this new 17-28 should be announced in a few hours and then we'll get to know more about it. But I still wish it was a 17-35.

golfhov said:

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Well remember the a7iii is cropped to 1.2. Not as bad as 1.7 on a $3300 camera......(but now 1.3?)

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There is a crop factor on A7iii with 4K30p you sure ?

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uhh......I thought so. I just flicked it on and it looks like there is a small crop.......we both have access to google I assume

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per DPR

golfhov said:

"The Sony a7 III's video feature set is impressively broad, giving users a wide variety of tools to aid in exposure, focus and more. Here's what we think are the main points to be aware of.

Key takeaways:

• The a7 III's 4K/24p footage is oversampled from 6K capture with no field-of-view crop, resulting in very detailed footage
• 4K/30p footage is oversampled from 5K video capture with a 1.2x field-of-view crop, is only slightly less detailed than 4K/24p"

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https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a7-iii-review/10

unless I missed an update no crop at 24 and 1.2 at 30

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I'm asking because I never had noticed any cropping woth the A99ii in 4K. But I'll give it a check

Spec-wise, this is perfect for what I’ve been looking for, but will need to wait for reviews on how good (or bad) the videoAF is.

Mike Fewster said:

captura said:

dotborg said:

lattesweden said:

Seems we get a new zoom soon:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/tamron-17-28-f-2-8-di-iii-rxd-for-sony-fe/

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This is really interesting to me. I like how it's the same diameter as the 28-75 but shorter and uses the same 67mm filters. The combination of the two really makes sense to me. Maybe they'll offer the two zooms together with a bit of a discount.

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Should mention that the same thing goes for anyone actually using the FE 28-70 kit lens.

Well, this new 17-28 should be announced in a few hours and then we'll get to know more about it. But I still wish it was a 17-35.

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I'm pleased that you brought that up, I was just going to. I used to have the kit 28-70 and thought it was very under rated, especially for the price. A brilliant bargain incidentally on an APS-C. But it was more the 28mm bottom end length that made me get rid of it than the IQ.

And I agree on 17-35 if your other lens is a 28 to something. I dont mind a bit of overlap between the focal lengths of my zooms. It saves quite a lot of lens swapping as any lens is rarely at its best at its extreme focal lengthBesides, when things are happening fast, that little bit of flex space can be very useful in avoiding camera down time while you lens swap.

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I still have the FE 28-70 and use it with APS-C.I can't really justify getting the 28-75 right now, but I may get this one.

WRT the new Tamron 17-28, I'm not sure that I really need that either. I have the brilliant Tokina f2 14-20 pro which I use adapted on my Sony APS-C. I haven;t tried it like a crop lens on my A7, but will do so,

New Announcement: Tamron SP 35mm F1.4, 35-150mm F2.8-4 and E-mount 17-28mm F2.8 III arriving mid-2019

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Spec-wise, this is perfect for what I’ve been looking for, but will need to wait for reviews on how good (or bad) the videoAF is.

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The video AF on the Tamron 28-75 2.8 is very good, I would expect that the 17-28 will be similar.

By the way, the brand new Tokina 16-28mm F/2.8 for Canon EOS is priced under 700 USD: https://www.adorama.com/tn1628opc.html?utm_source=rflaid64393

So it's possible that the Tamron will not be a lot more expensive than 28-75/2.8.

voronspb said:

By the way, the brand new Tokina 16-28mm F/2.8 for Canon EOS is priced under 700 USD: https://www.adorama.com/tn1628opc.html?utm_source=rflaid64393

So it's possible that the Tamron will not be a lot more expensive than 28-75/2.8.

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My guess is that it will be similarly priced to the 28-75/2.8.

If it has the same image quality as the Sony 16-35 f4 and if it's around the same price as the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 I will definitely buy it!

I was about to order the Sony but when I read about this Tamron I decided to wait for the reviews. The Tamron 28-75 is certainly great value for money. Hope this 17-28 will be the same.

Nisei said:

If it has the same image quality as the Sony 16-35 f4 and if it's around the same price as the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 I will definitely buy it!

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It will be lighter and smaller than the the Sony 16-35 f4, which has it's own advantages.

Nisei said:

I was about to order the Sony but when I read about this Tamron I decided to wait for the reviews. The Tamron 28-75 is certainly great value for money. Hope this 17-28 will be the same.

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lattesweden said:

Seems we get a new zoom soon:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/tamron-17-28-f-2-8-di-iii-rxd-for-sony-fe/

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Hope will see small and light 75-180 f2.8. Go for it, Tamron!

Can’t understanding ridiculous comments like “it’s a nightmare to swap 2 zooms on a camera”. You don’t like it - just pass! You find 28 mm not wide enough on 28-75 - just pass!

17-28 is a compromise, and please, don’t forget, it’s a f2.8 lens, but it’s still light. Waiting for the price)

PWPhotography said:

captura said:

Nisei said:

If it has the same image quality as the Sony 16-35 f4 and if it's around the same price as the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 I will definitely buy it!

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It will be lighter and smaller than the the Sony 16-35 f4, which has it's own advantages.

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The spec already published?

PWPhotography said:

PWPhotography said:

I was about to order the Sony but when I read about this Tamron I decided to wait for the reviews. The Tamron 28-75 is certainly great value for money. Hope this 17-28 will be the same.

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A good point. As I recall, it should be a similar spec to the FE 16-35 f4. But cheaper, expected to be the same price as the Tamron 28-75 FE.

But, "16-35 F4 isn’t going to be the right lens for Astro and low-light. You’ll need a lower f stop- I would definitely aim for the 17-28mm or if you don’t have a budget 16-35mm F2.8 GM"

If what I hear is true, the price is going to be around $1000.