Warning! Rant about Win10!

Unless Microsoft removes all the System 7 underwriting and full, multi-panel, extremely powerful control menus that remain, I am satisfied. But if it becomes more like Mac OSX where you would be using the command line for a lot of stuff, then I would be concerned.

The trend is simply to make the desktop OISs be more like smartphones, including these store distribution controlled apps.

We already see this on many web pages that are ultra-simplified (like smart pone pages) even on desktop computers, although it makes them 1/100th less powerful and usable. I get smartphones but the ability to do real work on them is, for me, limited.
 
Some of that telemetry information is very useful for application developers.
Then people turning off telemetry complain when application developer removes something bc their data says no one is using that function.

Good examples of this are Windows Start Menu and Lightroom Import screen.
The telemetry data doesn't contain usage behavior. It contains details about faults/errors that occur such as the type of error, stack trace, register values, etc.
 
Some of that telemetry information is very useful for application developers.
Then people turning off telemetry complain when application developer removes something bc their data says no one is using that function.

Good examples of this are Windows Start Menu and Lightroom Import screen.
The telemetry data doesn't contain usage behavior. It contains details about faults/errors that occur such as the type of error, stack trace, register values, etc.
It does.

"Adobe had based its decision in part on telemetry technology that shows how frequently Lightroom customers use different features. Many users disable that telemetry, however, meaning that their preferences are invisible to Adobe."

 
Your "gadget hacks" link is from mid 2015. A lot has changed since then.

I read the "how to geek" article, seemed quite normal and measured. I don't see a big deal at all.

Look, I've been bitten before by upgrades, as I'm sure many people here have. Devices without updated drivers get borked. Windows 8 was a dreadful experience, one that MS wants to make sure everyone forgets. Windows 10 had its own issues, but it was already much improved over 8, and many of the usability improvements people clamored for over MS's heavy handedness have been satisfactorily addressed.

How do you deal with smartphone OS upgrades? I've run pure Android on my smartphone for many years (no Samsung/LG etc overlay). I was a big fan of the dialer in Android 6 and 7, something I use all the time. Did not care for the changes in Android 8's version of that interface (8 must be an unlucky number, LOL). Other than that, overall it was still an improvement. Things that change are going to hit and miss, and as long as there's more hit than miss over the long haul and bigger picture, these misses generally work themselves out.

You're experiencing fear based on your inexperience and the handwringing of a loud vocal minority who may indeed have legitimate gripes, but a number of them just might also be overblowing things just for the sake of it or due to their lack of knowledge. I have some advice on how to take control of that fear.

Get a blank flash drive, 8 GB or larger. Google "windows 10 download" and go to the legitimate Microsoft link. You'll need to click through a few steps to create a bootable USB flash drive. Follow the instructions on creating a bootable USB flash drive for installing Windows 10 (if you don't see that, simply download the ISO file instead to your hard drive and use a free software program called Rufus to create one, there are plenty of simple guides online that show you how to do that and it literally only take a handful of clicks). You can also burn an installation DVD if you'd prefer instead, but the flash drive works much better, especially if your computer's BIOS supports booting from the one (most do nowadays, but the DVD option is available to you if it doesn't).

Rather than go through the hassle of backing up your Win 7 system as you should always do before an OS upgrade, pull your system drive out of your machine and put it in a safe place. You'll need this for later if you have buyers remorse and want to easily go back. Go grab a cheap internal SSD for that old computer, they can be had for under $50 nowadays (I've seen $35 ones) for as much as 256 GB. Put in the blank SSD in place of your system drive, plug in the flash drive, and follow the instructions to install Windows 10. When it asks for a key, click the "I don't have it right now/skip this step/do it later" option. You won't have an activated copy of Windows until you provide a key, but it's fine for now. None of that will stop it from working, other than the occasional nag (and watermark) asking for activation.

Run it this way for a few weeks, a month or two, whatever. Give yourself time to get used to the way it works and feels. See what bugs your old computer experiences. You may need to download Windows 10 drivers for some of your hardware, but there's a high probability that everything will work just fine from the get go once Windows has had some time to see and download what it needs for your particular machine. Let it download, and promptly install all the updates it needs to optimize your computer.

This method you can test drive it without any of the risks of losing your old installation if your worst fears are confirmed (you can always put your old system drive back in and go where you left off), and it costs you very little (and certainly not an expensive windows license, you can always repurpose that ssd for something else, perhaps an external ssd storage device or second drive). But my guess is that you'll like it just fine and find all the fear overblown. At that point you can decide to buy a buy a new license, or maybe even look at a PC hardware upgrade if you think it is time for one (weighed against the cost of just a Windows 10 license, which is about $110 for one specific PC only [OEM], or $130 for a "retail" copy that can be installed on another computer if for some reason your computer dies).

Ignorance of something often breeds fear. Take control of what you don't know, risking nothing in the process, and find out for yourself. Don't let internet fear mongering, of which there is no shortage, rule you.
 
I find the OP's post humorous, and agree with this sentiment....
Ignorance of something often breeds fear. Take control of what you don't know, risking nothing in the process, and find out for yourself. Don't let internet fear mongering, of which there is no shortage, rule you.
Out:)
 
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Some of that telemetry information is very useful for application developers.
Then people turning off telemetry complain when application developer removes something bc their data says no one is using that function.

Good examples of this are Windows Start Menu and Lightroom Import screen.
The telemetry data doesn't contain usage behavior. It contains details about faults/errors that occur such as the type of error, stack trace, register values, etc.
It does.

"Adobe had based its decision in part on telemetry technology that shows how frequently Lightroom customers use different features. Many users disable that telemetry, however, meaning that their preferences are invisible to Adobe."

https://www.cnet.com/news/adobe-to-undo-lightroom-change-after-customer-wrath/
Nowhere on that link does it say that it was Microsoft telemetry. If Adobe has it's own telemetry systems in its applications (and it does) it is nothing to do with any telemetry system built into Windows.
 
I find the OP's post humorous, and agree with this sentiment....
Ignorance of something often breeds fear. Take control of what you don't know, risking nothing in the process, and find out for yourself. Don't let internet fear mongering, of which there is no shortage, rule you.
Out:)
How does one take control over that which is transmitted over Windows telemetry?

It's encrypted so I can't see/control it even with a packet sniffer.

As others have pointed out, Windows is becoming more and more like a smartphone operating system. And every week, we read of cases where carriers, vendors and app developers have abused their opportunity to collect and even sell data that was collected without the user's consent and in violation of the published terms.

The presense of telemetry (which in the case of Windows seem to permeate every corner of the system) absolutely creates security vulnerabilities. And it's only a matter of time before wild exploits are discovered.

All of this telemetry serves only Microsoft. Users should be given the opportunity to opt out entirely. Those who adore Microsoft and trust them completely are absolutely welcome to opt in and share everything they want, voluntarily.
 
Your "gadget hacks" link is from mid 2015. A lot has changed since then.
Yep - that's why I wondered 'how many of these fixes still work ... '

As to your larger point, about how to try out Win10, my apologies for not mentioning that my current computer will not run Win10 (yes, I've verified that). So your detailed and otherwise excellent suggestion isn't an option in my case.
 
Some of that telemetry information is very useful for application developers.
Then people turning off telemetry complain when application developer removes something bc their data says no one is using that function.

Good examples of this are Windows Start Menu and Lightroom Import screen.
The telemetry data doesn't contain usage behavior. It contains details about faults/errors that occur such as the type of error, stack trace, register values, etc.
It does.

"Adobe had based its decision in part on telemetry technology that shows how frequently Lightroom customers use different features. Many users disable that telemetry, however, meaning that their preferences are invisible to Adobe."

https://www.cnet.com/news/adobe-to-undo-lightroom-change-after-customer-wrath/
Nowhere on that link does it say that it was Microsoft telemetry. If Adobe has it's own telemetry systems in its applications (and it does) it is nothing to do with any telemetry system built into Windows.
Guess you missed "Good examples of this are Windows Start Menu and Lightroom Import screen."
 
I find the OP's post humorous, and agree with this sentiment....
Ignorance of something often breeds fear. Take control of what you don't know, risking nothing in the process, and find out for yourself. Don't let internet fear mongering, of which there is no shortage, rule you.
Out:)
How does one take control over that which is transmitted over Windows telemetry?

It's encrypted so I can't see/control it even with a packet sniffer.
 
I find the OP's post humorous, and agree with this sentiment....
Ignorance of something often breeds fear. Take control of what you don't know, risking nothing in the process, and find out for yourself. Don't let internet fear mongering, of which there is no shortage, rule you.
Out:)
How does one take control over that which is transmitted over Windows telemetry?

It's encrypted so I can't see/control it even with a packet sniffer.
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/11/23/german-federal-office-bsi-publishes-telemetry-analysis/
This is beyond 99.999% of Windows users. And it would only get them part way to deciphering SOME of the data being transmitted by an OLD version of Windows.

Interesting stuff from an academic perspective but it fails to empower anyone to take control of the process as advocated by the other posters.
 
This is beyond 99.999% of Windows users. And it would only get them part way to deciphering SOME of the data being transmitted by an OLD version of Windows.
It's also doesn't apply to 99.999 % home users because Enterprise is mainly for business, was not free to the public, and is beyond the scope of most home users. Not to mention version 1607's mainstream support ended in April of 2018. Enterprise and Education editions ends April 2019 ;-)

Source: Windows lifecycle fact sheet

BTW - To see what's save in your MS Account - Stay in control of your privacy

Tutorial - How to Use Microsoft Privacy Dashboard to Manage Your Privacy on the Cloud in Windows 10

And I'll say it again, owning a PC is an active endeavor, not a passive one. If you want to use a PC, lean to use the OS. Those arguing this haven't figured that out.

Peace:)
 
BTW - To see what's save in your MS Account - Stay in control of your privacy

Tutorial - How to Use Microsoft Privacy Dashboard to Manage Your Privacy on the Cloud in Windows 10

And I'll say it again, owning a PC is an active endeavor, not a passive one. If you want to use a PC, lean to use the OS. Those arguing this haven't figured that out.
LOL.

I know how to use the OS thank you. I even know how to set it up with a local account.

So I don't have, need or want to login into a MS Account to stay in control of my privacy.

I just want to option to opt out (completely) from the Windows telemetry. It's a pretty simple and reasonable request from a user perspective.
 
your larger point, about how to try out Win10, my apologies for not mentioning that my current computer will not run Win10 (yes, I've verified that). So your detailed and otherwise excellent suggestion isn't an option in my case.
I appreciate that.

While I have had failures with some upgrades that just wouldn't work I've actually installed 10 on a couple of systems Microsoft with their own tools had declared incompatible. One of them I don't remember all the details (I believe drivers were belatedly updated to later make things work), so an earlier build wouldn't install but a later ISO version actually worked. The other required disabling a third party chipset in the BIOS that ran additional SATA and USB ports I wasn't using anyway, beyond what was already part of the primary chipset. Its maker cared not for supporting their product beyond selling it to the motherboard manufacturer, the hidden cost of buying a motherboard loaded with extra ports I suppose.

Moral, sometimes you don't really know for sure until you try to do it.
 
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Some of that telemetry information is very useful for application developers.
Then people turning off telemetry complain when application developer removes something bc their data says no one is using that function.

Good examples of this are Windows Start Menu and Lightroom Import screen.
The telemetry data doesn't contain usage behavior. It contains details about faults/errors that occur such as the type of error, stack trace, register values, etc.
It does.

"Adobe had based its decision in part on telemetry technology that shows how frequently Lightroom customers use different features. Many users disable that telemetry, however, meaning that their preferences are invisible to Adobe."

https://www.cnet.com/news/adobe-to-undo-lightroom-change-after-customer-wrath/
Nowhere on that link does it say that it was Microsoft telemetry. If Adobe has it's own telemetry systems in its applications (and it does) it is nothing to do with any telemetry system built into Windows.
Guess you missed "Good examples of this are Windows Start Menu and Lightroom Import screen."
The only mention of the Start Menu is in relation to complaints about changes to it in Windows 8. No telemetry issues there. The Lightroom thing is the complaints about the new Lightroom import screen. Again nothing to do with any sort of Windows telemtry.
 
And I'll say it again, owning a PC is an active endeavor, not a passive one. If you want to use a PC, lean to use the OS. Those arguing this haven't figured that out.
sounds like an ad for OSX and Chrome.
Indeed, for many people Chrome is just fine for their needs. But I wouldn't rush to declare sainthood for Apple (or any of these companies for that matter). OSX is closed source last I checked, so unless people are uber paranoid they also have to give Apple a lot of blind trust.
 

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