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JosephScha said:
Polycarbonate body. No top LCD. Says expect non-competitive dynamic range (really, it says that). And that for slightly MORE than I paid for a G9.

What can I say? I'm even happier now.
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The RP and all the lenses announced with it should be a wake-up call for every other camera maker. The 600lb gorilla has just given due notice that he isn't going to play nice. Did you not also see the new lenses? An ultra-compact 70-200/2.8. The thing is tiny.



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A compact 24-240/4-6.3? It's a clear sign that Canon intends on eating everyone else's lunch, not least mFT's.

As fir the polycarbonate body, personally, I'd have said that a polycarbonate skin over an allow chassis, which is what it has, is near optimum. PC is much more resilient than mag alloy, and takes the odd knock or ding much better.

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bobn2 said:
JosephScha said:
Polycarbonate body. No top LCD. Says expect non-competitive dynamic range (really, it says that). And that for slightly MORE than I paid for a G9.

What can I say? I'm even happier now.
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The RP and all the lenses announced with it should be a wake-up call for every other camera maker. The 600lb gorilla has just given due notice that he isn't going to play nice. Did you not also see the new lenses? An ultra-compact 70-200/2.8. The thing is tiny.

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A compact 24-240/4-6.3? It's a clear sign that Canon intends on eating everyone else's lunch, not least mFT's
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in my studio I shoot at f6.3 m43 for a preferred dof. and shoot at 1/8 power strobes for action shots to still motion 1/4000 sec, so what advantage does FF have again ? I would have to power up my strobes 4x and loose any ability to still motion. and over heat them shooting 1000 shots per day. also does the new canon stream live to a uhd monitor with an active evf ? and if it does how long before that big sensor in a tiny body take to over heat ?

Don
bobn2 said:
As fir the polycarbonate body, personally, I'd have said that a polycarbonate skin over an allow chassis, which is what it has, is near optimum. PC is much more resilient than mag alloy, and takes the odd knock or ding much better.
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Xcelent said:
JosephScha said:
Polycarbonate body. No top LCD. Says expect non-competitive dynamic range (really, it says that). And that for slightly MORE than I paid for a G9.

What can I say?
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What I say is: Game over, Olympus!
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FF for $1300! And there is also the APSC Fuji X-T20 for $900. Olympus still tries to sell its 4-year-old 16MP E-M5 II.

I'm afraid you are right. :-(
 
JosephScha said:
Polycarbonate body.
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According Canon's official specs it's magnesium alloy!
JosephScha said:
No top LCD. Says expect non-competitive dynamic range (really, it says that). And that for slightly MORE than I paid for a G9.

What can I say? I'm even happier now.
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Same EVF and rear screen resolution as the Olympus OMD-D E-M1X!

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gary0319 said:
JosephScha said:
Polycarbonate body. No top LCD. Says expect non-competitive dynamic range (really, it says that). And that for slightly MORE than I paid for a G9.

What can I say? I'm even happier now.
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But, it will be a big seller. I have quite a few camera club members that will buy the RP in a heartbeat., simply to dip their toe into the mirrorless world with their existing Canon EF lenses. The low price makes it an easy on the budget way to “. get into mirrorless” and, of course, it says Canon on the front....so it has to be good, right?
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Canon get their reputation for a reason. Best lenses in the industry, good ergonomics, reasonable pricing. DR is not the only element and then i12EV is enough on this forum, isn't it?
 
That's a very clever move Canon. The camera world just got a lot more interesting and they will sell one heck of a lot of these, unlike a lot of other cameras out there.

Thanks Joseph, interesting thread this one to read.

Danny.
 
arbux said:
mg_k said:
JosephScha said:
Polycarbonate body. No top LCD. Says expect non-competitive dynamic range (really, it says that). And that for slightly MORE than I paid for a G9.

What can I say? I'm even happier now.
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um why? Personally I take the RP over the G9 anyday.
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Why?

You're asking why but not providing rationale.
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Answer is simple - 26mp ff sensor with Canon colour and reputation.

The RP will sell like hotcakes.
 
On one hand I applaud Canon for creating an entry or cheap Full Frame camera. I did predict two possible futures where crop sensor cameras become more than good enough and replace to a large extent Full Frame. The other alternative is the big name Full Frame companies start releasing affordable Full Frame gear and it could be the death nail for crop sensor cameras.

The sad news regarding the RP, while the price screams out 'BUY ME NOW!' and I would do in a heart beat but very quickly the gas disappear. There one great big problem with the RP other than I wouldn't get much benefit from the camera. The lens line up for the Canon R is mostly aimed at the pros who wants super thin depth of field and anyone on a budget getting the RP will be force to get an adapter and buy Canon DSLR lenses instead.

The Sony system is still the best for anyone who want to future proof their system and to invest in lenses. I could get the Sony A7ii, buy the 50mm 1.8, 28mm 2.0 and the 85mm 1.8 for two grand. Add another grand for the 24-105mm and I'm good to go. I would still need a few grand more for the 100-400 but there's a safe system if camera companies start exiting the market.

Now the problem is the Canon 6D2 when it came out was a let down and it was so bad I bought the GH5 because in comparison it was the better camera. The 6D2 should of been some special and aimed at the younger generation of photographers but it was a hack job. The Northrups recommended people to get the Sony A72 instead and looking at the RP I just lose interest very quickly.
 
C Sean said:
On one hand I applaud Canon for creating an entry or cheap Full Frame camera. I did predict two possible futures where crop sensor cameras become more than good enough and replace to a large extent Full Frame. The other alternative is the big name Full Frame companies start releasing affordable Full Frame gear and it could be the death nail for crop sensor cameras.

The sad news regarding the RP, while the price screams out 'BUY ME NOW!' and I would do in a heart beat but very quickly the gas disappear. There one great big problem with the RP other than I wouldn't get much benefit from the camera.

The lens line up for the Canon R is mostly aimed at the pros who wants super thin depth of field
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Did you not see the RF 24-240mm F4-6.3 announced ?

As I see it Professionals might like to have the option of shooting with a wide range of available DoF. The stereotype of "pros want[ing] super thin DoF" is I think an invention of this forum
C Sean said:
and anyone on a budget getting the RP will be force to get an adapter and buy Canon DSLR lenses instead.
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The vast majority of Canon users already have EF lenses and a decision to use an EF-R adapter seems to me to plain common sense rather than a forced action.
C Sean said:
The Sony system is still the best for anyone who want to future proof their system and to invest in lenses. I could get the Sony A7ii, buy the 50mm 1.8, 28mm 2.0 and the 85mm 1.8 for two grand. Add another grand for the 24-105mm and I'm good to go. I would still need a few grand more for the 100-400 but there's a safe system if camera companies start exiting the market.

Now the problem is the Canon 6D2 when it came out was a let down and it was so bad I bought the GH5 because in comparison it was the better camera. The 6D2 should of been some special and aimed at the younger generation of photographers but it was a hack job. The Northrups recommended people to get the Sony A72 instead and looking at the RP I just lose interest very quickly.
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Interesting that the 6DII now seems to the camera of choice for vlogging and is voted by many to be the best for that use.

Here is what Tony N now says about the 6DII . . .

"I made a mistake: Canon 6D mk II is the BEST vlogging camera. Seriously"
Posted by Chelsea & Tony Northrup | Jul 31, 2018 | Chelsea Northrup, Tony Northrup, Videos

Peter
 
Messier Object said:
C Sean said:
On one hand I applaud Canon for creating an entry or cheap Full Frame camera. I did predict two possible futures where crop sensor cameras become more than good enough and replace to a large extent Full Frame. The other alternative is the big name Full Frame companies start releasing affordable Full Frame gear and it could be the death nail for crop sensor cameras.

The sad news regarding the RP, while the price screams out 'BUY ME NOW!' and I would do in a heart beat but very quickly the gas disappear. There one great big problem with the RP other than I wouldn't get much benefit from the camera.

The lens line up for the Canon R is mostly aimed at the pros who wants super thin depth of field
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Did you not see the RF 24-240mm F4-6.3 announced ?
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Yep but you also have the 24-105mm and the 35mm 1.8 which appeal to me.
Messier Object said:
As I see it Professionals might like to have the option of shooting with a wide range of available DoF. The stereotype of "pros want[ing] super thin DoF" is I think an invention of this forum
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I don't agree with that. Since Canon overall has the best selection of Full Frame glass, with the R system they either have to remake the existing glass or do something different which they are doing. They released the 28-70mm 2.0, a sharp wide open 50mm 1.2 and they bringing out two different type of 85mm 1.2.

I'm thinking of going Full Frame and there is a possibility one of the causality of the shrinking camera market is M43. So I'm watching closely which option is the best. In my opinion Canon look great to begin with but at closer inspection it's a ok. Their reputation when it comes to actual camera bodies compared to their competitors has been lacking. Canon was well known for making excellent camera bodies and all of a sudden they stopped? At least the Canon 5d mk4 is a good still workhorse camera.
Messier Object said:
Messier Object said:
and anyone on a budget getting the RP will be force to get an adapter and buy Canon DSLR lenses instead.
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The vast majority of Canon users already have EF lenses and a decision to use an EF-R adapter seems to me to plain common sense rather than a forced action.
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That's great but they will find the Canon RP lacking and would be better off getting the R instead. The Canon RP might be perfect for beginners thinking of going pro for the short term but it ain't a long term cameras like the 5D series, 800 series etc.
Messier Object said:
Messier Object said:
The Sony system is still the best for anyone who want to future proof their system and to invest in lenses. I could get the Sony A7ii, buy the 50mm 1.8, 28mm 2.0 and the 85mm 1.8 for two grand. Add another grand for the 24-105mm and I'm good to go. I would still need a few grand more for the 100-400 but there's a safe system if camera companies start exiting the market.

Now the problem is the Canon 6D2 when it came out was a let down and it was so bad I bought the GH5 because in comparison it was the better camera. The 6D2 should of been some special and aimed at the younger generation of photographers but it was a hack job. The Northrups recommended people to get the Sony A72 instead and looking at the RP I just lose interest very quickly.
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Interesting that the 6DII now seems to the camera of choice for vlogging and is voted by many to be the best for that use.

Here is what Tony N now says about the 6DII . . .

"I made a mistake: Canon 6D mk II is the BEST vlogging camera. Seriously"
Posted by Chelsea & Tony Northrup | Jul 31, 2018 | Chelsea Northrup, Tony Northrup, Videos

Peter
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The Canon 6D mk2 is a Full Frame 80D. Brendan Van Son, a youtube travel photographer and you might of seen him in some of Thomas Heaton's videos. He did a lot of his earlier work on the original 6D camera which at the time was a great camera. He was going to get the 6D mk2, but out it has little dynamic range and force to pay extra for the 5D mk4.

I bought the GH5 after the reviews of the 6D mk2 coming out because in comparison the GH5 was a steal.
 
C Sean said:
Messier Object said:
C Sean said:
On one hand I applaud Canon for creating an entry or cheap Full Frame camera. I did predict two possible futures where crop sensor cameras become more than good enough and replace to a large extent Full Frame. The other alternative is the big name Full Frame companies start releasing affordable Full Frame gear and it could be the death nail for crop sensor cameras.

The sad news regarding the RP, while the price screams out 'BUY ME NOW!' and I would do in a heart beat but very quickly the gas disappear. There one great big problem with the RP other than I wouldn't get much benefit from the camera.

The lens line up for the Canon R is mostly aimed at the pros who wants super thin depth of field
Click to expand...
Did you not see the RF 24-240mm F4-6.3 announced ?
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Yep but you also have the 24-105mm and the 35mm 1.8 which appeal to me.
C Sean said:
As I see it Professionals might like to have the option of shooting with a wide range of available DoF. The stereotype of "pros want[ing] super thin DoF" is I think an invention of this forum
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I don't agree with that. Since Canon overall has the best selection of Full Frame glass, with the R system they either have to remake the existing glass or do something different which they are doing. They released the 28-70mm 2.0, a sharp wide open 50mm 1.2 and they bringing out two different type of 85mm 1.2.

I'm thinking of going Full Frame and there is a possibility one of the causality of the shrinking camera market is M43. So I'm watching closely which option is the best. In my opinion Canon look great to begin with but at closer inspection it's a ok. Their reputation when it comes to actual camera bodies compared to their competitors has been lacking. Canon was well known for making excellent camera bodies and all of a sudden they stopped? At least the Canon 5d mk4 is a good still workhorse camera.
C Sean said:
C Sean said:
and anyone on a budget getting the RP will be force to get an adapter and buy Canon DSLR lenses instead.
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The vast majority of Canon users already have EF lenses and a decision to use an EF-R adapter seems to me to plain common sense rather than a forced action.
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That's great but they will find the Canon RP lacking and would be better off getting the R instead. The Canon RP might be perfect for beginners thinking of going pro for the short term but it ain't a long term cameras like the 5D series, 800 series etc.
C Sean said:
C Sean said:
The Sony system is still the best for anyone who want to future proof their system and to invest in lenses. I could get the Sony A7ii, buy the 50mm 1.8, 28mm 2.0 and the 85mm 1.8 for two grand. Add another grand for the 24-105mm and I'm good to go. I would still need a few grand more for the 100-400 but there's a safe system if camera companies start exiting the market.

Now the problem is the Canon 6D2 when it came out was a let down and it was so bad I bought the GH5 because in comparison it was the better camera. The 6D2 should of been some special and aimed at the younger generation of photographers but it was a hack job. The Northrups recommended people to get the Sony A72 instead and looking at the RP I just lose interest very quickly.
Click to expand...
Interesting that the 6DII now seems to the camera of choice for vlogging and is voted by many to be the best for that use.

Here is what Tony N now says about the 6DII . . .

"I made a mistake: Canon 6D mk II is the BEST vlogging camera. Seriously"
Posted by Chelsea & Tony Northrup | Jul 31, 2018 | Chelsea Northrup, Tony Northrup, Videos

Peter
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The Canon 6D mk2 is a Full Frame 80D. Brendan Van Son, a youtube travel photographer and you might of seen him in some of Thomas Heaton's videos. He did a lot of his earlier work on the original 6D camera which at the time was a great camera. He was going to get the 6D mk2, but out it has little dynamic range and force to pay extra for the 5D mk4.

I bought the GH5 after the reviews of the 6D mk2 coming out because in comparison the GH5 was a steal.
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Although I started digital with Olympus 4/3 and I now have the EM1.2, I'm a committed Canon user - FF and APS - and will continue with my DSLRs until EOS R significantly exceeds the performance of my DSLRs. I have a number of high-end EF L lenses and don't ever see myself replacing them with RF unless they break. Another bonus is I have the Metabones adapter and can use those EF lenses on the EM1.2

I love the Olympus cameras I own, from the OM2, OM4, several of the E-system DSLRs including the E-5 and now the E-M1II. With Canon launching the new RP I can see Nikon doing similar very soon. There isn't room for many winners in the mirrorless wars and I don't know whether Olympus will be there in the end.

Peter
 
nzmacro said:
That's a very clever move Canon. The camera world just got a lot more interesting and they will sell one heck of a lot of these, unlike a lot of other cameras out there.

Thanks Joseph, interesting thread this one to read.

Danny.
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i had a look at a Canon 500mm/4.5 EF IS for £2k on ebay...with this and the adaptor you have a nice FF 500mm rig for £3.5k.....that's quite tempting for all the wrong reasons
 
JosephScha said:
Polycarbonate body. No top LCD. Says expect non-competitive dynamic range (really, it says that). And that for slightly MORE than I paid for a G9.

What can I say? I'm even happier now.
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Yeah terrible camera. 4x bigger sensor. Access to the largest and best lens selection in the world. Lighter than a lot of m43 cameras. Can't imagine anyone wanting to buy one.

Oh and I recently bought a G9. Nice camera overall, but I will bet I'll like the ergos of the RP better once I actually get one in my hands.

The RP is not perfect by any means, but is one heck of a lot of camera for the money.

This camera is going to change the camera landscape significantly whether you like it or hate it.

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Messier Object said:
Although I started digital with Olympus 4/3 and I now have the EM1.2, I'm a committed Canon user - FF and APS - and will continue with my DSLRs until EOS R significantly exceeds the performance of my DSLRs. I have a number of high-end EF L lenses and don't ever see myself replacing them with RF unless they break. Another bonus is I have the Metabones adapter and can use those EF lenses on the EM1.2

I love the Olympus cameras I own, from the OM2, OM4, several of the E-system DSLRs including the E-5 and now the E-M1II. With Canon launching the new RP I can see Nikon doing similar very soon. There isn't room for many winners in the mirrorless wars and I don't know whether Olympus will be there in the end.

Peter
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Just to make it clear I liked the idea of what Canon is doing but I don't think they done it right. The dynamic range meant to suck and this camera is really at the moment just for existing Canon APS_C owners who want to upgrade to Full Frame. If there were more affordable R lenses and the dynamic range was better then Canon is onto a winner.

We don't know what's going to happen to the crop format system in a few years time. With the introduction of the RP, I think it safe to say Canon DSLR is soon to be dead. They can phrase out the Rebel series and have the M series take it place and release the odd 5D to keep some of their user base happy. The introduction of the RP is the sign they want people to go Full Frame and I welcome the idea.

Like I said I think the market could goes two ways. Crop sensor could become more than good enough and this leave the bigger formats for the niche market. Both Olympus, Panasonic and Fuji thinking of this. The other alternative is Full Frame will dominate the market from pro camera bodies to no trills camera bodies.

So the question is the Canon RP a no trills camera I'm hoping for. Something I can add to my M43 system and slowly add lenses to it? The answer is sadly a no. If we ignore the current/announced lens selection. There are four reason to want Full Frame.
  • Option for thinner depth of field
  • Dynamic range
  • Cleaner files
  • Improved colour/looks
I know the 6D mk2 has poor dynamic range compared to other Full Frame and sadly or unsurprisingly the RP has the 6D mk2 sensor. The lack of dynamic range for me is the deal breaker and the other barely attempted features feels like a joke. Like the GH5 vs 6D mk2, while it has a Full Frame sensor, when it comes to actual shooting crop sensor cameras or more expensive Full Frame cameras does a better job. If you have to pay a premium in lenses and pay the pay for bigger lenses, the body need to have the IQ to out do crop sensor cameras. For me the Canon RP put into some effort to in prodding the Full Frame standard camera but NOT a basic still camera that does the job well.

I just wish Canon would of made a solid but basic in features still Full Frame camera and bundled it with a 50mm 18 lens. Instead they release a tacky camera with a Full frame sensor.
 
C Sean said:
Messier Object said:
Although I started digital with Olympus 4/3 and I now have the EM1.2, I'm a committed Canon user - FF and APS - and will continue with my DSLRs until EOS R significantly exceeds the performance of my DSLRs. I have a number of high-end EF L lenses and don't ever see myself replacing them with RF unless they break. Another bonus is I have the Metabones adapter and can use those EF lenses on the EM1.2

I love the Olympus cameras I own, from the OM2, OM4, several of the E-system DSLRs including the E-5 and now the E-M1II. With Canon launching the new RP I can see Nikon doing similar very soon. There isn't room for many winners in the mirrorless wars and I don't know whether Olympus will be there in the end.

Peter
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Just to make it clear I liked the idea of what Canon is doing but I don't think they done it right. The dynamic range meant to suck
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The DR is of course compared to other FF cameras
C Sean said:
and this camera is really at the moment just for existing Canon APS_C owners who want to upgrade to Full Frame. If there were more affordable R lenses and the dynamic range was better then Canon is onto a winner.
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The included adapter { at least here in the UK pre-orders} apparently gives essentially native EF performance so if you are already in the Canon fold you will be good to go.
C Sean said:
We don't know what's going to happen to the crop format system in a few years time. With the introduction of the RP, I think it safe to say Canon DSLR is soon to be dead. They can phrase out the Rebel series and have the M series take it place and release the odd 5D to keep some of their user base happy. The introduction of the RP is the sign they want people to go Full Frame and I welcome the idea.

Like I said I think the market could goes two ways. Crop sensor could become more than good enough and this leave the bigger formats for the niche market. Both Olympus, Panasonic and Fuji thinking of this. The other alternative is Full Frame will dominate the market from pro camera bodies to no trills camera bodies.

So the question is the Canon RP a no trills camera I'm hoping for. Something I can add to my M43 system and slowly add lenses to it? The answer is sadly a no. If we ignore the current/announced lens selection. There are four reason to want Full Frame.
  • Option for thinner depth of field
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The massive Canon and third party lens selection offers that aplenty
C Sean said:
  • Dynamic range
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Weaker than other FF cameras but a step up for their APS users
C Sean said:
  • Cleaner files
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The Canon sensors at high ISO do pretty well and better than any m43 offerings
C Sean said:
  • Improved colour/looks
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Lot's of folk seem to favour Canon colours though personally I think you can get whatever you want from any camera brand.
C Sean said:
I know the 6D mk2 has poor dynamic range compared to other Full Frame and sadly or unsurprisingly the RP has the 6D mk2 sensor. The lack of dynamic range for me is the deal breaker and the other barely attempted features feels like a joke. Like the GH5 vs 6D mk2, while it has a Full Frame sensor, when it comes to actual shooting crop sensor cameras or more expensive Full Frame cameras does a better job.

If you have to pay a premium in lenses and pay the pay for bigger lenses, the body need to have the IQ to out do crop sensor cameras. For me the Canon RP put into some effort to in prodding the Full Frame standard camera but NOT a basic still camera that does the job well.
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This premium for bigger lenses only apples to lenses where there is no m43 equivalent. If using their existing lenses { I do not see any jumpers from other FF systems } they will be set. If you look at the huge selection of Canon and third party EF mount lenses which again offer essentially native performance on the adapter. A truly equivalent selection of lenses would I suspect be cheaper than a m43 set-up
C Sean said:
I just wish Canon would of made a solid but basic in features still Full Frame camera and bundled it with a 50mm 18 lens. Instead they release a tacky camera with a Full frame sensor.
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Though personally I wouldn't buy it as I have no Canon lenses and though priced well there are better buys out there for non-Canon users

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The more price pressure the FF makers put on smaller formats, the more those formats will suffer. Canon's latest entry is still capable of producing stellar images, has very good noise characteristics, and has access to a vast lens catalog. Dynamic range at *base ISO* is lower than others, but still only visible when deep shadows are really pushed. A FF cam that's smaller than a Rebel?

Honestly, I think you're missing the point here. This will sell, no question.
 
C Sean said:
Messier Object said:
Although I started digital with Olympus 4/3 and I now have the EM1.2, I'm a committed Canon user - FF and APS - and will continue with my DSLRs until EOS R significantly exceeds the performance of my DSLRs. I have a number of high-end EF L lenses and don't ever see myself replacing them with RF unless they break. Another bonus is I have the Metabones adapter and can use those EF lenses on the EM1.2

I love the Olympus cameras I own, from the OM2, OM4, several of the E-system DSLRs including the E-5 and now the E-M1II. With Canon launching the new RP I can see Nikon doing similar very soon. There isn't room for many winners in the mirrorless wars and I don't know whether Olympus will be there in the end.

Peter
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Just to make it clear I liked the idea of what Canon is doing but I don't think they done it right. The dynamic range meant to suck and this camera is really at the moment just for existing Canon APS_C owners who want to upgrade to Full Frame. If there were more affordable R lenses and the dynamic range was better then Canon is onto a winner.

We don't know what's going to happen to the crop format system in a few years time. With the introduction of the RP, I think it safe to say Canon DSLR is soon to be dead. They can phrase out the Rebel series and have the M series take it place and release the odd 5D to keep some of their user base happy. The introduction of the RP is the sign they want people to go Full Frame and I welcome the idea.

Like I said I think the market could goes two ways. Crop sensor could become more than good enough and this leave the bigger formats for the niche market. Both Olympus, Panasonic and Fuji thinking of this. The other alternative is Full Frame will dominate the market from pro camera bodies to no trills camera bodies.

So the question is the Canon RP a no trills camera I'm hoping for. Something I can add to my M43 system and slowly add lenses to it? The answer is sadly a no. If we ignore the current/announced lens selection. There are four reason to want Full Frame.
  • Option for thinner depth of field
  • Dynamic range
  • Cleaner files
  • Improved colour/looks
I know the 6D mk2 has poor dynamic range compared to other Full Frame and sadly or unsurprisingly the RP has the 6D mk2 sensor. The lack of dynamic range for me is the deal breaker and the other barely attempted features feels like a joke. Like the GH5 vs 6D mk2, while it has a Full Frame sensor, when it comes to actual shooting crop sensor cameras or more expensive Full Frame cameras does a better job. If you have to pay a premium in lenses and pay the pay for bigger lenses, the body need to have the IQ to out do crop sensor cameras. For me the Canon RP put into some effort to in prodding the Full Frame standard camera but NOT a basic still camera that does the job well.

I just wish Canon would of made a solid but basic in features still Full Frame camera and bundled it with a 50mm 18 lens. Instead they release a tacky camera with a Full frame sensor.
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Countless thousands of newly wealthy middle-class folk especially in the Far East who want “a nice camera” will love this camera and the bright, well-saturated holiday style images it will give them. This camera is for them, not for enthusiasts. The regular R and future higher models are for enthusiasts. It’s really straightforward. No more leakage to Sony, or so Canon hope.

The big three camera companies control about 90 per cent of the entire camera market. Canon alone control half of it. If they decide that beyond el cheapo 500-buck entry kits FF is where we’re all going and what we’ll get then it’s hard to see anything else happening, for good or ill.

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