My first Fuji - Comments & Questions

Bev81 from France

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Hi Fuji club

I've spent most of my photography time with Nikon (D70, D90, V1, ...), with Sony (A3000, A6000) for the last years, and a bit of Olympus (E-M5 II) in between. Wanting to try (yes I like the tool as much as the results) something else, looking hard into Sony FF, I told myself that APSC is probably all I need in the end (especially when I see the price & size of FF lenses). So I bought a second hand XT1 + 18-55 (not willing to spend too much while not being sure)

I'm still learning the Fuji ergo, still trying to figure out some options / paramaters, I hope to get some answers here. For instance (if of importance, I run on firmware 5.2) :

- is there a way to delete pictures without to press several time "trash" / Picture / "Ok" ? that's a lot of press at 2 different places. I'm used to something like double clicking the trash button and that' all

- when in the Q menu, it seems that I can select any 1st level option using the wheel but is there a way to enter and modify the options ? I mean for example defining a custom white balance (by aiming a white card, storing the result, and using this WB whithout going into the main menu or relying on a Fn button)

- the video button is very hard to press, not only because of its location but also to its very low responsiveness. is that normal or do I have a "tired" button ?

- In AFC, the AF-L button does trigger a first time focus but does not trigger a continuous AF. Is that normal behaviour or do I miss something ?

- AF-L and AE-L are in the same menu for their behaviour. Is there a way to say AF-L on press and AE-L on toggle for example ?

- If I set the review image as permanent (after each shot) I don't have choice about the way it is displayed (no access to shooting info) ? Did i miss something ?

- I've the histogram on shooting mode but it disappears as soon as I press the shutter ?!?

- when navigating into the main menu, I can leave it and returning to it will present the last option I was in. That's not the case for the "tools" part of the menu (return to the very first option of the shooting menu) ?

- something I don't get at all : in the Q menu, the first icon (BASE / C1 / C2 / ...) What is the purpose or the goal ? I'm probably not in the Fuji philosophy there, I must be missing something important...

- In AF-C I clearly see the AF going back and forth even if the target is not moving. Something reminiscent of Contrast AF system but surprising for a camera with Phase detect sensors (I'm aiming with the center zone focus area). Any hint ?

Ok, I might have other questions but that's all for the moment

As for my initial impressions :

- the 18-55, although a bit heavy, is a very nice / sharp lens. I would say it reminds me of the Oly 12-40 Pro, less the wider end.

- I'm not used to the many wheels (ISO & Speed for instance), but as a Aperture or Speed with auto ISO user, I don't mind. That's not the reason why I wanted to try Fuji, even my very first SLR back in 1989 (Nikon F801 / N8008) was a PSAM cam.

- The battery life is a serious problem though but I wonder if the seller told the truth; it told me the original Fuji battery got tired very soon so he bought 2 non oem ones. The reality is I get less than 100 pictures from any of thoses battery. So either the batteries are all lemon, or the XT1 is a battery eater, or worse the problem comes from my very own sample of the camera ?!? Any similar story from anyone here ?

- I was a bit anxious about all the comments I read about the non love of Fuji by Lightroom (worms, painting effects, you know what I mean...). I'm a long term LR user and I like this tool. To a certain extent, yes, LR does not a good job with X-Trans files. But I did my homework before hand and came to the conclusion that one need to not apply the same sharpening presets as the ones used for bayer sensors. For instance going over 30 for the sharpening strength indeed creates the dreaded worms; on the opposite, going strong on the radius and details have almost no adverse result (contrary to bayer sensor which see a lot a grain then), so problem solved

- Fuji Jpeg ! I'm not into in camera Jpeg (shooting raw is so relaxing !) but I understand that many people say they are good. BUT, how contrasty they are ! Frankly I was astonished by the dark shadows / high contrat even on the supposely soft Astia ?!? For me only Pro Neg Std comes close to what I'm used to. Now I can tell that compared to ones of the Sony A6000 the XT1 Jpeg are really good. Noise and sharpness are very well controlled. Still I much prefer my own result in LR :)

So you may wonder why a Fuji for me ? I'm not into Jpeg, nor in manual (à l'ancienne) wheels. Simply because the X-Tx line is beautiful, with a nice centered EVF, a flipping screen, a good size, and a nice sharp zoom. I've hoped Sony would supply a similar body, unfortunately they continue to limit APSC line to small boxes. I wanted a A7 like one but they seem to ignore this segment (or reserve it to FF)
 
No one for a help ?!?
 
I can only comment on the video record button. I never had the XT1 but I heard it’s the same deal as my old X70. You have to hold the record button to start and stop recording. Odd, I know. So when you were wondering why it wasn’t working and tried to press harder and longer out of frustration, you were probably able to get it then.
 
I can only comment on the video record button. I never had the XT1 but I heard it’s the same deal as my old X70. You have to hold the record button to start and stop recording. Odd, I know. So when you were wondering why it wasn’t working and tried to press harder and longer out of frustration, you were probably able to get it then.
Spot on ! I need to press the button for 1 or 2 seconds. Thanks

I was not expecting that behaviour, but why not
 
The link is for the X-T3, not the X-T1. And really ? 2 hours video, explaining where is the shutter button or how to use the AF joystick etc. My questions are very specific, I'm pretty sure this vid won't give me the right clues. That's why I ask here
 
- is there a way to delete pictures without to press several time "trash" / Picture / "Ok" ? that's a lot of press at 2 different places. I'm used to something like double clicking the trash button and that' all
Someone posted this trick.

As you are reviewing your images you can lock/protect them. If you protect your keepers, then you can tell the camera to erase all frames, which will then leave you with just your protected images.
 
- is there a way to delete pictures without to press several time "trash" / Picture / "Ok" ? that's a lot of press at 2 different places. I'm used to something like double clicking the trash button and that' all
Someone posted this trick.

As you are reviewing your images you can lock/protect them. If you protect your keepers, then you can tell the camera to erase all frames, which will then leave you with just your protected images.
Usefull trick, thanks

But if understand well that also means there is no straight & fast way to trash a single picture without the 3 button press I mentioned.
 
- is there a way to delete pictures without to press several time "trash" / Picture / "Ok" ? that's a lot of press at 2 different places. I'm used to something like double clicking the trash button and that' all
Someone posted this trick.

As you are reviewing your images you can lock/protect them. If you protect your keepers, then you can tell the camera to erase all frames, which will then leave you with just your protected images.
Usefull trick, thanks

But if understand well that also means there is no straight & fast way to trash a single picture without the 3 button press I mentioned.
No, I guess Fuji wants you to be ABSOLUTELY sure you want to delete a photo!

As to battery life, yes is is short. Be sure to set the camera to do as many power saving things as possible: turn off/sleep at a short setting, turn off image review, etc. And of course, have some extra batteries with you; they are small and light weight, but coming from a traditional DSLR, you will find they deplete very fast compared to what you are used to.

To help you get used to this, some (old) film camera users compare it to stopping to re-load after 36 frames, and carrying extra batteries as being like carrying extra rolls of film.

As you get more familiar with the camera, I hope you will come to appreciate its strengths!
 
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I can't answer a lot of these because you do things differently than I do. I own the X-T20 and it's similar enough that I can cover a few.

- the video button is very hard to press, not only because of its location but also to its very low responsiveness. is that normal or do I have a "tired" button ?
To me it's easier to just turn the drive dial to movie mode and use the shutter button to start and stop recording.
- If I set the review image as permanent (after each shot) I don't have choice about the way it is displayed (no access to shooting info) ? Did i miss something ?
I have auto image review turned off, so not sure. But when using the review button you have choices of what is displayed. So I have all the settings set to display and just hit that button when I want to check an image.

- I've the histogram on shooting mode but it disappears as soon as I press the shutter ?!?
Yeah, does that on the X-T20 also.
- something I don't get at all : in the Q menu, the first icon (BASE / C1 / C2 / ...) What is the purpose or the goal ? I'm probably not in the Fuji philosophy there, I must be missing something important...
I haven't used the custom slots myself. But I think it mostly applies to JPEGs. You can create your own custom presets with film simulations and adjustments to sharpness, color, shadows, highlights, etc. so you don't have to set them all each time to get a specific look you like and will use repeatedly.
- In AF-C I clearly see the AF going back and forth even if the target is not moving. Something reminiscent of Contrast AF system but surprising for a camera with Phase detect sensors (I'm aiming with the center zone focus area). Any hint ?
The X-T20 acts the same way. I don't know why, but it's the reason I only ever use AF-C when I have a subject that is moving around a lot.
- The battery life is a serious problem though but I wonder if the seller told the truth; it told me the original Fuji battery got tired very soon so he bought 2 non oem ones. The reality is I get less than 100 pictures from any of thoses battery. So either the batteries are all lemon, or the XT1 is a battery eater, or worse the problem comes from my very own sample of the camera ?!? Any similar story from anyone here ?
Fuji batteries are notorious for not lasting long, but less than 100 images seems really bad unless you have the camera set up in ways that suck up more power. I try not to use things that take extra juice like the power boost, auto image review, LCD always on, OIS always active, etc. There's another one I can't remember what it's called, pre-focus maybe? It makes the lens constantly focus even when not half-pressing the shutter button and usually isn't worth the split second of time saved when taking a shot.

I have no trouble getting 300-400 images from one battery charge. But that's only if the battery is fresh. My X-T20 drains the battery significantly if it's just sitting around not being used. So if it's two weeks or more between two outings with my camera the battery will deplete much faster than expected. I almost always have a spare with me just in case. A way to avoid the drain which leads to fewer images is to store the battery outside of the camera body and only insert it when you go out. But you risk forgetting and leaving home with no battery that way.
So you may wonder why a Fuji for me ? I'm not into Jpeg, nor in manual (à l'ancienne) wheels. Simply because the X-Tx line is beautiful, with a nice centered EVF, a flipping screen, a good size, and a nice sharp zoom. I've hoped Sony would supply a similar body, unfortunately they continue to limit APSC line to small boxes. I wanted a A7 like one but they seem to ignore this segment (or reserve it to FF)
I totally agree with you on the body design of the X-Ts vs. the Sony boxes.
 
I can't answer a lot of these because you do things differently than I do. I own the X-T20 and it's similar enough that I can cover a few.
- the video button is very hard to press, not only because of its location but also to its very low responsiveness. is that normal or do I have a "tired" button ?
To me it's easier to just turn the drive dial to movie mode and use the shutter button to start and stop recording.
There is no video mode on the drive dial of the X-T1. But I got the answer, one need to press it for 1 or 2 seconds, it's not the usual on/off matter
- If I set the review image as permanent (after each shot) I don't have choice about the way it is displayed (no access to shooting info) ? Did i miss something ?
I have auto image review turned off, so not sure. But when using the review button you have choices of what is displayed. So I have all the settings set to display and just hit that button when I want to check an image.
My concern was when Image Review turned on. Otherwise it is as you describe when calling an image review manually with the dedicated button
- I've the histogram on shooting mode but it disappears as soon as I press the shutter ?!?
Yeah, does that on the X-T20 also.
Ok, it's what Fuji wants then
- something I don't get at all : in the Q menu, the first icon (BASE / C1 / C2 / ...) What is the purpose or the goal ? I'm probably not in the Fuji philosophy there, I must be missing something important...
I haven't used the custom slots myself. But I think it mostly applies to JPEGs. You can create your own custom presets with film simulations and adjustments to sharpness, color, shadows, highlights, etc. so you don't have to set them all each time to get a specific look you like and will use repeatedly.
Effectively, a second look showed me that theses custom settings are for tuning the Jpeg. I was (wrongly) expecting something more general, unfortunately. Now when considering the X-T line is more about physical dials it makes sense (how to store settings if they are triggered by physical dials ?).
- In AF-C I clearly see the AF going back and forth even if the target is not moving. Something reminiscent of Contrast AF system but surprising for a camera with Phase detect sensors (I'm aiming with the center zone focus area). Any hint ?
The X-T20 acts the same way. I don't know why, but it's the reason I only ever use AF-C when I have a subject that is moving around a lot.
I've now spent some time with shooting a moving boy (mine for instance). The back and forth happens when the target goes outside the center AF points (going to contrast ones) and that is logical. Keeping the focus inside the phase detect region, it's ok, but my hit rate is rather less than what I'm used to with the Sony A6000. Also the blackout between frames is pretty pronounced. The metering is also sometimes wandering incorrectly between frames giving under/over exposed photos. The X-T1 is not a sport beast, I was more or less aware, I was expecting a bit better though
- The battery life is a serious problem though but I wonder if the seller told the truth; it told me the original Fuji battery got tired very soon so he bought 2 non oem ones. The reality is I get less than 100 pictures from any of thoses battery. So either the batteries are all lemon, or the XT1 is a battery eater, or worse the problem comes from my very own sample of the camera ?!? Any similar story from anyone here ?
Fuji batteries are notorious for not lasting long, but less than 100 images seems really bad unless you have the camera set up in ways that suck up more power. I try not to use things that take extra juice like the power boost, auto image review, LCD always on, OIS always active, etc. There's another one I can't remember what it's called, pre-focus maybe? It makes the lens constantly focus even when not half-pressing the shutter button and usually isn't worth the split second of time saved when taking a shot.

I have no trouble getting 300-400 images from one battery charge. But that's only if the battery is fresh. My X-T20 drains the battery significantly if it's just sitting around not being used. So if it's two weeks or more between two outings with my camera the battery will deplete much faster than expected. I almost always have a spare with me just in case. A way to avoid the drain which leads to fewer images is to store the battery outside of the camera body and only insert it when you go out. But you risk forgetting and leaving home with no battery that way.
I was not aware that the batteries could discharge when the camera if off. But anyway, I'll have to buy a couple of new ones because apparently thoses delivered with my used camera are seriously lacking endurance. I'm not in the 300-400 pictures range but yes I've set the camera in boost mode. The vendor told me the original Fuji battery went badly very soon so he bought 2 non oem ones, and they are not really better at this stage
So you may wonder why a Fuji for me ? I'm not into Jpeg, nor in manual (à l'ancienne) wheels. Simply because the X-Tx line is beautiful, with a nice centered EVF, a flipping screen, a good size, and a nice sharp zoom. I've hoped Sony would supply a similar body, unfortunately they continue to limit APSC line to small boxes. I wanted a A7 like one but they seem to ignore this segment (or reserve it to FF)
I totally agree with you on the body design of the X-Ts vs. the Sony boxes.
I like the way the Sony delivers in speed / AF / IQ but their design is lackluster (for APS-C); incredibly I prefer their cheap A3000 to the more expensive A6xxx. Also I'm quiet impressed by the Fuji 18-55 (nothing equivalent from Sony) except that it is a bit heavy. I've just ordered the 50-230, I read many positive reviews and I like / need longer reach (at reasonable price)

Thanks for your help
 

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