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PhotoKhan said:
PhotoKhan said:
walter g1 wrote

The problem is Sony is selling the A7ii for $1398, on sale for $998 right now.
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Another Sony user in a national forum also came up with this.

Are you guys reading from some kind of script?

Since when is an over-4-years-old camera a competitor of any kind in such a novelty-geared market like this one?

You guys really should stop seeing any piece of Sony gear as some kind of holy grail...

PK
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What does the Canon's newness allow it to do that the 4 year old A7II can't? The fact of the matter is, short of a miracle with the 6D2 sensor, A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.

That said, Canon's lenses can make up for the feature/IQ gap, possibly. A7II + 24-105G is $2300 I think. If Canon can undercut that with the RF 24-105 by $500-600 they will be making a strong play. Sony has the tech but lenses are their weakness. I'm 3 years in still trying to piece together a decent kit and have basically resigned to adapting Canon stuff.
 
sportyaccordy said:
PhotoKhan said:
sportyaccordy said:
walter g1 wrote

The problem is Sony is selling the A7ii for $1398, on sale for $998 right now.
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Another Sony user in a national forum also came up with this.

Are you guys reading from some kind of script?

Since when is an over-4-years-old camera a competitor of any kind in such a novelty-geared market like this one?

You guys really should stop seeing any piece of Sony gear as some kind of holy grail...

PK
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What does the Canon's newness allow it to do that the 4 year old A7II can't? The fact of the matter is, short of a miracle with the 6D2 sensor, A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.

That said, Canon's lenses can make up for the feature/IQ gap, possibly. A7II + 24-105G is $2300 I think. If Canon can undercut that with the RF 24-105 by $500-600 they will be making a strong play. Sony has the tech but lenses are their weakness. I'm 3 years in still trying to piece together a decent kit and have basically resigned to adapting Canon stuff.
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sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
  • Raw compression issues
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
 
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sportyaccordy said:
PhotoKhan said:
sportyaccordy said:
walter g1 wrote

The problem is Sony is selling the A7ii for $1398, on sale for $998 right now.
Click to expand...
Another Sony user in a national forum also came up with this.

Are you guys reading from some kind of script?

Since when is an over-4-years-old camera a competitor of any kind in such a novelty-geared market like this one?

You guys really should stop seeing any piece of Sony gear as some kind of holy grail...

PK
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What does the Canon's newness allow it to do that the 4 year old A7II can't? The fact of the matter is, short of a miracle with the 6D2 sensor, A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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Amazing!...almost word by word...no, seriously, it is a script, isn't it...? ;)
sportyaccordy said:
That said, Canon's lenses can make up for the feature/IQ gap, possibly. A7II + 24-105G is $2300 I think. If Canon can undercut that with the RF 24-105 by $500-600 they will be making a strong play. Sony has the tech but lenses are their weakness. I'm 3 years in still trying to piece together a decent kit and have basically resigned to adapting Canon stuff.
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PK
 
justmeMN said:
justmeMN said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
  • Raw compression issues
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
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The A7ii stands out in my memory as the worst camera I ever bought. I couldn't wait to get rid of it. My lasting impression is "missed shots". Yes, it's the missed shots camera.

It was sluggish in every way. DPReview forgot to mention how slowly it starts up, or how poorly it autofocuses in low light, etc. Battery life was modest at best.

Based on personal experience with it, I wouldn't buy the A7ii at any price.
 
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justmeMN said:
justmeMN said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7RII "features" include (DPR) "No touchscreen", "No direct AF point control", "Inane interactions between menu items lead to poor experience and too many greyed out items", "Viewfinder eye sensor is over-sensitive", "Lock-on AF still remains unpredictable and often unreliable", etc.

Even the Canon M100 has a touchscreen and touch focus.
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...no use...they're under some kind of spell... ;)

Because Sony has elected to manage inventory the way they do, they think it is a new paradigm in electronics sales.

Not only does the severe price drop not clue them in but they actually manage to turn that into some competitive advantage in their own minds.

PK

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The A7III was originally supposed to get $200 off, in addition to a $200 trade-in bonus. The instant rebate never materialized, perhaps because Sony got wind Canon was going to price the RP higher than they expected. Had the A7III been effectively $1600 next week, I would’ve said an RP body-only at $1600 might as well be DOA. Instead, I’ll just say I’d be highly disappointed with that price.

Canon is likely sitting on a large stockpile of the much-maligned 6Dii sensors that they’d otherwise have trouble making use of. The 6Dii was on sale for around $1300, with various printer rebates or whatnot, literally a few months after it was released. The 6Dii sensor may not deserve all the flack it gets, but a low price on the RP (assuming it’s using this sensor, obviously) is really Canon’s best counter to the inevitable whinging.
 
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Yake said:
justmeMN said:
Yake said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
  • Raw compression issues
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
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The A7ii stands out in my memory as the worst camera I ever bought. I couldn't wait to get rid of it. My lasting impression is "missed shots". Yes, it's the missed shots camera.

It was sluggish in every way. DPReview forgot to mention how slowly it starts up, or how poorly it autofocuses in low light, etc. Battery life was modest at best.

Based on personal experience with it, I wouldn't buy the A7ii at any price.
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What are you comparing it. Just curious, because i have over 20 cameras and they all have quirks.

Canon M1 that is a sluggish camera,
Canon 1dsII worst ever menu system. You need 2 hands to press 2 buttons to change things.
Pentax K-x no lit up AF points in the viewfinder. Has anyone ever came a cross this before?
 
trungtran said:
Yake said:
justmeMN said:
trungtran said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
  • Raw compression issues
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
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The A7ii stands out in my memory as the worst camera I ever bought. I couldn't wait to get rid of it. My lasting impression is "missed shots". Yes, it's the missed shots camera.

It was sluggish in every way. DPReview forgot to mention how slowly it starts up, or how poorly it autofocuses in low light, etc. Battery life was modest at best.

Based on personal experience with it, I wouldn't buy the A7ii at any price.
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What are you comparing it. Just curious, because i have over 20 cameras and they all have quirks.

Canon M1 that is a sluggish camera,
Canon 1dsII worst ever menu system. You need 2 hands to press 2 buttons to change things.
Pentax K-x no lit up AF points in the viewfinder. Has anyone ever came a cross this before?
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Every camera has quirks. But the a7ii is just bad and annoying — too slow for my uses. I sold it and got another 6D, which starts up instantly, whether from power off or sleep, and which can focus in almost any light (albeit on the center AF point). The 6D also has a much better battery.

All of the Canon 1D series require 2 hands for everything. That's a well-designed pro feature. It means a setting is never set by accident, only intentionally.
 
justmeMN said:
justmeMN said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
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No worse than the 6D2
justmeMN said:
  • Raw compression issues
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I haven't seen it in thousands of photos
justmeMN said:
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
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Not a FF MILC
justmeMN said:
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
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All fair points.
justmeMN said:
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
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Sure there is... hit the Menu button while you review.
justmeMN said:
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
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All fair points, but not deal breakers IMO.

How much is all that stuff worth to you?
 
walter g1 said:
sportyaccordy said:
PhotoKhan said:
walter g1 said:
walter g1 wrote

The problem is Sony is selling the A7ii for $1398, on sale for $998 right now.
Click to expand...
Another Sony user in a national forum also came up with this.

Are you guys reading from some kind of script?

Since when is an over-4-years-old camera a competitor of any kind in such a novelty-geared market like this one?

You guys really should stop seeing any piece of Sony gear as some kind of holy grail...

PK
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What does the Canon's newness allow it to do that the 4 year old A7II can't? The fact of the matter is, short of a miracle with the 6D2 sensor, A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.

That said, Canon's lenses can make up for the feature/IQ gap, possibly. A7II + 24-105G is $2300 I think. If Canon can undercut that with the RF 24-105 by $500-600 they will be making a strong play. Sony has the tech but lenses are their weakness. I'm 3 years in still trying to piece together a decent kit and have basically resigned to adapting Canon stuff.
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Add to that:

Sony also has a A7ii kit packaged with the 28mm-70mm kit lens for only $200 more.

So for $1198 you can get the Sony with kit lens. For someone just starting out in Full Frame mirrorless that is a mighty tempting package.
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The Sony kit lens is terrible though. Seriously, speed and AF speed aside, the 24-105 STM is better than most Sony 24-xx zooms. That's Sony's biggest weakness compared to Canon
 
Ed Wren said:
Ed Wren wrote

Canon is likely sitting on a large stockpile of the much-maligned 6Dii sensors that they’d otherwise have trouble making use of.
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Canon likely adjusts sensor manufacturing output to match camera demand, so that there isn't an excess sensor supply.

Even if the senor is based on the 6DII, Canon will probably do some minor tweaks to optimize it for mirrorless. I thought Canon did that with the original R but (sigh) can't find the source.
 
Yake said:
trungtran said:
Yake said:
justmeMN said:
Yake said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
Click to expand...
The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
  • Raw compression issues
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
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The A7ii stands out in my memory as the worst camera I ever bought. I couldn't wait to get rid of it. My lasting impression is "missed shots". Yes, it's the missed shots camera.

It was sluggish in every way. DPReview forgot to mention how slowly it starts up, or how poorly it autofocuses in low light, etc. Battery life was modest at best.

Based on personal experience with it, I wouldn't buy the A7ii at any price.
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What are you comparing it. Just curious, because i have over 20 cameras and they all have quirks.

Canon M1 that is a sluggish camera,
Canon 1dsII worst ever menu system. You need 2 hands to press 2 buttons to change things.
Pentax K-x no lit up AF points in the viewfinder. Has anyone ever came a cross this before?
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Every camera has quirks. But the a7ii is just bad and annoying — too slow for my uses. I sold it and got another 6D, which starts up instantly, whether from power off or sleep, and which can focus in almost any light (albeit on the center AF point). The 6D also has a much better battery.

All of the Canon 1D series require 2 hands for everything. That's a well-designed pro feature. It means a setting is never set by accident, only intentionally.
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Have you used any other MILCs? They are all garbage compared to DSLRs in terms of start up, responsiveness and battery life.
 
justmeMN said:
Bhotoz said:
I don't see M- and R-systems as "competitors". If you want small and light system, there is M. Yes, RP and RF 35 is pretty compact, but add there more FF lenses, like wide angle and tele zoom, you will need bigger camera bag and it will be much heavier
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To use an extreme example, the current 50mm RF lens, compared to the 51mm equivalent EF-M lens.

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Very misleading. Why the 50/1.2 L and R? A more direct comparison would be the RP and a consumer grade (like the 35/1.8) 50mm f/1.8 RF lens, which would be significantly smaller than that.

Also considering that is a 50mm f/1.2 on a FF sensor vs a 50mm F/2 equivalent APS-C sensor, that is pretty small. Let's have a look at the M50 with a 32mm f/0.7 lens, itll be even bigger than the FF option.
 
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sportyaccordy said:
justmeMN said:
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
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No worse than the 6D2
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No it is worse.
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
  • Raw compression issues
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I haven't seen it in thousands of photos
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Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's doesn't exist.
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
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Not a FF MILC
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Compared to the RP it is
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
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All fair points.
sportyaccordy said:
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
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Sure there is... hit the Menu button while you review.
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It's absolutely sluggish and unbearably low-resolution. The worst screen on any FF camera.
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
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All fair points, but not deal breakers IMO.

How much is all that stuff worth to you?
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Ebrahim Saadawi said:
sportyaccordy said:
justmeMN said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
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No worse than the 6D2
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No it is worse.
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • Raw compression issues
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I haven't seen it in thousands of photos
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Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's doesn't exist.
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
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Not a FF MILC
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Compared to the RP it is
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
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All fair points.
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
Click to expand...
Sure there is... hit the Menu button while you review.
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It's absolutely sluggish and unbearably low-resolution. The worst screen on any FF camera.
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
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All fair points, but not deal breakers IMO.

How much is all that stuff worth to you?
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-HEDIOUS LCD & EVF (my Samsung P&S has a much nicer LCD)

-AF is basically the current world's worst award winner. It's not even good with static subjects.

-Battery life is terrible.

-Video quality is absolute sh*t. 5DII sh*t. Soft heavy aliased 1080p with colour moire and terrible noise in S-Log with 1600 base ISO.

-IBIS is basically non-existentin video shooting.

-No video AF like the Canons,

-Horrible menus

-No sleek tough UI

-Badly designed cramped body with tiny non-ergonomic design and tiny grip

-Screen only tilts up & down vs the R/p

- AWB & Jpeg engine give unpleasant results

-Expensive glass with a few key omissions like the 35mm 1.8 IS, a horrible kit lens

I can go on. As a sensor box to get FF shallow DOF with vintage adapted glass it's a great option at 999$, as a modern FF Milc? Hell no! The RP is shaping up to be a MUCH nicer and more modern budget FF option.

Not hating on Sony,

the A7III fixes every single one of these issues that kept me from liking the A7II so there's that (though IBIS, glass, AWB/Jpegs, body design are still things I'd like to see improved soon. Oh and the EVF & LCD situation HAS to change in the era of the 0.8x 3.8M DOT OLED & 3.1 inch 2.1M pixel fully articulated touch on the Z6/R/P)
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"Not hating on Sony"

The litany of errors in this post suggest otherwise. Remember, the RF doesn't even exist lol. A7II was pretty good. If it had silent shooting and Eye AF-C I'd still have it.
 
sportyaccordy said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
sportyaccordy said:
justmeMN said:
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
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No worse than the 6D2
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No it is worse.
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
  • Raw compression issues
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I haven't seen it in thousands of photos
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Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's doesn't exist.
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
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Not a FF MILC
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Compared to the RP it is
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
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All fair points.
sportyaccordy said:
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
Click to expand...
Sure there is... hit the Menu button while you review.
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It's absolutely sluggish and unbearably low-resolution. The worst screen on any FF camera.
sportyaccordy said:
sportyaccordy said:
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
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All fair points, but not deal breakers IMO.

How much is all that stuff worth to you?
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-HEDIOUS LCD & EVF (my Samsung P&S has a much nicer LCD)

-AF is basically the current world's worst award winner. It's not even good with static subjects.

-Battery life is terrible.

-Video quality is absolute sh*t. 5DII sh*t. Soft heavy aliased 1080p with colour moire and terrible noise in S-Log with 1600 base ISO.

-IBIS is basically non-existentin video shooting.

-No video AF like the Canons,

-Horrible menus

-No sleek tough UI

-Badly designed cramped body with tiny non-ergonomic design and tiny grip

-Screen only tilts up & down vs the R/p

- AWB & Jpeg engine give unpleasant results

-Expensive glass with a few key omissions like the 35mm 1.8 IS, a horrible kit lens

I can go on. As a sensor box to get FF shallow DOF with vintage adapted glass it's a great option at 999$, as a modern FF Milc? Hell no! The RP is shaping up to be a MUCH nicer and more modern budget FF option.

Not hating on Sony,

the A7III fixes every single one of these issues that kept me from liking the A7II so there's that (though IBIS, glass, AWB/Jpegs, body design are still things I'd like to see improved soon. Oh and the EVF & LCD situation HAS to change in the era of the 0.8x 3.8M DOT OLED & 3.1 inch 2.1M pixel fully articulated touch on the Z6/R/P)
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"Not hating on Sony"

The litany of errors in this post suggest otherwise. Remember, the RF doesn't even exist lol. A7II was pretty good. If it had silent shooting and Eye AF-C I'd still have it.
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PhotoKhan said:
PhotoKhan said:
walter g1 wrote

The problem is Sony is selling the A7ii for $1398, on sale for $998 right now.
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Another Sony user in a national forum also came up with this.

Are you guys reading from some kind of script?

Since when is an over-4-years-old camera a competitor of any kind in such a novelty-geared market like this one?

You guys really should stop seeing any piece of Sony gear as some kind of holy grail...

PK
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it is very likely that Sony pays for an army of social media trolls to put out stuff like this. It's too coordinated and too many for this to be a coincidence.

The admins of sites like Nikon Rumors, and even Roger Cicala of Lens Rentals, has noticed this militant form of Sony trolling.

And you are right...what is funny is that the same talking points are repeated over and over again, sometimes almost verbatim. It's like a coordinated political campaign.
 
We all need to remember that the price of almost all goods is dynamic and not static. It will change over time. Also over time manufacturing costs will come down with efficiencies of scale. Tim Cook of Apple has often referred to this as the bending of the cost curve.

I am sure that a company like Canon when they come out with a new model of camera also have a pricing model for it, one that anticipates a drop in price over time. I believe this is one area where, as others have suggested, Canon as a business excels. They know how to price dynamically over time so as to maximize profits.

When this new model is introduced, every reviewer will judge it based on its original price point. But this will not be entirely accurate, since that price won't hold forever.

For instance, when the 6DII came out, some reviewers criticized it, basing some of that on the price point. But they would have evaluated it differently at its current price point. Not a single one of those reviewers publish any sort of follow up evaluation based on the latest price; that's normal, but it also means that any review is obsolete.

So we need to keep this in mind; the price will change over time.
 
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
sportyaccordy said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
sportyaccordy said:
justmeMN said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
sportyaccordy wrote: A7II has better IQ and IBIS, along with what looks like the same features/performance otherwise.
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The A7II "features" include (DPR):
  • Noisy high ISO images compared to full-frame competitors
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No worse than the 6D2
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No it is worse.
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • Raw compression issues
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I haven't seen it in thousands of photos
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Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's doesn't exist.
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • Heavy for a mirrorless camera
Click to expand...
Not a FF MILC
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Compared to the RP it is
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • Control dials are small, and too recessed
  • Subject tracking in continuous AF can be unreliable
  • No programmable auto ISO
Click to expand...
All fair points.
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • No quick way to magnify AF point to 100% to check focus in Image Review/Playback
Click to expand...
Sure there is... hit the Menu button while you review.
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It's absolutely sluggish and unbearably low-resolution. The worst screen on any FF camera.
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
Ebrahim Saadawi said:
  • There is no silent shooting mode and the shutter is quite loud, especially for a mirrorless camera
  • Over-sensitive eye sensor
  • No touchscreen
Click to expand...
All fair points, but not deal breakers IMO.

How much is all that stuff worth to you?
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-HEDIOUS LCD & EVF (my Samsung P&S has a much nicer LCD)

-AF is basically the current world's worst award winner. It's not even good with static subjects.

-Battery life is terrible.

-Video quality is absolute sh*t. 5DII sh*t. Soft heavy aliased 1080p with colour moire and terrible noise in S-Log with 1600 base ISO.

-IBIS is basically non-existentin video shooting.

-No video AF like the Canons,

-Horrible menus

-No sleek tough UI

-Badly designed cramped body with tiny non-ergonomic design and tiny grip

-Screen only tilts up & down vs the R/p

- AWB & Jpeg engine give unpleasant results

-Expensive glass with a few key omissions like the 35mm 1.8 IS, a horrible kit lens

I can go on. As a sensor box to get FF shallow DOF with vintage adapted glass it's a great option at 999$, as a modern FF Milc? Hell no! The RP is shaping up to be a MUCH nicer and more modern budget FF option.

Not hating on Sony,

the A7III fixes every single one of these issues that kept me from liking the A7II so there's that (though IBIS, glass, AWB/Jpegs, body design are still things I'd like to see improved soon. Oh and the EVF & LCD situation HAS to change in the era of the 0.8x 3.8M DOT OLED & 3.1 inch 2.1M pixel fully articulated touch on the Z6/R/P)
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"Not hating on Sony"

The litany of errors in this post suggest otherwise. Remember, the RF doesn't even exist lol. A7II was pretty good. If it had silent shooting and Eye AF-C I'd still have it.
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What "errors"? Every single review points them out too, not just me.
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Yes, the A7II was a mediocre release at best and it was only with the A7III that Sony brought that product line back to life. Even the Sony fans wanted to forget about that model.
 
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