Don't they like the USA anymore?

The main reason why it did not got worst is because the economy
during the Clinton era has accumulated so much trade surplus that
Bush couldn't squander it fast enough but he did a good job with
the U.S.A. image with the world. That's almost irrepearable!
ROFLMAO...such trade surpluses?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHA....It is during the Clinton Administration that US trade deficit grew to near $400billion/year. His stronger dollar and pro-union policies totally priced us out of the world market and if it were for the tech bubble, the economy would have been going south long ago. I'm glad to see Bush abandoning the unsustainable strong dollar policy, though I would like to see it weaken another 20% gradually to about the level of the 1980s. It may cause some short-term inflation, but that's a helluva better than bleeding out 4% of our GDP every year and facing a big economic shock later on.
you may have cheap DSL access but we are a free country....
DMCA, PATRIOT, PATRIOT-II...

You have a funny definition of "free"
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This is interesting because what you're saying is that if another country does something wrong then it's alright for the United States to do it also. This is very much a flawed logic for obvious reasons.

Something you may need to know about the US is that the US had continually broken the Geneva accord in the past. One example is that they sold Iraq weapons of mass distruction including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992 when Iraq was at war with Iran (timespan of Regan and George Bush Sr. administration), which Iraq then used on Iran as well as the Kurds. Sure this was in the best interest of USA because at the time Iran was a major threat to them, but whats horrid is that the US is now clearly aiming all responsibility on Saddam even though they knew that Saddam was extremely unstable and that he should had never been given these toxic agents in the first place.

The second point is that by going into Iraq unilaterally after putting the resolution 1441 into affect with respect to the vote in from the UN, the US clearly went behind the UN and the resolution which they pushed into affect. Without any evidence, the United States clearly broke the Geneva Accord again. Of course, i'm not saying that Saddam was innocent and shouldn't have been thrown from power, but really what the US did was completely illegal. To take over power of a country which was cooperating with the UN without any evidence to do so is wrong, it is obvious.

Now as a Canadian, I can say that the American people are great people, but I do believe that the American govenment tends to be power mogering and needs to change, especially with regards to how they deal with the other countries in the world, in their best interest or not.

Anyways, this is a camera forum, so I'll stop here. But I think there is a lot of information that most americans don't know. Especially when watching CNN and other highly one sided news agencies.
While breaking the geneva accord by stepping foot in Iraq
unilaterally?
What part of the geneva accord was broken? So what about Kosovo?
Do you think Clinton as well as those other NATO leaders broken
whatever part of the geneva accord that Bush supposedly broke in
Iraq?
Think of it this way, United States put the resolution 1441 on the table, which was voted movement by the UN. But because it was not adhered to with the US unilaterally going into Iraq, they broke the Geneva
If Bush and his administration were good at leading the United
States then they would take into account all the countries they do
deals with, when they deal with them. If they shun these countries,
like they and other administrations have done before, then they'll
be shooting themselves in the foot for the future. Because, United
States cannot function on it's own; it needs to co-exist with every
country that keeps it's economy going.
You've never heard of the phrase "there are no friends in
international relations, only interests." This has always been
true and is especially evident today. I don't deny that the world
is changing and becoming increasingly interdependent, it is
precisely during this transitional period that countries try to
shape the world to their advantage. Bush correctly uses the
leverage of American power to further our interests and our goals.
That is what he's supposed to do because he is the president of
this country and his duties is to serve Americans and Americans
only. Yes, we do take into account all the countries we deal with.
If it is in our interest to be friends with certain countries, then
we will be friendly with them, and if it is neccessary to be
hostile, then we will do that too.
 
Clark is interesting. I'm actually not a Republican. A lot of issues like environment, education and health care I agree with the Democrats, but there are two that are deal breakers for me, and those are unfair taxes and labor unions. If Clark is not too far left on those issues. Then he is a possibility. However, he's hardly a hero though. His execution of the Kosovo war was weak and unimaginative and he is a military beauracrat. Right now, he's sounding like all other leftists, all talk and no substance, only blaming based on the effect and not looking at the cause. But I guess that's politics.

In the end, polls today may mean nothing. There is still over a year before the election. If the economy picks up fast (which it seems to be doing now with projected growth of 6% this quarter), Bush will probably still win. After all, Americans almost always voted based on domestic policy first.
Give Gen'l Clark another week or two, and we'll see him beating
Bush in the polls. Talk about cannon fodder at the VFW posts!!!
Bush who conveniently contrived to serve out of harms way and
advance on his daddy's shirt tails vs. a real live military general
who earned his success the hard way.

He's the first candidate in 30 years that I feel ready to work for
again - hope springs eternal.

Cliff.
The more that 50% of Americans who aren't happy with the present
appointee?

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You have no idea what you are talking about. The Geneva convention has nothing to do with selling weapons or supporting one regime over another. It also has nothing to do with the UN resolutions or lack thereof. There was nothing technically illegal about what the US did in Iraq because no international laws were broken. Why? because there is no international law stating one country cannot attack another if there are conflicts between them. The Geneva convention even sets rules on how an occupying power should administer an occupied country, why would they do that if occupying is illegal in the first place? The only world body that can say international laws are broken is the UN Security Council. I don't remember a resolution condemning the US for breaking any international laws, do you? Okay, so we are a permanent member and one would never have been pass, but was one even proposed?
 
The european economy (western part at least) is a mess too. They are facing the same economic problems we are and their growth potential is even worse due to the less than friendly business environment. Really you are reading too much into this whole digital camera thing. Certain goods will be more popular in one area of the world than another. Take cell phones for example. We invented it, yet American market was never number 1 in that industry. Today, we still have less than half the model of cell phones that are available in Asian and European markets? Why? Because manufacturers see that most Americans would rather use free low-end handsets than high-end expensive ones full of gadgets.

For digital camera, this year the EU overtook the North America as the biggest market. This is because they have more consumers and digital camera market was less saturated there than here. It's not surprising that more are sold there. Also, I don't get your point about energy costs. Oil prices is set globally. They buy it for the same price that we do. The reason europe currently have higher oil prices is because of taxes and probably more stringent environmental laws.
 
While breaking the geneva accord by stepping foot in Iraq
unilaterally?
What part of the geneva accord was broken? So what about Kosovo?
Do you think Clinton as well as those other NATO leaders broken
whatever part of the geneva accord that Bush supposedly broke in
Iraq?
Think of it this way, United States put the resolution 1441 on the
table, which was voted movement by the UN. But because it was not
adhered to with the US unilaterally going into Iraq, they broke the
Geneva
I pointed Kosovo out because I want to show how hypocritical some countries are. Kosovo War did not have any UN approval either. Yet, certain countries that pushed for it and took part in it feel that's justified while screaming foul play in the case of Iraq? Why, did they choose to ignore the UN in one case and all of sudden believe in UN supremacy in another?
 
I think I am wasting my time trying to open the eyes of the blind
Repubicans living in a stage of denial. It's as clear as daylight
the Republicans policy of only focusing on the rich won't work!
Man, you left wingers are full of great one-liners and never bring any substance. And that's your favorite one of all. Let's put that into perspectives see how unfair you leftists idea of taxing the rich to the death is.

Quote: Barry from the taxfoundation.org.

Let's put the proposed tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this.

The first four men -- the poorest -- would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man -- the richest -- would pay $59.

That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut).

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six -- the paying customers? How could They divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, Then the fifth man and The sixth man would and up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man, then, pointing to the tenth. "But he got $7!". "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too, ........It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!".

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man," why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!".

Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate
without him.

But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill! Imagine that!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax

system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. They might just take their business offshore, or something; they're getting beaten up no matter what they do.

Where would that leave the rest? Unfortunately, most taxing authorities anywhere cannot seem to grasp this rather straightforward logic
 
This proofs nothing at all...

In relation to the income the richest has still left a multiple of the second richest...with the poorest still having nothing at all.
I wouldn't call that "taxed to death".

Apart from that...if really have money you have allready invested that money in a way to save taxes or to make more money just because you already have money. Anf you multi billion dollars business HAS already moved offshores because it is cheaper in every way and you want to get richer in every way you can by exploiting the tax system, the poor people offshore, the people in your own country.
Come on...there never is loyality, good will where the money is...

It needs work, taxes, healthcare, insurence,...and many other things to keep an economy healthy tax cuts don't work as long as the corporations don't understand they have to spent money to keep the market healthy.

Sonebody who earns more will buy better quality because he can! Nobody would buy a 300D if he could afford a 10D or a 1Ds...or a Leica R8 and a 5000€ digital back to keep the money in Europe!!!

By the way...producing and selling weapons is immoral either way you put it...doesn't matter if you sell it to Iran or in the US! I don't trust a nation that heavily depends on selling weapons all around the world while 13% of the people live in poverty.
I think I am wasting my time trying to open the eyes of the blind
Repubicans living in a stage of denial. It's as clear as daylight
the Republicans policy of only focusing on the rich won't work!
Man, you left wingers are full of great one-liners and never bring
any substance. And that's your favorite one of all. Let's put
that into perspectives see how unfair you leftists idea of taxing
the rich to the death is.

Quote: Barry from the taxfoundation.org.

Let's put the proposed tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all
ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our
taxes, it would go something like this.

The first four men -- the poorest -- would pay nothing; the fifth
would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth
$12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man -- the richest -- would pay
$59.

That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the
restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement
until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax
cut).

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to
reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the
ten only cost $80.00.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for
free. But what about the other six -- the paying customers? How
could They divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his
"fair share?"

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, Then the fifth man and The
sixth man would and up being PAID to eat their meal. So the
restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each
man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out
the amounts each should pay.

And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the
seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving
the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each
of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
to eat for free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their
savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth
man, then, pointing to the tenth. "But he got $7!". "Yeah, that's
right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too,
........It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!".

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man," why should he get $7 back
when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!".

Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down
and ate
without him.

But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little
late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of
paying the bill! Imagine that!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is
how the tax
system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for
being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.
They might just take their business offshore, or something; they're
getting beaten up no matter what they do.

Where would that leave the rest? Unfortunately, most taxing
authorities anywhere cannot seem to grasp this rather
straightforward logic
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Well ... yes! Imagine: most BMW 7 series models are sold in ... China! For incredible 250,000 Euros for a 760!
In Germany its price is 116,000 Euros. Think about that.
Africa, maybe not - yet. India, most certainly. China too. Times
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He thinks he will help the ecomony :)
Although the Canadian healthcare system isn't perfect, it's still
better then whats available in the US.
nothing to do with the original question you may have cheap DSL
access but we are a free country....
oh and they have that great healthcare system too, remember? ;)
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Funny how people can be so ignorant of so much..the President does
not create jobs or lose them...also, the economy went downhill
before President Bush took office..and its been on an upswing
lately thanks in part to President bush doing what little the
democrats and liberals will let him...your posts by the way had
nothing to do with the original question you may have cheap DSL
access but we are a free country....

http://www.pbase.com/wbrosen/photoart
Also, the U.S. is becoming less free every day. Did you know there
are some nut balls out there that want to make protesting an act of
terror?

Meanwhile sports fans and college kids can insight a riot when
their team wins. A riot that often results in the injury or death
of innocent bystanders as well as destruction of public and private
property. They receive a slap on the wrist by the way. Oh yeah and
then whine about it being unfair.

BTW, when a president runs for office with creating new jobs in his
platform he better deliver.
Who brought up english football? Or do you think the sports riots
are new too?
AHHHH. Blessed are the ignorant.

University of MN 2002 Gopher Hockey wins National championship, Students riot. Three people not involved in the riot are injured 2 hospitalized. 2 cars belonging to students also not involved in the riot are tipped over and burned.

University of CO at Boulder. School's Chancelor tries to curb underage binge drinking at his school, students riot hurling burning dumpsters into local shops.

Locals news reports, interviewed students whine about how their behavior after school shouldn't get them suspended or expelled (IMO a slap on the wrist). Must be junior GOP.

Anti-war protestors in San Fransisco and Oregon block a little traffic... Deemed terrorists.
Clearly a product of unionized education. if Clinton
hadn't crapped everything up and had really gone after Saddam like
he said he was, we wouldn't be in this situation.
I'm gonna have to call B.S. on this one. If Bush SR. finished the job in '91 we wouldn't be in this situation. Clearly all he wanted was oil. Oh wait.. and the fact that he and Regan were responseable for creating Saddam in the first place by giving him money and weapons, guess he wouldn't want to welch out on a deal huh?
Instead he left the economy sliding into a recession and left Saddam > thinking that all he had to be concerned with were a couple of cruise > missiles if the President were caught cheating on his wife (again). > However, I agree, Hillary's strident calls for restricting the press and
radio protests were over the top. Too bad she can't be consistent.
Apparently protesting about George is OK but Slick was off limits.
Instead Clinton left the economy sliding BACK into the Recession GWB Sr. left Clinton who BTW did a pretty good job recovering the economy, now if Gore hadn't been robbed...

I thought elephants never forgot. But it seems your memory fails you. Or are you suffering from Adult A.D.D.?

Well were here talking about real issues and rights and your comparing it to an embarrasing B.J. If that's all you got you better bone up on some things yourself. hehe.

And if you want to talk censorship, how about the poor guy in a TX prison who was thrown into solitary confinment by then Gov. Bush Sr. the very day he was about to tell the press that he sold A LOT of cocain to Dan Quail in college. Which would have destroyed the Bush Quail ticket.
Anybody that believes that the US isn't the dominant market can't
count.
Where have you been? Do you really not know why the rest of the world doesn't want to give the U.S. money for our illegitimate war effort? Maybe it's because were like a bad debit credit risk. You are aware of all the money we owe the world right?
California would be a dominant market by itself if we
weren't putting all of our money into state taxes (thanks Gray,
gotta luv ya, And his (not) sidekick has promised 8 billion in new
taxes.
Well Gray was right about one thing - "California is very diverse, we have people from several different planets here".

But hey if you don't like him just use your possibly endangered right to vote and go with Arnold "group sex" Schwarzenegger. I can just hear it now... Hiel Schwarzenegger!

Funny how his father was a **** and GWB Sr. was director of the CIA which was founded by captured members of the German SS after they were spared by the government for information about Russia, which was false but started the cold war anyway. Now GWB Jr.'s backing him like a good boy. You may think this is crazy but be careful, Fasict governments value input from their socialist couterparts. The next thing you know you may be forced to live in a world with socialized medecine and god forbid, the morning after pill available to women. AAAAAAAA!
Seriously, if you can't turn out enough quality product, why bother
cracking a market that you can't supply.
Well said.

I don't hate Republicans just hypocricy.
 
$87 billion later. Or after we install puppet governments in the entire Middle East. Or should we just invade Russia and have Siberia's vast natural resources to ourselves. Wake up America..... IT'S YOUR LEADER!
ps I am an American
The european economy (western part at least) is a mess too. They
are facing the same economic problems we are and their growth
potential is even worse due to the less than friendly business
environment. Really you are reading too much into this whole
digital camera thing. Certain goods will be more popular in one
area of the world than another. Take cell phones for example. We
invented it, yet American market was never number 1 in that
industry. Today, we still have less than half the model of cell
phones that are available in Asian and European markets? Why?
Because manufacturers see that most Americans would rather use free
low-end handsets than high-end expensive ones full of gadgets.

For digital camera, this year the EU overtook the North America as
the biggest market. This is because they have more consumers and
digital camera market was less saturated there than here. It's not
surprising that more are sold there. Also, I don't get your point
about energy costs. Oil prices is set globally. They buy it for
the same price that we do. The reason europe currently have higher
oil prices is because of taxes and probably more stringent
environmental laws.
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Damn myself - I couldn't resist.

Its EXACTLY this kind of talk which make people hate America, but you are so wrapped up in your self importance that you either don't see it, or don't care.

I am British, and I want Blair out. Blair and Bush fought a war for one reason - to get their filthy hands on the oil in Iraq. If you think otherwise, then you are blind. The reason wasn't terrorism, it wasn't WMD, it wasn't to free the Iraqi people. They are liars.

Saddam had to go beause he wasn't pumping enough oil. Now the "civilized" West can get access to the oil for free, becuase they award all the contracts to western companies to rebuild the Iraq that we destroyed. So we are all winners, except the thousands upon thousands of Iraqi peopl who have died.
 
The european economy (western part at least) is a mess too. They
are facing the same economic problems we are and their growth
potential is even worse due to the less than friendly business
environment. Really you are reading too much into this whole
digital camera thing. Certain goods will be more popular in one
area of the world than another. Take cell phones for example. We
invented it, yet American market was never number 1 in that
industry. Today, we still have less than half the model of cell
phones that are available in Asian and European markets? Why?
Because manufacturers see that most Americans would rather use free
low-end handsets than high-end expensive ones full of gadgets.

For digital camera, this year the EU overtook the North America as
the biggest market. This is because they have more consumers and
digital camera market was less saturated there than here. It's not
surprising that more are sold there. Also, I don't get your point
about energy costs. Oil prices is set globally. They buy it for
the same price that we do. The reason europe currently have higher
oil prices is because of taxes and probably more stringent
environmental laws.
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After reading about the lack of interest in the US market, I don't
get it with these camera and electronics manufacturers. The largest
consumer market in the world, and they won't release new products
in the USA. Don't they like us anymore? Maybe the European
Community is the new consumer hotbed. That Euro sure looks inviting.
Why is it that USA should have the very latest and best when the rest of the world have to put up with yesteryear's models? Some people are just ignorant, believing that every new product must be introduced first in the Land of Opportunity before being rolled out everywhere else.
 
Hmmm...if I recall correctly, during the SARS scare, the great
canadian health care system overloaded and a lot of patients have
to come south of border for treatment. Hmmm, a few thousand people
infect and it overload the health care system of an entire country?
Considering that the first USA SARS scare happened some eight years ago...

Foo!
 
You stil lget all the electronivs about 20-30% cheaper then we do.

Other than that, if we get technical, the european union has more inhabitants tehn the USA does, but let's not get technical :)

Another thing, things are usually released "a day before" in europe than in the USA because of the simple reason the the world is split into time-zones.

And imho most releases lately have been in the japan, sincem ost electronics manufacturers are there, ad japan is the most gadget loving country on this globe.
 
ROFLMAO...such trade surpluses?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHA....It is during the
Clinton Administration that US trade deficit grew to near
$400billion/year. His stronger dollar and pro-union policies
totally priced us out of the world market and if it were for the
tech bubble, the economy would have been going south long ago. I'm
glad to see Bush abandoning the unsustainable strong dollar policy,
though I would like to see it weaken another 20% gradually to about
the level of the 1980s. It may cause some short-term inflation,
but that's a helluva better than bleeding out 4% of our GDP every
year and facing a big economic shock later on.
Manufacturers across the USA are complaining that a strong dollar is killing their survival, and it is. Unfortunately, it has been sometime... what, a decade? ... before a bright guy could figure out such a thing.

Heck, it would alleviate some of the pressures of a current account deficit.
 

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