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Rumored specs of new FF Canon EOS RP
- Thread starter pyla
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IMO, this is why EOS M being incompatible with the R is not a problem. It is intended for a different audience and it is successful so far. Canon do not need an APS-C Rebel anymore.
I hope not. But could be.So Canon makes a new EOS R compatible with EOS M5 and M6 not in terms of lenses, but in terms of batteries.
Yes, the future is in mirrorless cameras. But there will be more aps-c than FF buyers, because of size, weight and price of the system.
caterpillar
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That lower IQ isn't as low as you think. If the shutter speed is fast and you are using Progressive, not Interlaced, it can be pretty good. All cameras I know are using P nowadays. And it's not as if h.264 engine has not improved through the years. If you make that 4k footage go more than 100mbit like what Panasonic's GH5's can do, you can see the quality improvements. Make it 4:2:2 and 10-bit too, and you know that 8mp you extract from that h264 can be very good indeed.
Remember too, that if a camera can shoot 4k in 30p or 60p without cropping, that shows you the state of development and sophistication of the sensor + processor + software of a firm has. And that is why Canon is lagging way behind. In short, not all h264 implementations are the same. It takes a fast sensor readout, a fast efficient processor and good software to get all that done right. Because Canon is way behind in all 3 CSF, they either crop heavily, and/or using even worse codec like mjpeg.
You may disagree with me on quality, but I know it is very good as far as Panasonic and Sony images extracted from video goes. And if a camera can do 4k-30p in 35FF, it can do 20-30fps x 8mp in shooting raw + stills barring sensor or processor limitation. The development and results you can get from video is useful for photos. The A9's or XT-3 ability to do 20fps in stills, is a testament to their advancement in video. It's not the other way around. You didn't do stills that can knock out 20fps then use that same tech to do the 4k-30p video. It's the other way around.
In the hands of other camera makers like RED or higher end video cameras, video frame grabs can be pretty amazing. This is an 8k frame grab (about 32mp) from a RED camera.
Now tell me if that is not impressive.
Here is another 8k frame grab:
Even this 4k frame grab is impressive!
Now, tell me stills photography won't benefit from that!
Granting that RED cameras are way beyond most of out budgets, it does show the possibility and the value of video. In the hands of Sony or Panasonic, we might get very close results in time at more "affordable" or reachable prices. It may take 5 years for 8k to get down to maybe A7-3 prices, but we are moving towards that. Not any different when we went from vga rez to 720i, then to 1080i/p, then to 4k.
This is why, stills shooters may not like video or do video, but the improvement in IQ, shooting speeds, AF speeds, etc is because R&D was focused on implementing it well in video. If you can knock out 8mp x 30fps, then you are on your way to 24mp x 20fps. This is why 8k is so important. You master 32mp x 30p, you can use that same tech in pure stills photography.
I don't know if they will take baby or interim steps with 6k (18-19mp), but for the 2020 Olympics those who can are eyeing 8k-30p video. They want to get 8k in video righht, not 6k. Any breakthrough they get from that can be ported to stills shooting. To that end, maybe we might get 6k rez equivalent instead from that 8k, not the full 32mp. Maybe with some cropping. But stills photographers owe it to video for advancing stills shooting capabilities.
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I do not know. How much is this crop downsized? Why don't you post the whole image?In the hands of other camera makers like RED or higher end video cameras, video frame grabs can be pretty amazing. This is an 8k frame grab (about 32mp) from a RED camera.
Now tell me if that is not impressive.
This definitely is not impressive. With low expectations, it is OK but it cannot be compared to a good JPEG downsized to 8mp or even at 100%.Here is another 8k frame grab:
It is very good for 8mp but the last time I had an 8mp camera was a decade ago, and the camera was the Canon 350D.Even this 4k frame grab is impressive!
nice
nice
prefer the extra 20% of the EOS-R
prefer top monitor
will come in firmware release for EOS-R
prefer EOS-R - every pixel is a AF sensor
sportyaccordy
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Because there is no longer any money left to be made in the low end. The margins are low and the customers are dwindling.
captura
Forum Pro
The first pictures and specs of the new Canon EOS RP mirrorless camera have leaked
Short and thin. Has the same kit lens as the R.
https://www.diyphotography.net/the-...w-canon-eos-rp-mirrorless-camera-have-leaked/
Short and thin. Has the same kit lens as the R.
https://www.diyphotography.net/the-...w-canon-eos-rp-mirrorless-camera-have-leaked/
captura
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New info. 485g (presumably with batteries and memory card)Because plastic is lighter than metal.
The Canon SL2 DSLR is "406g (Body only)".
The SL2 weighs 15.98 ounces (453 grams) with a battery and memory card.
captura
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Your M5 has a small APS-C sensor.
This RP is somewhat similar to the original small Sony A7.
captura
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Only Canon and Fuji are persisting with new APS-C models. And I'm not so sure about Canon, in the future.
M43 may become extinct.
captura
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Not enough lenses for the M line. They pulled a Sony there, very clever. I suppose that both Canon M and Sony APSC lines may become extinct, eventually.I just reposted this photoshopped RP vs M5 size comparison. It's an M5 with a FAT grip.
I am getting M50 vibe rather than M5 actually. It's interesting to see how Canon will treat both lines anyhow
captura
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I guess that there might be several non-compete agreements in the industry. Sony and Nikon pulled Olympus out of the hole financially a few years ago, and there was some technology sharing. Also....an agreement not to compete on each other's turf? Also possible may be a secret agreement between Fuji and Sony.
And maybe Samsung with whomever? I know, sheer speculation on my part.
captura
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Didn't Samsung develop the original BSI sensor?
Abu Mahendra
Veteran Member
I've spent about $7,000 worth of L glass for my 6D.
I'm hoping it's fully articulating and the description was lost in translation. Canon offers that screen on many inexpensive APS-C cameras so I think it is.
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rrccad
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the pics already show a fully articulating lcd.
captura
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We don't know for sure that is a 6D2 sensor. I see that the new Fuji ST-30 will also have a 26 mp sensor. Maybe they are the same, and new?
captura
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Of course. Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking of.
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