Bradley79664
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Adobe just announced Adobe Photoshop CS (Creative Suite?) which has some nice upgrades and also has the Camera Raw Plugin fully integrated... and it works for the 10D 
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Photoshop CS Released
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Adobe just announced Adobe Photoshop CS (Creative Suite?) which has
some nice upgrades and also has the Camera Raw Plugin fully
integrated... and it works for the 10D
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Shutternutz
Forum Enthusiast
IMO I don't think the price is too bad. Considering the other applications you get.
Adobe Creative Suite Standard edition combines:
Adobe Photoshop CS
Adobe Illustrator CS
Adobe InDesign CS
Adobe Creative Suite Standard edition combines:
Adobe Photoshop CS
Adobe Illustrator CS
Adobe InDesign CS
Thomas Canty
Member
On their web site, it says:
US$649.00 Full
US$169.00 Upgrade
US$649.00 Full
US$169.00 Upgrade
marianco
Senior Member
Adobe just announced Adobe Photoshop CS (Creative Suite?) which has
some nice upgrades and also has the Camera Raw Plugin fully
integrated... and it works for the 10D
best,
b.
carnagex2000
Leading Member
Quote from johnj:
I've been using it, and it's worth it. Support Adobe CS (PS8). (ACR 2.0x12 is what all 300D and 10D user have been looking for) The shadow/highlight feature is nice too (as shown in the review from dpreview) also the addition of a full size filter preview is great, along with the new additons of filters in image/adjust (such as sepia, B+W filters like red blue, etc.) There are so many new features, worth the upgrade.
Im sold. worth the upgrade price.
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I've been using it, and it's worth it. Support Adobe CS (PS8). (ACR 2.0x12 is what all 300D and 10D user have been looking for) The shadow/highlight feature is nice too (as shown in the review from dpreview) also the addition of a full size filter preview is great, along with the new additons of filters in image/adjust (such as sepia, B+W filters like red blue, etc.) There are so many new features, worth the upgrade.
Im sold. worth the upgrade price.
--Adobe just announced Adobe Photoshop CS (Creative Suite?) which has
some nice upgrades and also has the Camera Raw Plugin fully
integrated... and it works for the 10D
best,
b.
Some people say I have multiple personalities, but WE don't belive
them!
Layers in 16-bit mode, fully integrated Camera RAW with more control, real-time histogram... ....sounds veeery interesting to me. Sounds like a lot of "PS action programmers" and suppliers of clumsy standalone applications (NeatImage) will be put out of business. The "Match color" command will be a real time saver for me. Wonder what goodies were added in the printing department...
Thomas Canty
Member
That's for the premium suite, which includes:
Adobe Photoshop® CS
Adobe Illustrator® CS
Adobe InDesign® CS
Adobe GoLive® CS
Adobe Acrobat® 6.0 Professional
Version Cue™
Adobe Photoshop® CS
Adobe Illustrator® CS
Adobe InDesign® CS
Adobe GoLive® CS
Adobe Acrobat® 6.0 Professional
Version Cue™
unbound
Leading Member
I have seen it & briefly played with it. RAW screen is better, with some nifty new features. 16 bit adjustment layers (actually 12 bit for most of us because that's what the camera gives us) are now available and were sorely needed. A few new filters and thingies.
Very few third party vendors will suffer due to this upgrade. Breezebrowser is still a vastly better image management tool, Qimage is the choice for output, Neatimage with it's pattern learning noise reduction is still king of the hill, and sharpening in PS8 is still as basic as always.
Is it worth the $160 for the upgrade? Yes if you work in RAW and 16 bit, and you actually use adjustment layers. Otherwise just maybe. If you work in Jpeg (8 bit), there is very little new functionality added that you can't already do with actions. And some things, like Breezebrowser and Qimage, are still better than PS8 in what they do.
Very few third party vendors will suffer due to this upgrade. Breezebrowser is still a vastly better image management tool, Qimage is the choice for output, Neatimage with it's pattern learning noise reduction is still king of the hill, and sharpening in PS8 is still as basic as always.
Is it worth the $160 for the upgrade? Yes if you work in RAW and 16 bit, and you actually use adjustment layers. Otherwise just maybe. If you work in Jpeg (8 bit), there is very little new functionality added that you can't already do with actions. And some things, like Breezebrowser and Qimage, are still better than PS8 in what they do.
The clue of 16-bit working space even when working with 12-bit input images is higher precision when doing image manipulations - any manipulations.
I don't think so, but let's see.
I beg to differ.
Never found a convincing reason to use that software.
I have a different opinion here. On the other hand, I'm not the one killing off image details in luminance channels at all, even when shooting at ISO 3200.
Let's see what the algorithms of the RAW conversion engine are capable of doing. I have the "old" version of Adobe Camera RAW, and there, the interpolaton used was much better than PS's native bicubic and things like stepwise interpolation or spline interpolation in Panorama Tools.
Further, the tools are basic, but it depends on what you are doing with them. I never saw compelling examples or reasons to do anything else than USM. But if I do USM, then I do it "customized" to each picture. You can use "more sophisticated" algorithms, or then use the "simpler" algorithms and use them in a more sophistcated way. That's my experience, at least.
That's a rather quaick conclusion. To me, the new version looks interesting. I'm looking forward to see the new features in action.
unbound
Leading Member
Next time you have to organize and sort 1000+ images, enjoy using PS8 and it's clunky file browser! It does the job, but for casual use. It's a matter of the right tool for the job.
Next time you have to send 400 files to a printer, at a specific size and resolution, with a custom profile, you will thank the gods for a product like Qimage. PS doesn't even come close for output functionality.
Have you even used Neatimage? The noise tuning parameters are so verasatile! Of course, you can just trust the image to a general purpose algorithm with virtually no user adjustment choices.
Oh come on! Visit ' Luminous-Landscape.com ' and see what real sharpening tools are capable of. The concensus by people that are regarded as experts is that sharpening is best left alone at the Raw conversion level, since it is basically unsharp-masking, and it carries through all further steps. That's one reason why sharpening has been moved off the main page in the PS8 Raw converter.
Having used the product, and sat through a briefing, I think that it is a worthy upgrade, but nothing like the 6 -> 7 upgrade. IMHO, Adobe would have actually named this PS 7.5 had it not been for the new 'CS' moniker for their whole product line. Other products that Adobe makes actually changed a whole lot, and deserve a whole level upgrade... PS just came along for "CS" the ride.
My holy trinity:
Image management: Breezebrowser
Image editing: PS 7 - soon to be PS-CS due to 16 bit adjustment layers only.
Output management: Qimage (the poor man's RIP).
I haven't seen the new one, but the old one in PS7 is little more than a protype, you're right. But if it is about organizing and sorting, I think there are more adequate toole (like tTumbsplus, for example)
I'm no into "bulk" processing. PS is my digital darkroom. The bulk processing I do is preparing images and thumbnails for web display. That can be done very easy with actions.
Yes, and don't like it. A slow and messy piece of non-PS compatible software. I get the results I want much faster and much more conveniently in PS.
Yes, I know. I only used sharpening algorithms as an example to make a point, if you read my previous post again. But it actually depends on how many steps you can do in the RAW converter itself at the same time. If it's a lot and good stuff, then why not also sharpening?
I see. Did you test the this new "Match Color" command?
Loius4:
Can you tell me if you use the Capture 1 program at all? I've seen alot of posts in here recommending it, but from the demo I so far don't like it much.
I've been using ZoomBrowser to display thumbnails, and the Raw plugin in Photoshop for when I actually do-something.
Can you tell me if you use the Capture 1 program at all? I've seen alot of posts in here recommending it, but from the demo I so far don't like it much.
I've been using ZoomBrowser to display thumbnails, and the Raw plugin in Photoshop for when I actually do-something.
hyslopc
Senior Member
I would highly recommend you check out the latest version of NeatImage. It's integrated into PS as a filter now, and gives results better than anything else I've ever used.
I agree that ThumbsPlus is very effective for organizing images.
I agree that ThumbsPlus is very effective for organizing images.
hyslopc
Senior Member
You're kidding, right?
What about C1? It's too early to say, but if anyone's going to be hurting, it'll be them. The new ACR really is a huge step up from the old one, especially the CA and vignetting adjustments. It'll be interesting to read some comparisons between ACR2 and C1. That said, I don't think Adobe's aim is (or should be) to put third-party products out of business.
I still can't understand why there are any limitations to working in 16-bit whatsoever: it should have full feature parity with 8-bit color. The new histogram palette is also long-overdue, as are customizable keyboard shortcuts. I am counting the days until it arrives.
Paul85278
Well-known member
http://www.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catPhotoshop
Shows an upgrade for Windows, but not for the Mac.
I'll give customer service a call when they open in an hour.
Paul
Shows an upgrade for Windows, but not for the Mac.
I'll give customer service a call when they open in an hour.
Paul
Does this suggest that perhaps Canon is NOT about to release a new digital, be it 3D or updated 1D? Since 300D and 10D are both included in the ACR, one would wonder if Adobe has made provisions to include a new Canon release if it is imminent. Or will any new Canon release be ignored as was the 10D for these past months?
Bev
Bev
Adobe just announced Adobe Photoshop CS (Creative Suite?) which has
some nice upgrades and also has the Camera Raw Plugin fully
integrated... and it works for the 10D
best,
b.
I don't use it.
I've also "tested" the demo and I have to say I don't like the user interface at all. Further, "quality" isn't that much different from using Adobe Camera RAW (or Canon's converter) either.
Same here. Besides the Canon software, I'm also using the (horrible) PS browser to display the thumbnails. I like Adobe Camera RAW a lot, and I can't wait to work with the proper profiles for the 10D in the new version (compared to the "hacked" D60 profile now).
Photoshop is my "digital darkroom" and I prefer to do as much as possible in PS. In my opinion, buying, learning and maintaining dozens of stand-alone helper applications besides PS is a pain in the neck. But that's just me - there are many roads to happiness, I'm well aware of that.
Would I be better off (Until Photoshop upgrade), extracting the Tiff with Canons software (quality wise)?
Filters I don't mind, but extra-programs just seem to make life hard
I really don't like ZoomBrowser, it seems to leave a copy of itself (about 7meg) in memory everytime I close it.
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