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I made a thread not long ago about considering the move from A7RIII to GFX, and sadly renting the later wasn’t an option for me in my area.

Well guess what, a friend introduced me to a fuji rep who happens to let photographers try the GFX for a week and got mine soon after to play around with the 23 and 250 (the lens I had the most interest in, for landscapes)

Initially, I wanted to make some direct comparison vs the sony, so the next day I went on a all day ride with both systems and heres my results: I actually never cared to grab the sony and instead enjoyed my time with the fuji.

Really, really love the ergonomics, that big fat grip, the tilting evf, the aspect ratio, the huge, all metal lens. And boy, that optical performance (already read Jim’s blog)

So yeah, 2 days later I was already back at the store to buy their last 50S and 2 same lens, except they were not in stock, so the fuji rep told me to keep the ones he lent me until my order is received.

I officially got them today, along with the tilt adapter and, bought the 120 macro that was on the shelf, a vertical grip and ordered the 45 and 110 lens. Hell yeah.

And the upcoming GFX100? Yup, I’m in.

also, rumor is the 100´s eshutter will have a 1/60 scan time, how usable would this be under artificial lights?

I currently do weddings with a pair of A9 because silent shooting owns, and id be crazy enough to do so with 2 GFX instead, people loves big cameras, in their head: bigger = more professional.
 
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PNad said:
I made a thread not long ago about considering the move from A7RIII to GFX, and sadly renting the later wasn’t an option for me in my area.

Well guess what, a friend introduced me to a fuji rep who happens to let photographers try the GFX for a week and got mine soon after to play around with the 23 and 250 (the lens I had the most interest in, for landscapes)

Initially, I wanted to make some direct comparison vs the sony, so the next day I went on a all day ride with both systems and heres my results: I actually never cared to grab the sony and instead enjoyed my time with the fuji.

Really, really love the ergonomics, that big fat grip, the tilting evf, the aspect ratio, the huge, all metal lens. And boy, that optical performance (already read Jim’s blog)

So yeah, 2 days later I was already back at the store to buy their last 50S and 2 same lens, except they were not in stock, so the fuji rep told me to keep the ones he lent me until my order is received.

I officially got them today, along with the tilt adapter and, bought the 120 macro that was on the shelf, a vertical grip and ordered the 45 and 110 lens. Hell yeah.

And the upcoming GFX100? Yup, I’m in.

also, rumor is the 100´s eshutter will have a 1/60 scan time, how usable would this be under artificial lights?
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Under incandescents, no problems.

Under photographic LEDs, no probelm.

Under CFLs, probably OK if the shutter speed isn't too high.

Under normal house lighting LEDs, should be OK with most at n/(2*mains frequency), with n = 1,2,4, or grater.

Under some theater lighting, trouble. But some of that lighting is even trouble for mechanical shutters.

For comparison, your a9 scans at 1/160 second.
PNad said:
I currently do weddings with a pair of A9 because silent shooting owns, and id be crazy enough to do so with 2 GFX instead, people loves big cameras, in their head: bigger = more professional.
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Welcome to the MF world!
 
JimKasson said:
PNad said:
I made a thread not long ago about considering the move from A7RIII to GFX, and sadly renting the later wasn’t an option for me in my area.

Well guess what, a friend introduced me to a fuji rep who happens to let photographers try the GFX for a week and got mine soon after to play around with the 23 and 250 (the lens I had the most interest in, for landscapes)

Initially, I wanted to make some direct comparison vs the sony, so the next day I went on a all day ride with both systems and heres my results: I actually never cared to grab the sony and instead enjoyed my time with the fuji.

Really, really love the ergonomics, that big fat grip, the tilting evf, the aspect ratio, the huge, all metal lens. And boy, that optical performance (already read Jim’s blog)

So yeah, 2 days later I was already back at the store to buy their last 50S and 2 same lens, except they were not in stock, so the fuji rep told me to keep the ones he lent me until my order is received.

I officially got them today, along with the tilt adapter and, bought the 120 macro that was on the shelf, a vertical grip and ordered the 45 and 110 lens. Hell yeah.

And the upcoming GFX100? Yup, I’m in.

also, rumor is the 100´s eshutter will have a 1/60 scan time, how usable would this be under artificial lights?
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Under incandescents, no problems.

Under photographic LEDs, no probelm.

Under CFLs, probably OK if the shutter speed isn't too high.

Under normal house lighting LEDs, should be OK with most at n/(2*mains frequency), with n = 1,2,4, or grater.

Under some theater lighting, trouble. But some of that lighting is even trouble for mechanical shutters.

For comparison, your a9 scans at 1/160 second.
JimKasson said:
I currently do weddings with a pair of A9 because silent shooting owns, and id be crazy enough to do so with 2 GFX instead, people loves big cameras, in their head: bigger = more professional.
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Welcome to the MF world!
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PNad said:
I currently do weddings with a pair of A9 because silent shooting owns, and id be crazy enough to do so with 2 GFX instead, people loves big cameras, in their head: bigger = more professional.
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Yes, and at the high end (which is film, of course), don't even bother to show up if you only have one Contax 645 with an 80mm Zeiss Planar f/2 lens. Big, noisy cameras. But that's what you need for cred to get the big bucks.

Of course a Phase One 50 MP or 80MP back for the Contax wouldn't hurt, either.

I think the GFX is a better system. But that's just me.

Rich
 
Congratulations. The A9, 50S, and hopefully soon the 100S seem a winning combination. So as Jim has determined, the sensor readout times are ¼ s for the 50S and 1/160 s for the A9.

IIRC the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II has a sensor readout time of 1/60 s, not quite fast enough to avoid rolling electronic shutter artifacts when shooting Hummingbirds in Flight (HIFs).

Having 1/60 s for the 100S would be really nice and sufficient for most purposes I would like the 100S for. The mechanical shutter of the 100S should do for HIFs, provided the Fujinon GFX lenses and the 100S can achieve focusing fast enough.

K-H.
 
Congrats on your new system. Once you've tried MF and worked with the files...there is no turning back.
 
The Davinator said:
Congrats on your new system. Once you've tried MF and worked with the files...there is no turning back.
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I dont think the files are that much different than my sony. The lenses are sharper, sure, but the real reason I switched is because as someone who sell prints as big as 40x60, the bigger sensor does benefits me a bit.

Also, I went on 2 assignments with the GFX and twice the clients were impressed by the camera, this is when I decided to use it for everything instead of just landscapes. (Beside weddings and sports, obviously) leaving a good impression on people is just as important as delivering the goods.
 
PNad said:
The Davinator said:
Congrats on your new system. Once you've tried MF and worked with the files...there is no turning back.
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I dont think the files are that much different than my sony. The lenses are sharper, sure, but the real reason I switched is because as someone who sell prints as big as 40x60, the bigger sensor does benefits me a bit.

Also, I went on 2 assignments with the GFX and twice the clients were impressed by the camera, this is when I decided to use it for everything instead of just landscapes. (Beside weddings and sports, obviously) leaving a good impression on people is just as important as delivering the goods.
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Obviously better enough that you bought the Fuji
 
PNad said:
I dont think the files are that much different than my sony.
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How so? Actually, I warn you against answering this. :)
PNad said:
The lenses are sharper, sure, but the real reason I switched is because as someone who sell prints as big as 40x60, the bigger sensor does benefits me a bit.
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Admittedly, I am someone who does not print to paper so it is not obvious to me how a larger sensor alone helps with bigger prints although you may be referring to the GFX 100s you intend to buy.
 
PNad said:
I made a thread not long ago about considering the move from A7RIII to GFX, and sadly renting the later wasn’t an option for me in my area.

Well guess what, a friend introduced me to a fuji rep who happens to let photographers try the GFX for a week and got mine soon after to play around with the 23 and 250 (the lens I had the most interest in, for landscapes)

Initially, I wanted to make some direct comparison vs the sony, so the next day I went on a all day ride with both systems and heres my results: I actually never cared to grab the sony and instead enjoyed my time with the fuji.

Really, really love the ergonomics, that big fat grip, the tilting evf, the aspect ratio, the huge, all metal lens. And boy, that optical performance (already read Jim’s blog)

So yeah, 2 days later I was already back at the store to buy their last 50S and 2 same lens, except they were not in stock, so the fuji rep told me to keep the ones he lent me until my order is received.

I officially got them today, along with the tilt adapter and, bought the 120 macro that was on the shelf, a vertical grip and ordered the 45 and 110 lens. Hell yeah.

And the upcoming GFX100? Yup, I’m in.

also, rumor is the 100´s eshutter will have a 1/60 scan time, how usable would this be under artificial lights?

I currently do weddings with a pair of A9 because silent shooting owns, and id be crazy enough to do so with 2 GFX instead, people loves big cameras, in their head: bigger = more professional.
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Welcome to the.....club? :-P

While Jim's blog is inscrutable to me most of the time, it does appeal and is obviously helpful to a lot of folks probably to a majority of folks. Just be cognizant of the wide diversity of viewpoints in this forum, arriving from different realities, a lot of whom came to the same conclusion as you and some who are still struggling with the decision.

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I recently did the same but I'm not an earning pro. I just shoot because I love to shoot. I spend lots (lots and lots) of money on photography. Never made any money on my life-long habit.

I am amazed by your story of the Fuji rep. I know Fuji better than most guys. Why? Because I buy all of their gear and the name "Fuji" sounds good to me. And I like their reps.

For that rep to do that he knows your work and you. He knows you are good and that Fuji had a chance at a Sony guy. They probably didn't want you to tell that part of the story about letting you use that gear like that.

I would be very curious as you start shooting this MF rig about what you think about the resolution and any possible "Medium Format Look" that you discern as compared to your Sony high-res FF. I don't care about actual comparison testing and pixel counting so much, although you will get plenty of that here and that is cool. I want to know if you see something with your professional photographer's eye. You see any special characteristics that you could describe? A special kind of untestable 3D pop or separation, kind of like the Leica guys see in their micro-contrast claims?

I am amazed that you switched from the big Sony high MP nimble, frisky and fast focusing rigs (with IBIS) to this. I am very happy that you did because it makes me feel better about the ten grand I just spent early this month and the many thousands more I am no doubt going to spend when I buy all of the GFX lenses, which, if I like MF (and I think I will) I will no doubt do.

I am also jealous of your big grip. I don't like the small non-grip on my 50r. And I want IBIS so bad that I dream about it at night.

So you like walking around your weddings with those big guns? Other wedding photographers will shrink back in shame, envy or maybe even fear. The Grooms will be intimidated and look at you with a suspicious eye. The Brides will adore you and maybe even feel a way too-early lust for someone Other. The Bride's Dads will continue to hate you, as not one in history has understood the need to spend the 7 grand.

Humping this gear will remind you of the days when you lugged around those huge DSLRs before you switched to Sony (no doubt). I want to see you with two of them on a holster. Let me know if you ever shoot in San Antonio. I will crash it and watch you.


Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas

Greg Johnson’s albums | Flickr

www.flickr.com www.flickr.com
 
Rick Knepper said:
PNad said:
I dont think the files are that much different than my sony.
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How so? Actually, I warn you against answering this. :)
Rick Knepper said:
The lenses are sharper, sure, but the real reason I switched is because as someone who sell prints as big as 40x60, the bigger sensor does benefits me a bit.
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Admittedly, I am someone who does not print to paper so it is not obvious to me how a larger sensor alone helps with bigger prints although you may be referring to the GFX 100s you intend to buy.
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I have determined that the GFX 50S does indeed make a meaningful improvement over the a7RIII for prints of 30 inches high, even with the same lenses. It's only slightly because of more pixels. The other two reasons are smaller fill factor and the fact that a given resolution in cy/mm from the lens is greater in cy/ph on the sensor.

When you add in the G lenses, it's a pretty, ahem, sizeable delta. However, it only helps some kinds of images.

Jim
 
PNad said:
PNad wrote:.

...also, rumor is the 100´s eshutter will have a 1/60 scan time...
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Not at full res:



From the IMX461 flyer
From the IMX461 flyer

Jim

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JimKasson said:
JimKasson said:
PNad wrote:.

...also, rumor is the 100´s eshutter will have a 1/60 scan time...
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Not at full res:

From the IMX461 flyer
From the IMX461 flyer

Jim
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Hi Jim,

But note that is 12 bit readout. As far as I recall, it is rated 6 FPS at 14 bits.

So, I have my doubts on 1/60 s scan time for ES.

Best regards

Erik

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JimKasson said:
Rick Knepper said:
PNad said:
I dont think the files are that much different than my sony.
Click to expand...
How so? Actually, I warn you against answering this. :)
JimKasson said:
The lenses are sharper, sure, but the real reason I switched is because as someone who sell prints as big as 40x60, the bigger sensor does benefits me a bit.
Click to expand...
Admittedly, I am someone who does not print to paper so it is not obvious to me how a larger sensor alone helps with bigger prints although you may be referring to the GFX 100s you intend to buy.
Click to expand...
I have determined that the GFX 50S does indeed make a meaningful improvement over the a7RIII for prints of 30 inches high, even with the same lenses. It's only slightly because of more pixels. The other two reasons are smaller fill factor and the fact that a given resolution in cy/mm from the lens is greater in cy/ph on the sensor.

When you add in the G lenses, it's a pretty, ahem, sizeable delta. However, it only helps some kinds of images.

Jim
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Now that's what I'm talking about! The delta.... There has to be a delta..... I don't understand the cy/mm or the cy/ph, but that post sounds good to me!

I take it that is not something I will see on my nifty 4K monitor? And only in some kind of images.... I need to figure out which ones those are.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas

Greg Johnson’s albums | Flickr

www.flickr.com www.flickr.com
 
Erik Kaffehr said:
JimKasson said:
Erik Kaffehr said:
PNad wrote:.

...also, rumor is the 100´s eshutter will have a 1/60 scan time...
Click to expand...
Not at full res:

From the IMX461 flyer
From the IMX461 flyer

Jim
Click to expand...
Hi Jim,

But note that is 12 bit readout. As far as I recall, it is rated 6 FPS at 14 bits.

So, I have my doubts on 1/60 s scan time for ES.

Best regards

Erik
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I have more than doubts. To do 1/60 at full res would require a mode that is far faster than what the chip can so at 12 bit precision.

Jim

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Posted as a regular forum member.

the last word the last word - Photography meets digital computer technology. Photography wins -- most of the time.

Photography meets digital computer technology. Photography wins -- most of the time.
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