Fuji, when can we expect a fast 2.8-4 zoom in the 200-400 space?

Jerry-astro said:

Advent1sam said:

Jon Schick said:

There's already the 50-140 which provides for those wanting a fast 70-210 equivalent, then the 100-400 for longer lengths.

I think the biggest hole in the telezoom lineup is a mid price 70-300 of equivalent quality to the 55-200. I suggest it can would sell in bucket loads and be much more relevant for most of us.

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Maybe Fuji just isn't aspirational enough then if your a typical user because that sounds positively mainstream, the 210 is too short, the 100-400 is too slow and the 200f2 is a crazy size, money for a fixed short 300mm range lens unless your are a paid for pro and don't care! Right now Fuji look lost is this important wildlife space.

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Oh, please. 90% of what I shoot is wildlife, including BIF and subjects in extremely low light. I certainly can see a benefit of having a faster lens which would do a better job with freezing movement in low light. However, for much of wildlife photography, you're dealing with static subject matter (birds, insects, you name it). For moving subjects like BIF, unless you're shooting in very low light, the 100-400 does a great job and there's no real need for wider aperture in most cases.

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This becomes even more true when you consider the low-light focusing capability of the X-T3 (and presumably the X-H2). Which is to say, great high-ISO IQ coupled with great low-light focusing reduces the need for fast glass. Of course some will still want it, but it becomes less of a technical need.

Jerry-astro said:

The fact is that the 100-400 is just the lens that the majority of wildlife photographers need and will use, and Fuji's decision to start there was spot on.

For wildlife professionals, there's certainly room for the sort of lens you're looking for. However, the question really is whether this should be a priority for Fuji's lens development efforts over the many other more mainstream requirements that still need attention. Your opinion on this obviously differs from where Fuji is headed. How much of an issue this is remains a debatable question, and that's where we probably disagree.

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Advent1sam said:

Andreasfe said:

Tried m43 (GX9).

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Well, g9/gh5 will give a bit more and the em1 ii in terms of af/performance.

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The GX9s AF was more than good enough for my use.

Advent1sam said:

Advent1sam said:

Good camera and system, but wasn't happy with the IQ at ISO 3200 and 6400. So a switch from fujifilm to m43 will not happen.

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Can understand that but the ibis and faster lenses should reduce the need to go past iso3200!

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I often want to freeze some kind of movement (people walking etc.), so IBIS will not help. At least if the telelens has OIS, so I can shoot long focal lengths at 1/125s - 1/200s with confidence.

The bigger aperture can help, but will most likely be counterweighted by better ISO on the bigger sensor. And, I rather have f/5.6 on an APS-C system that I already have, than f/4 on m43.

Advent1sam said:

Advent1sam said:

The 50-200 2.8-4 costs $1600 (!), and is kinda big for what it is.

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LOL, 655g for 100-400 2.8-4, seriously!

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It's not. It's a 50-200mm that can only cover a m43 crop sensor, which result in an image with a field of view equivalent to 100-400mm on full frame. At the same time the light gathering capabilities is worse.

So, at the end of the day you typically end up with similar results as a same generation full frame camera with a theoretical good quality 100-400mm f/5.6-f/8 lens... Or a APS-C camera with a theoretical good quality 75-300mm f/4-5.6 lens. Such lenses could easily be as small, or smaller than the m43 Panasonic 50-200mm f/2.8-4. No problem.

Btw. I don't care so much about the weight. The size is more important.

Advent1sam said:

Advent1sam said:

Would rather have an inexpensive XF 80-300mm f/5.6, which I think can be made even smaller, still with good quality.

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It will be more than 650g imo, certainly not less!

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There are good full frame lenses in the 70-300mm range with f/4-5.6 and similar weight and size as the Panasonic 50-200mm. A good 80-300mm f/5.6 that only covers APS-C can of course be smaller than that.

Theese are all my wishes for the Fuji system... If someone has other, bigger, lenses on their wishlists, that's fine for me.

I'll finish my post with some wisdom someone laid out here earlier:

"Well, there is room for different users"

from Olympus

Wow, that's a massive birding lens

If only Olympus bodies have better AF-C

Advent1sam said:

Seems really neglected Fuji

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Advent1sam said:

... a 200-400 2.8-4 with built-in 1.2x tc like Olympus new offering would fly!

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I am not sure how far it would fly at 3.5Kg and USD12k +++ a pop.

Of course we all have our different needs and desires, but in my view, this lens is way down on Fuji's list of priorities. I would not hold my breath waiting for Fuji to release one.

If this is a lens you need, then better choose a brand which has one on offer now.

Buying a new camera will be a minor item on the list of costs.

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Peter Jonas

Nice to dream, but as others have said, likely to be so expensive as to be commercially unviable. Furthermore, the Olympus is designed for the smaller m43 sensor, but to design such a fast telephoto for APS-C would likely mean a far larger and heavier lens.

At f5.6 the 100-400 weighs 1375g; a f4 version for APS-C, I assume, would be much heavier.

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Seems really neglected Fuji

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Peter Jonas said:

... a 200-400 2.8-4 with built-in 1.2x tc like Olympus new offering would fly!

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I am not sure how far it would fly at 3.5Kg and USD12k +++ a pop.

Of course we all have our different needs and desires, but in my view, this lens is way down on Fuji's list of priorities. I would not hold my breath waiting for Fuji to release one.

If this is a lens you need, then better choose a brand which has one on offer now.

Buying a new camera will be a minor item on the list of costs.

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Olympus just released there's, Canon and Nikon already have there's, Sony coming soon but already have a 400 2.8! Seems like you are slightly disconnected!

jhorse said:

Nice to dream, but as others have said, likely to be so expensive as to be commercially unviable. Furthermore, the Olympus is designed for the smaller m43 sensor, but to design such a fast telephoto for APS-C would likely mean a far larger and heavier lens.

At f5.6 the 100-400 weighs 1375g; a f4 version for APS-C, I assume, would be much heavier.

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It might be more practical as I eluded to be more like 100-300 2.8-4 or f4c, then to add a 500 5.6 prime. Many here would prefer a 300 f4 prime and a 500 5.6, maybe a 200-500 4-5.6 might also satisfy a lot more users. Better to shoot for the stars and end up with something more practical than start practical and end up with something positively mainstream, like the 100-400 (which I have and like btw)!

Regarding the "smaller" m43 sensor, it really isn't that much smaller than aps-c, don't know where people are getting that idea from, in the vertical plane it is 13mm high compared with 14.8 (Canon) and 15.6(Sony), therefore the image circle is not that much difference, certainly aps-c and m43 are much closer than aps-c and FF, 15.6 and 24!

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Seems really neglected Fuji

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Advent1sam said:

... a 200-400 2.8-4 with built-in 1.2x tc like Olympus new offering would fly!

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I am not sure how far it would fly at 3.5Kg and USD12k +++ a pop.

Of course we all have our different needs and desires, but in my view, this lens is way down on Fuji's list of priorities. I would not hold my breath waiting for Fuji to release one.

If this is a lens you need, then better choose a brand which has one on offer now.

Buying a new camera will be a minor item on the list of costs.

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Olympus just released there's, Canon and Nikon already have there's, Sony coming soon but already have a 400 2.8! Seems like you are slightly disconnected!

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Can you just explain what you think in my previous post makes me "sightly disconnected"?

You feel being neglected by Fuji for not offering a 200-400mm f/4 lens.

I think one of us is more disconnected than the other ...

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Peter Jonas

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Seems really neglected Fuji

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Peter Jonas said:

... a 200-400 2.8-4 with built-in 1.2x tc like Olympus new offering would fly!

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I am not sure how far it would fly at 3.5Kg and USD12k +++ a pop.

Of course we all have our different needs and desires, but in my view, this lens is way down on Fuji's list of priorities. I would not hold my breath waiting for Fuji to release one.

If this is a lens you need, then better choose a brand which has one on offer now.

Buying a new camera will be a minor item on the list of costs.

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Olympus just released there's, Canon and Nikon already have there's, Sony coming soon but already have a 400 2.8! Seems like you are slightly disconnected!

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Can you just explain what you think in my previous post makes me "sightly disconnected"?

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This lens makes a lot of sense for Fuji aps-c, if they reduce the focal range to 200-400 as proposed, 300-600 @4.5 and possibly you just bundle the new 1.4x tc then you have very, very, nice sport/ wildlife tele. Olympus made a very good choice with the specs, but as it’s m43 it’s about a stop slow in dof which where Fuji would really triumph.

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Seems really neglected Fuji

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Advent1sam said:

... a 200-400 2.8-4 with built-in 1.2x tc like Olympus new offering would fly!

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I am not sure how far it would fly at 3.5Kg and USD12k +++ a pop.

Of course we all have our different needs and desires, but in my view, this lens is way down on Fuji's list of priorities. I would not hold my breath waiting for Fuji to release one.

If this is a lens you need, then better choose a brand which has one on offer now.

Buying a new camera will be a minor item on the list of costs.

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Olympus just released there's, Canon and Nikon already have there's, Sony coming soon but already have a 400 2.8! Seems like you are slightly disconnected!

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Can you just explain what you think in my previous post makes me "sightly disconnected"?

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https://www.dpreview.com/news/61923...-5-pro-lens-with-built-in-1-25x-teleconverter

This lens makes a lot of sense for Fuji aps-c, if they reduce the focal range to 200-400 as proposed, 300-600 @4.5 and possibly you just bundle the new 1.4x tc then you have very, very, nice sport/ wildlife tele. Olympus made a very good choice with the specs, but as it’s m43 it’s about a stop slow in dof which where Fuji would really triumph.

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Yes, the Olympus lens is a nice one. And I am sure Fuji will consider making a similar one when they have as many lenses in their line up as Olympus has now.

There are many different lens specs that Fuji do not currently have which would make a lot of sense.

In my view, giving a 200-400mm f4 type of lens a high priority amongst all those is slightly disconnected.

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Seems really neglected Fuji

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Peter Jonas said:

... a 200-400 2.8-4 with built-in 1.2x tc like Olympus new offering would fly!

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I am not sure how far it would fly at 3.5Kg and USD12k +++ a pop.

Of course we all have our different needs and desires, but in my view, this lens is way down on Fuji's list of priorities. I would not hold my breath waiting for Fuji to release one.

If this is a lens you need, then better choose a brand which has one on offer now.

Buying a new camera will be a minor item on the list of costs.

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Olympus just released there's, Canon and Nikon already have there's, Sony coming soon but already have a 400 2.8! Seems like you are slightly disconnected!

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Can you just explain what you think in my previous post makes me "sightly disconnected"?

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https://www.dpreview.com/news/61923...-5-pro-lens-with-built-in-1-25x-teleconverter

This lens makes a lot of sense for Fuji aps-c, if they reduce the focal range to 200-400 as proposed, 300-600 @4.5 and possibly you just bundle the new 1.4x tc then you have very, very, nice sport/ wildlife tele. Olympus made a very good choice with the specs, but as it’s m43 it’s about a stop slow in dof which where Fuji would really triumph.

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Yes, the Olympus lens is a nice one. And I am sure Fuji will consider making a similar one when they have as many lenses in their line up as Olympus has now.

There are many different lens specs that Fuji do not currently have which would make a lot of sense.

In my view, giving a 200-400mm f4 type of lens a high priority amongst all those is slightly disconnected.

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There aren’t many if any gaps in Fuji line-up now, once the 16 2.8/16-80 4are out, upto 200mm most things are covered very well, the only 2 lenses I can think of is this faster tele and or a fast prime tele at 400mm. What do you think they are lacking!

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Peter Jonas said:

Advent1sam said:

Seems really neglected Fuji

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Advent1sam said:

... a 200-400 2.8-4 with built-in 1.2x tc like Olympus new offering would fly!

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I am not sure how far it would fly at 3.5Kg and USD12k +++ a pop.

Of course we all have our different needs and desires, but in my view, this lens is way down on Fuji's list of priorities. I would not hold my breath waiting for Fuji to release one.

If this is a lens you need, then better choose a brand which has one on offer now.

Buying a new camera will be a minor item on the list of costs.

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Olympus just released there's, Canon and Nikon already have there's, Sony coming soon but already have a 400 2.8! Seems like you are slightly disconnected!

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Can you just explain what you think in my previous post makes me "sightly disconnected"?

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https://www.dpreview.com/news/61923...-5-pro-lens-with-built-in-1-25x-teleconverter

This lens makes a lot of sense for Fuji aps-c, if they reduce the focal range to 200-400 as proposed, 300-600 @4.5 and possibly you just bundle the new 1.4x tc then you have very, very, nice sport/ wildlife tele. Olympus made a very good choice with the specs, but as it’s m43 it’s about a stop slow in dof which where Fuji would really triumph.

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Yes, the Olympus lens is a nice one. And I am sure Fuji will consider making a similar one when they have as many lenses in their line up as Olympus has now.

There are many different lens specs that Fuji do not currently have which would make a lot of sense.

In my view, giving a 200-400mm f4 type of lens a high priority amongst all those is slightly disconnected.

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There aren’t many if any gaps in Fuji line-up now, once the 16 2.8/16-80 4are out, upto 200mm most things are covered very well, the only 2 lenses I can think of is this faster tele and or a fast prime tele at 400mm. What do you think they are lacking!

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With the exception of the 200mm/f2 they do not have a prime lens above 90mm.

Could start with a 75/1.8, then 120 or 135/2.8, 180 or 200/2.8 and/or 4, 300/4 or 4.5 would be high on my priority list together with a 70-300/4.5 or 5.6. Then yes, 300/2.8 and 400/2.8 could follow, then perhaps along high performance zoom such as what you are suggesting.

In my view, while developing such high performance professional lenses they will also have to raise the performance/handling/features level of their cameras to professional level. And I would make that very high priority.

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Advent1sam said:

Regarding the "smaller" m43 sensor, it really isn't that much smaller than aps-c, don't know where people are getting that idea from, in the vertical plane it is 13mm high compared with 14.8 (Canon) and 15.6(Sony), therefore the image circle is not that much difference, certainly aps-c and m43 are much closer than aps-c and FF, 15.6 and 24!

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Probably, because they understand that the physics are more complex than the two dimensional measurements.

Fuji should be taking note notes of all the diffraction optic lenses coming out. Equivalents to Nikon's 300/4 and 500/5.6 PF lenses would be great place to start to expand their long lens lineup.