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Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
 
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liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.
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liork said:
Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
 
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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Definitely agree :(
 
Denjw said:
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
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I have many Olympus lenses, so its not easy to choose the next upgrade.
 
Denjw said:
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
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The Z6 also relies on 'manufacturers' for the sensor and EVF. Both from Sony Semiconductor Solutions, who make the sensor and EVF in the EMIX.
 
bobn2 said:
Denjw said:
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
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The Z6 also relies on 'manufacturers' for the sensor and EVF. Both from Sony Semiconductor Solutions, who make the sensor and EVF in the EMIX.
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Thanks for that info.

EVF part is then disappointing but is a new 4/3 sensor available?
 
bobn2 said:
Denjw said:
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
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The Z6 also relies on 'manufacturers' for the sensor and EVF. Both from Sony Semiconductor Solutions, who make the sensor and EVF in the EMIX.
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so why cant the z6 and 7 instant reveiw an image ?

Don
 
bobn2 said:
Denjw said:
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
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The Z6 also relies on 'manufacturers' for the sensor and EVF. Both from Sony Semiconductor Solutions, who make the sensor and EVF in the EMIX.
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Seiko Epson makes the ”Ultimicron” line-up of EVF panels, among them the 4.4 MP panel used by Leica, introduced in 2015, four years ago now.

The interest in VR and AR headsets has spurred the development of high resolution/high refresh rate displays from several manufacturers. Given the rate of adaption of the existing higher end panel offerings, I’m not holding my breath for their inclusion in cameras though.

I’d like to see this one in an EM-5iii ....

https://m.dpreview.com/news/6857011184/sony-reveals-faster-higher-res-oled-viewfinder-display

(Dagnabbit, the phone interface doesn’t allow link insertion.)
 
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It must be "My eyes are old and bent" as I'm quite OK with current 2.36 M viewfinder on M1.2, better magnification is plus for M1X. I'd rather see processing power devoted to image improvement (focus, metering, scene recognition) than pushing pixels I can't see to EVF.

Olympus does not produce sensors so it's up to manufacturers (Sony) to get better one. But current sensors are quite effective already and possible improvements (BSI) are incremental at best, so you need to squint at 100% magnification to see them.
 
Jonas Palm said:
bobn2 said:
Denjw said:
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
Click to expand...
The Z6 also relies on 'manufacturers' for the sensor and EVF. Both from Sony Semiconductor Solutions, who make the sensor and EVF in the EMIX.
Click to expand...
Seiko Epson makes the ”Ultimicron” line-up of EVF panels, among them the 4.4 MP panel used by Leica, introduced in 2015, four years ago now.

The interest in VR and AR headsets has spurred the development of high resolution/high refresh rate displays from several manufacturers. Given the rate of adaption of the existing higher end panel offerings, I’m not holding my breath for their inclusion in cameras though.

I’d like to see this one in an EM-5iii ....

https://m.dpreview.com/news/6857011184/sony-reveals-faster-higher-res-oled-viewfinder-display

(Dagnabbit, the phone interface doesn’t allow link insertion.)
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Thanks. I thought the EVF in the E-M1 was a Seiko Epson (when the dreaded sunburn issue effected mine).
 
Jonas Palm said:
bobn2 said:
Denjw said:
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
Click to expand...
The Z6 also relies on 'manufacturers' for the sensor and EVF. Both from Sony Semiconductor Solutions, who make the sensor and EVF in the EMIX.
Click to expand...
Seiko Epson makes the ”Ultimicron” line-up of EVF panels, among them the 4.4 MP panel used by Leica, introduced in 2015, four years ago now.

The interest in VR and AR headsets has spurred the development of high resolution/high refresh rate displays from several manufacturers. Given the rate of adaption of the existing higher end panel offerings, I’m not holding my breath for their inclusion in cameras though.

I’d like to see this one in an EM-5iii ....

https://m.dpreview.com/news/6857011184/sony-reveals-faster-higher-res-oled-viewfinder-display

(Dagnabbit, the phone interface doesn’t allow link insertion.)
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I shot a Leica SL with that panel on loan for a couple of weeks.

It remains the finest EVF I have used. Indeed, if it was not so expensive, I might be using the SL today. I still have a mind to get one used at some point as a body for my Leica M lenses.
 
Af has improved, CAF can now recognise and track a speeding locomotive...

Low light performance unchanged.

I just checked my shutter count it's 43434 (yes a palindrome) so I think I'll keep my E-M1.1 for another year but I will buy the MC-20 and pray for good light.

Disappointed Dicky.
 
DickyAus said:
Af has improved, CAF can now recognise and track a speeding locomotive...

Low light performance unchanged.

I just checked my shutter count it's 43434 (yes a palindrome) so I think I'll keep my E-M1.1 for another year but I will buy the MC-20 and pray for good light.

Disappointed Dicky.
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Go buy the em1mk2 for $1400 au its way ahead of the old em1mk1

Don
 
bobn2 said:
Denjw said:
liork said:
Generally, I am happy with my E M1 II. Its the most comfortable camera body I ever used, its fast and overall very enjoyable to use.

But, the heart is weak: the sensor. I don't shoot above ISO 3200 because the image is much too flat, actually, I prefer to shoot less than that. So, an E M1 II with a better sensor would be perfect.

Also, in video part, the camera could be a great video camera, but I see a noticeable quality difference between UHD and C4K files, as the C4K files are really better in pure image quality. There is a problem in the codec I believe. Also, 4K 60p is missing so no slow motion in 4K.

And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.

We are in year 2019, Full frame sensors have BSI, but not this small m43 sensor (which needs that much more!) on a flagship camera. Also the video codec and bit rate stayed the same, no 4K 60p and no 10 bit over HDMI. I can add to that the low resolution "2.36" EVF. I had the chance to use the Nikon Z6 and EVF was pure pleasure.

Olympus is failing on the basics. Sad.
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I believe they don't make sensors or EVFs and have to rely on manufacturers.

So did you buy the Z6?
Click to expand...
The Z6 also relies on 'manufacturers' for the sensor and EVF. Both from Sony Semiconductor Solutions, who make the sensor and EVF in the EMIX.
Click to expand...
 
Donald B said:
Model Mike said:
liork said:
And then the E M1X came out, and again everything around the sensor looks impressive, but the sensor itself.
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Over sized, over complicated, over priced.
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its no bigger than the gh5 or the g9 and cost $4500 au
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To be fair I think the price will crash very quickly.

The G9 is $1200 AUD (~$850 USD) just a month ago - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/426157

It seems Panasonic has given up on m43, clearing their stock and make way for their FF release.

Also when the Canon R and A7III can be easily bought at ~$2.4k AUD, A7RIII at $3k AUD (https://www.digidirect.com.au/camer...a_a7r_iii_mirrorless_digital_camera_body_only) and Sony A9 for $4k AUD the $4.5k pricetag is simply unsustainable imo in the current climate, at least here in Australia.
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the z cant even instant reveiw or even focus under f5.6 and cost 6 k ,so whats your point ?

Don

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for bodies up to about 1k EUR/USD.

The more pricey the body gets the more attractive Fuji APSc and FF become.

If size and weight are very, I mean VERY, important to you, you might even spend up to 2k for a M43 body, but more is ridiculous in my eyes.

Exception perhaps is the GH line with it's video capabilities. But I am not interested in that.

Peter
 
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