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D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time) was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr. to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone, no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac monitor
or

2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster, despite, the lower ghz.
 
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
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I answered this on your other post, as did a couple of others.

Here's your solution: Keep your PC, don't attend any more concerts hosted by Steve Wozniak, and quit bitching about stuff that happened twenty years ago.
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stephenacook
 
to get the perspective from someone facing a similar decision.
RichW said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Go for a new G5 they are as fast or faster than dual 3.06 p4's and when adobe and aplle brings them up to 64bits they will scream... the G5 is a 64 bit chip currently running @ 32bit, the P4 is 32 bit running at 32bit

Matt
Stephen Cook said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stephenacook
Click to expand...
 
or buy 5 P4 3hhz for the same money as 1 mac :D
mnadler said:
Matt
Stephen Cook said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stephenacook
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
 
RichW said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
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Sounds suspiciously like a troll to me. Macs cost more, and are slower. However, I (and I suspect a few others like me) am more concerned about other aspects of the whole computer user experience than simply saving a whopping 7 seconds whenever I apply the artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

-David
 
That way, you might have one that actually works when you start it up :O
nick_eos said:
mnadler said:
Matt
Stephen Cook said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stephenacook
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
Click to expand...
 
Dean Baird said:
nick_eos said:
mnadler said:
Matt
Stephen Cook said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stephenacook
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
Click to expand...
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--
Eyes are your brain sticking out of your head.
 
Dean Baird said:
nick_eos said:
mnadler said:
Matt
Stephen Cook said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stephenacook
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
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HI all,

Lets just put things in perspective.

1. Mac lost the performance race about 2-3 years ago.
2. Mac OSX is great!! (based on free BSD)
3. WindowsXP is much better than the OS's before it.

4. PC's are much less expensive. One of my PC's is a Dual amd 2.4, and it cost me under 1200.00

5. PC's are not as unreliable as they used to be. My dullie and P4 rarely if ever crash.

6. Hardware and software(in a huge variety) is easy to get for the PC, not for the Mac's.

7. If Mac let thousands of hardware and software developers build stuff for the Mac you would see the same kind issues that the PC's have.
8. Mac's are easier to use for most people.
9. Microsoft is greedy and evil... Ok thats a personal opinion....

Just my experience in building PC's for the last 8 years........

Thank You,
Rob
 
Ziggyzz said:
HI all,

Lets just put things in perspective.

1. Mac lost the performance race about 2-3 years ago.
2. Mac OSX is great!! (based on free BSD)
3. WindowsXP is much better than the OS's before it.
4. PC's are much less expensive. One of my PC's is a Dual amd 2.4,
and it cost me under 1200.00
5. PC's are not as unreliable as they used to be. My dullie and P4
rarely if ever crash.
6. Hardware and software(in a huge variety) is easy to get for the
PC, not for the Mac's.
7. If Mac let thousands of hardware and software developers build
stuff for the Mac you would see the same kind issues that the PC's
have.
8. Mac's are easier to use for most people.
9. Microsoft is greedy and evil... Ok thats a personal opinion....

Just my experience in building PC's for the last 8 years........

Thank You,
Rob
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You fell victim to the troll. The PC VS MAC debate has been done ad nauseam!
 
Hi,

OOP's should have caught that. No more post on this thread for me.

Thanks,
Rob
David Crockett said:
Ziggyzz said:
HI all,

Lets just put things in perspective.

1. Mac lost the performance race about 2-3 years ago.
2. Mac OSX is great!! (based on free BSD)
3. WindowsXP is much better than the OS's before it.
4. PC's are much less expensive. One of my PC's is a Dual amd 2.4,
and it cost me under 1200.00
5. PC's are not as unreliable as they used to be. My dullie and P4
rarely if ever crash.
6. Hardware and software(in a huge variety) is easy to get for the
PC, not for the Mac's.
7. If Mac let thousands of hardware and software developers build
stuff for the Mac you would see the same kind issues that the PC's
have.
8. Mac's are easier to use for most people.
9. Microsoft is greedy and evil... Ok thats a personal opinion....

Just my experience in building PC's for the last 8 years........

Thank You,
Rob
Click to expand...
You fell victim to the troll. The PC VS MAC debate has been done ad
nauseam!
Click to expand...
 
i found your information helpful. my intentions are earnest. i have noticed that my PC never crashes. perhaps, the extra performance gained from Apple is not worth the initial investment. thank you ziggyzz.

and don't fret, ziggyzz...davey crockett fell victim to the "troll" on two occasions in the same thread.

way to go davey...you think your so dam* smart, but all your really doing is perpetuating that which you see as "tolling".

here some pretty good advice posted earlier:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=6214758

if you have nothing good to say you'd be wise to heed it.
Ziggyzz said:
Dean Baird said:
nick_eos said:
mnadler said:
Matt
Stephen Cook said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
Click to expand...
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stephenacook
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/nick_eos/
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
HI all,

Lets just put things in perspective.

1. Mac lost the performance race about 2-3 years ago.
2. Mac OSX is great!! (based on free BSD)
3. WindowsXP is much better than the OS's before it.
4. PC's are much less expensive. One of my PC's is a Dual amd 2.4,
and it cost me under 1200.00
5. PC's are not as unreliable as they used to be. My dullie and P4
rarely if ever crash.
6. Hardware and software(in a huge variety) is easy to get for the
PC, not for the Mac's.
7. If Mac let thousands of hardware and software developers build
stuff for the Mac you would see the same kind issues that the PC's
have.
8. Mac's are easier to use for most people.
9. Microsoft is greedy and evil... Ok thats a personal opinion....

Just my experience in building PC's for the last 8 years........

Thank You,
Rob
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That was the remark David Lee Roth made about the US Festival. Van Halen got top billing and was paid one million...

The US Festival was a good idea that was done by people with no experience putting on that sort of event. Wozniak should have hired Bill Graham to set it up for him. One thing I do remember...Woz lost $20 million on the festival, but over the weekend his stock in Apple went up $40 million.

I guess there are photographers out there who use PCs, but I personally don't know them. Every newspaper I've ever worked for uses Macs, Black Star, my old agency, uses Macs. Magnum and VII use Macintosh. I use a PC at the radio station where I do news and I don't get it. Why would anybody who has a choice buy one of those?

Abu Mumia
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
  • Apocalypse Now
 
hehehe

actually in 23 odd years in using IT across many different platforms P4 and Win2K is just about the most stable platform i have ever used (incl the odd couple of hundred macs)
Dean Baird said:
nick_eos said:
mnadler said:
Matt
Stephen Cook said:
vinke said:
D60, RAW photographer writes:

way off topic, i know, but...

did any of you attend the 1983 "US Festival" in San Bernardino, CA?
http://www.usfestivals.com/

the whole concert (3 days of the most popular bands of the time)
was financed/orchestrated by Steve Wozniak of Apple Computer and
was, supposedly, a huge $ flop. i was there. i had a fairly good
time, despite the blazing heat, massive crowds, and reclusive local.

the one thing i have never forgot was the price of food and other
items inside the venue. i remember waiting in line for over 1 hr.
to buy a BBQ Beef Sandwich and soft drink (a long spare rib bone,
no meat, slapped between 2 pieces of white bread w/ catsup sauce
and a hot sugar water as a drink/$10.00)!

although that was probably NOT Wozniak's doing, I still think of
the irony: incredible price-gouging while the financier claims to
have come out on the short end of the stick?

QUESTION: Are things "Apple" still a bad value?

lately i have been torn between:

1- "upgrading" to 17" iMac 1 gig RAM/1.25 ghz or G5 w/ Formac
monitor
or
2- upgrading 2ghz, p4, 512 RAM, PC to 1 gig RAM, replacing
old, large monitor w/ Samsung "Syncmaster 191T LCD monitor.

both options 1 & 2 both save me space (one of my primary concerns).

Yesterday I tested the iMac 1.25 ghz, 512 ram, os x, with a sample
image. i was comparing the speed to my PC 2 ghz, 512 ram, pentium 4.

the same image was used, PS 7.0 on both machines. i applied the
artistic, watercolor brush detail 9, shadow intensity 1, texture 1.

after applying the effect here's how long the machines took:

PC= about 13 seconds

iMac = about 20 seconds.

i was surprised. i thought the iMac was supposed to be faster,
despite, the lower ghz.
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Get the Mac. Not an iMac, but get a Mac. iMacs are planned obsolesence. They are meant to be throw away computers but they are too expensive to have appliance value.

Go for a low end G5. Plenty of horsepower for now and lots of expandiblity for for the future. Don't believe people about Macs being too expensive. At the mid and high end they are priced very competitively with any top tier vendor (Dell, HP etc). Yes, you could probably build a PC for less, but quite simply, it wouldn't have the polish of an Apple machine.

Ultimately your computer is a tool. But you will be happier with your Mac. This is hard to quanitify but it will most likely be true. Why are Mac users such zealots? You really must ask yourself this question. Sure, some are zealots beacause they're loons. Some know nothing about computers and simply want to feel good about their purchase. And then there are those that feel they have a relationship with their computer. It's an odd thing, but it is nonetheless true.

At work I deal with PCs everyday (IT nonsense) at home I come to a Mac that simply works. No platform is without it's drawbacks, but the Mac has the least. With the G5 and Mac OS X now (perhaps more than ever) is a great time to consider a Mac. You'll most likely be equally productive on a Win XP machine, but again, you'll be happier with your Mac.
 
vinke said:
i found your information helpful. my intentions are earnest. i have
noticed that my PC never crashes. perhaps, the extra performance
gained from Apple is not worth the initial investment. thank you
ziggyzz.

and don't fret, ziggyzz...davey crockett fell victim to the "troll"
on two occasions in the same thread.

way to go davey...you think your so dam* smart, but all your really
doing is perpetuating that which you see as "tolling".

here some pretty good advice posted earlier:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=6214758

if you have nothing good to say you'd be wise to heed it.
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Vinke I apologize, you weren’t trolling. And yes, I have been bated into the Mac VS PC debate, which is exactly why I said what I did. Once you've been down that ugly path and realize the futility of these debates, you try to avoid them like the plague. These threads get started every other week or so and they always, ALWAYS, spiral into bickering and berating each other's platform. Nothing really gets accomplished. Your post, "I was surprised. I thought the iMac was supposed to be faster, despite, the lower ghz." sounded like bait, sorry but it did. That is old information, everyone knows (or at least I thought they did) that Macs are not as fast as PCs (at least until now with the G5) Thus, your question honestly sounded like an attempt to draw mac supporters in to bash them. And quite frankly helping these forums avoid ugly platform bashing cant be considered a bad thing, can it?

On a lighter note, I attended the Us festival. I was a young teenager but I remembering having a good time. I was huge Van Halen fan back then and remember David Lee Roth being so drunk he forgot the words a few times. That irritated many people but I actually got a kick out of it. What a circus that was.

-David
 
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