DP Review: 14-30 Sample Images - Initial thoughts?

rhlpetrus · Jan 14, 2019

VBLondon said:
travelinbri_74 said:

Thoughts from others? Amazing physical size, FL range and ability to use filters.

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I like the photos. What I found interesting was how many were at 14mm and how useful that FL can be. I've never owned wider than 17mm (17-35 2.8) and only once borrowed a friend's 14-24, years ago. I sort-of assumed 14mm was a 'specialist' FL, but for city landscapes and indoor work, it looks great. I've pre-ordered a 14-30, looking forward to it, may be more useful than I thought.

A question, what is the big deal about filters? (I don't use them except NCs to protect the front element). Is it protection or do a lot of people use filters for creative effects? Which ones? Is it mainly ND?

ND for moving water effects, to reduce SS, is one use I have seen. Polarizer is another one.

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dantastical · Jan 14, 2019

VBLondon said:
A question, what is the big deal about filters? (I don't use them except NCs to protect the front element). Is it protection or do a lot of people use filters for creative effects? Which ones? Is it mainly ND?

Yes I think ultra wide angles are often used with water shots so nd filters are great for smoothing the water. Also this lens will be fantastic for video, which requires nd filters in bright conditions.

Rico Schiekel · Jan 14, 2019

VBLondon said:
travelinbri_74 said:

Thoughts from others? Amazing physical size, FL range and ability to use filters.

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I like the photos. What I found interesting was how many were at 14mm and how useful that FL can be. I've never owned wider than 17mm (17-35 2.8) and only once borrowed a friend's 14-24, years ago. I sort-of assumed 14mm was a 'specialist' FL, but for city landscapes and indoor work, it looks great. I've pre-ordered a 14-30, looking forward to it, may be more useful than I thought.

A question, what is the big deal about filters? (I don't use them except NCs to protect the front element). Is it protection or do a lot of people use filters for creative effects? Which ones? Is it mainly ND?

There is actually no 14mm lens on the market (please correct me if I'm wrong) which accepts standard 100mm square filters. That makes the lens so unique and valuable in my opinion.

Even with the great DR we have with the modern cameras, grads and reverse grads are still a very useful tool. As well as for any kind of long exposures.

Another application which could not be reproduced in post is the polarizing filter. On such a wide lens it's not applicable for all possible situations, but for examples like this it's again very valuable.

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Leonard Shepherd · Jan 14, 2019

thomas2279f said:
Agree - at later date the price of 14-30 should far (fall) and in a years time some good 2nd hand examples.

I expect the 14-30 to go on long back-order.

It complements a lightweight and compact option for ML photographers relative to the 14-24 or 16-35 F lenses.

With first delivery not due until April I do not expect street discounts on new list price until well into 2020.

VBLondon · Jan 14, 2019

Thanks Rico, and to Dantastical & rhlpetrus in the posts above yours

Mackiesback · Jan 14, 2019

DWM said:
goactive said:

I have the much less money newer Tamron 10-24 for cropped and it produces just as sharp images from edge to edge on my D500.

So the new Nikon looks good but the price for a F4 is way to high.

I wish the Tamron would work on my Z6 in cropped but it won't I get the lens error.

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You realize that you cannot compare edge to edge sharpness of a lens on a cropped sensor camera to full frame?

I think you can when it’s a DX lens. FF lenses on DX will usually have good corner sharpness, less of a guarantee with DX lenses.

Sure, not as heavy lifting, but the end result is what should matter.

That said I find the new Nikon impressive. I would not pay that much for F4 for a camera without ibis, but it’s a brave new Nikon world.

Verkku · Jan 14, 2019

travelinbri_74 said:
It is certainly pixel peeping, but I am less than impressed with the samples at 100%. Want to go back and look at other lenses to see if I am just being unnecessarily fickle. Thoughts from others? Amazing physical size, FL range and ability to use filters.

Andre Yew · Jan 14, 2019

I agree with you. The samples don't have any microcontrast or snap. It could be excessive noise reduction too, but I'm not sure.

edit: looking at the EXIF now, it looks like it's either SOOC JPEG or Capture NX-D was used to emulate SOOC JPEG, which would explain the dull, high-NR look.

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Brian P Smith · Jan 15, 2019

Mackiesback said:
DWM said:

goactive said:

I have the much less money newer Tamron 10-24 for cropped and it produces just as sharp images from edge to edge on my D500.

So the new Nikon looks good but the price for a F4 is way to high.

I wish the Tamron would work on my Z6 in cropped but it won't I get the lens error.

Click to expand...

You realize that you cannot compare edge to edge sharpness of a lens on a cropped sensor camera to full frame?

Click to expand...

I think you can when it’s a DX lens. FF lenses on DX will usually have good corner sharpness, less of a guarantee with DX lenses.

Sure, not as heavy lifting, but the end result is what should matter.

That said I find the new Nikon impressive. I would not pay that much for F4 for a camera without ibis, but it’s a brave new Nikon world.

That's the point though; it's comparing a crop lens on a crop camera vs a FF lens.

I'm not sure about what you meant by "a camera without ibis" because the Z series do.

The price of the 14-30 is on-par with other 16-35mm F4s, with the older and more mass produced Canon/Nikon's being about $200-300 cheaper and the Sony being the same price.

Mackiesback · Jan 15, 2019

Brian P Smith said:
Mackiesback said:

DWM said:

goactive said:

I have the much less money newer Tamron 10-24 for cropped and it produces just as sharp images from edge to edge on my D500.

So the new Nikon looks good but the price for a F4 is way to high.

I wish the Tamron would work on my Z6 in cropped but it won't I get the lens error.

Click to expand...

You realize that you cannot compare edge to edge sharpness of a lens on a cropped sensor camera to full frame?

Click to expand...

I think you can when it’s a DX lens. FF lenses on DX will usually have good corner sharpness, less of a guarantee with DX lenses.

Sure, not as heavy lifting, but the end result is what should matter.

That said I find the new Nikon impressive. I would not pay that much for F4 for a camera without ibis, but it’s a brave new Nikon world.

Click to expand...

That's the point though; it's comparing a crop lens on a crop camera vs a FF lens.

I'm not sure about what you meant by "a camera without ibis" because the Z series do.

The price of the 14-30 is on-par with other 16-35mm F4s, with the older and more mass produced Canon/Nikon's being about $200-300 cheaper and the Sony being the same price.

I meant that I would never spend this much for an F4 lens unless it was intended for an IBIS body, which this one is.

goactive · Jan 15, 2019

Why it gives a FF view of 15mm but on a cropped body.

You can compare that to 15mm on an FF

DWM said:
goactive said:

I have the much less money newer Tamron 10-24 for cropped and it produces just as sharp images from edge to edge on my D500.

So the new Nikon looks good but the price for a F4 is way to high.

I wish the Tamron would work on my Z6 in cropped but it won't I get the lens error.

Click to expand...

You realize that you cannot compare edge to edge sharpness of a lens on a cropped sensor camera to full frame?

dantastical · Jan 15, 2019

IT'S an f 5.3-6.8 equivalent lens so compare at those apertures

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