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The "reveal" of the new prof Oly body gets me head scratching. It is really about the possible physical size and price. Currently a Nikon D750, admittedly old school tech, sells for $1900C (and cheaper in the US) with a 50/1.8mm lens and 128 gig Sandisk memory card. It is a very competent camera. OK, I live in a birder centric area and three of my birder crazy neighbours gave up their Nikons and associated lenses for an EM1ii and the 40-150 and 300m Oly lenses.

Why, because Oly was making a camera/lenses of good quality, a smaller size in combination with the lenses, a major deciding factor, and satisfactory imaging. The smaller size was significant, as was the fact that the price and quality of the lenses were at least competitive with comparable Nikon and third party lenses. In discussion with them, they are generally happy. I asked them if a camera like the MX-1, being larger and costlier, would they consider them? The flat response was no, with no hesitation whatsoever. They cited the Nikon D500 and D750 as examples of cameras that simply do what they do very well and likely cheaper in combination with competent Nikon or third party lenses.

If they are representative of that level of serious photographers, which they are, then the camera would have to be attractive to the next level, the professionals using the truly prof grade cameras and lenses. Price and size are less of a consideration for them than output. That brings up the M4/3 vs FF conundrum.

So why? Is this to show off Olympus's technical skills? Is it a last gasp effort to push M4/3? Panasonic with their FF road to travel will be challenging for them. For me Oly's road has me head scratching. I bought into M4/3 for the compact size and progressively better user and pic quality but I am very aware of its limits. I accept them. Do larger, costlier cameras and lenses in an M4/3 format have a future in such competitive times. Not for me. Hardly relevant. But what is the rest of the world, those fewer people who actually have an interest in a acquiring or upgrading to a good camera system, thinking and how will they react to this new product? I am very skeptical.

How are G9 sales going? I notice the price keeps dropping.

Ok assail away....

JDW
 
Scratch away ...

The video did a good job at teasing us. The only thing I'm reading into it is the announcement date. I may take January 24 as a holiday.
 
You can't know the value or size relationship until you know the details.

People keep saying this is a concept, a one off etc. This could also be Olympus' way of saying if you like the form factor and have to buy a ton of new lenses anyway, what about this?

I think as long as they have their video all sorted out, and their AF all sorted out, the hand held high res plus connectivity etc. This will be a knock out.
 
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Presently I don't know enough about the E-M1X to know if I would purchase the camera. The camera body size will make it a niche camera for me and not an everyday camera. The larger body will improve ergonomics. Still it comes down to performance and features. So I am waiting for actual reviewers to decide. If it doesn't make me feel like it is worth the price and size disadvantages I will continue using my E-M1 for my everyday camera and the Pen F for my social camera I am very happy with these two cameras. If the E-M1X gives me something that I want and can't get with what I currently own I just might buy it. I will know more on January 24th. Until then I have no reason to rant.

Nikon has their D5 and Canon has their 1DX, the Olymics will be in Japan next year, the relocation of camera manufacturing to Vietnam, their 100th anniversary all comes into play. A low volumn production run is a good way if getting their new camera body manufacturing line going. High end is a good way of highlighting the company for their 100th anniversary. If this camera is not for you maybe one of the other two being released later in the year will suit you.

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What I find a bit puzzling is it's apparently meant to be a possible X-T3 killer but you could buy two X-T3's (if inclined) for the price of one EMX-1 !! If I had the money to get one of these it would be tough to ignore.
 
If you believe the rumoured specs, then the E-M1X is 10mm wider than the E-M1.2 (apparently on the right side, when looking through the EVF, which would be a bonus for me a left-eye dominant shooter)

AND

the same height as the E-M1.2 plus the HLD-9 vertical grip.

So...much ado about nothing.

Cheers.

P.S.

I have two E-M1.2 bodies and a HLD-9 grip (which is permanently attached to one of them). I am selling one body and keeping the other body plus grip as a second/backup combo to the E-M1X.
 
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If the 150-400 is stellar, I'll probably buy it, it looks small for that range. The new EMx-1 will be the accessory to get the most out of the lens.
 
The camera hasn't been revealed yet, just been teased. There is too much uncertain about it to make a judgment by this point. The size is only slightly wider than a E-M1 II with grip (and same height). We don't yet know the justification for the built in grip.
 
What I find a bit puzzling is it's apparently meant to be a possible X-T3 killer but you could buy two X-T3's (if inclined) for the price of one EMX-1 !! If I had the money to get one of these it would be tough to ignore.
I seriously doubt Olympus designed the E-M1X to be a X-T3 killer (and it would have been designed prior to the release of the X-T3). While X-T3 apparently is a good camera, it doesn't have IBIS for dual stabilization, it doesn't have hand held or any high resolution and the only long Fuji lens is the 100-400 which loses any IQ advantage at 600mm FF FOV over the 300mm f4 and is unfortunately is not that sharp at 400mm. Now the Fuji 200mm f2 is a very good lens, but a little short for wildlife and $6000.

I do think Olympus designed the E-M1X to be competitive with the best crop sensor cameras (including the D500) for sports/wildlife while offering extremely good stabilization and the option of very high resolution and much better color for stationary targets.

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The "reveal" of the new prof Oly body gets me head scratching. It is really about the possible physical size and price. Currently a Nikon D750, admittedly old school tech, sells for $1900C (and cheaper in the US) with a 50/1.8mm lens and 128 gig Sandisk memory card. It is a very competent camera. OK, I live in a birder centric area and three of my birder crazy neighbours gave up their Nikons and associated lenses for an EM1ii and the 40-150 and 300m Oly lenses.

Why, because Oly was making a camera/lenses of good quality, a smaller size in combination with the lenses,
This is key here. Forget about the size of the body for a second and just consider a bag full of Canon L zooms and long lenses.
a major deciding factor, and satisfactory imaging. The smaller size was significant, as was the fact that the price and quality of the lenses were at least competitive with comparable Nikon and third party lenses. In discussion with them, they are generally happy. I asked them if a camera like the MX-1, being larger and costlier, would they consider them? The flat response was no, with no hesitation whatsoever. They cited the Nikon D500 and D750 as examples of cameras that simply do what they do very well and likely cheaper in combination with competent Nikon or third party lenses.
It is a bit like buying a new printer. The ink is what the real cost will be especially to heavy users. There are some great FF camera bargains, but once you start pricing up lenses, the system cost soon skyrockets.

Consider the whole system cost and things look a little different.
If they are representative of that level of serious photographers, which they are, then the camera would have to be attractive to the next level, the professionals using the truly prof grade cameras and lenses. Price and size are less of a consideration for them than output. That brings up the M4/3 vs FF conundrum.

So why? Is this to show off Olympus's technical skills? Is it a last gasp effort to push M4/3? Panasonic with their FF road to travel will be challenging for them. For me Oly's road has me head scratching. I bought into M4/3 for the compact size
That is still there.
and progressively better user and pic quality but I am very aware of its limits. I accept them. Do larger, costlier cameras and lenses in an M4/3 format have a future in such competitive times. Not for me.
Maybe not, but look on this forum for users of larger MFT cameras as well as the larger pro lenses.
Hardly relevant. But what is the rest of the world,
Well, I bet Olympus have sold shedloads of the EPL 9 in the Asian market!
those fewer people who actually have an interest in a acquiring or upgrading to a good camera system, thinking and how will they react to this new product? I am very skeptical.
The new camera may not be for me either. Doesnt stop me loving my E-M1 and small collection of lenses.
How are G9 sales going? I notice the price keeps dropping.

Ok assail away....

JDW
 
The "reveal" of the new prof Oly body gets me head scratching. It is really about the possible physical size and price. Currently a Nikon D750, admittedly old school tech, sells for $1900C (and cheaper in the US) with a 50/1.8mm lens and 128 gig Sandisk memory card. It is a very competent camera. OK, I live in a birder centric area and three of my birder crazy neighbours gave up their Nikons and associated lenses for an EM1ii and the 40-150 and 300m Oly lenses.

Why, because Oly was making a camera/lenses of good quality, a smaller size in combination with the lenses,
This is key here. Forget about the size of the body for a second and just consider a bag full of Canon L zooms and long lenses.
Then reconsider a bagful of two stops slower lenses if all you want to do is match m43. The large heavy FF super telephoto lenses favoured by the sport and nature pros are that size for a reason. That is the problem when you compare across systems by multiplying the effective focal length whilst ignoring the effective aperture and total light gathering

The problem is finding slow enough FF lenses of recent manufacture. to match m43 lenses . Lenses that are very exotic and at the highest end of the m43 price list look very pedestrian when you consider lenses that could do an equivalent job on FF.

Our exotics FF equivalents

12mm F/1.4 24mm F/2.8

17mm F/1.2 34mm F/2.4

25mm F/1.2 50mm F/2.4

42.5mm F/1.2 85mm F/2.4

200mm F/2.8 400mm F/5.6

100-400mm F/4-6.3 200-800mm F/8-12.6

40-150mm F/2.8 80-300mm F/5.6

150-400mm F/4 300-800mm F/8

I am only comparing equiv lenses here if you compare the prices of like for like m43 does not do very well. I am not comparing them to low end plastic fantastic there are superb F/1.8 lenses around such as the 55mm and 85mm Sony's that offer better DOF control and gather more total light than their F/1.2 m43 options. Whilst being smaller lighter and cheaper

a major deciding factor, and satisfactory imaging. The smaller size was significant, as was the fact that the price and quality of the lenses were at least competitive with comparable Nikon and third party lenses. In discussion with them, they are generally happy. I asked them if a camera like the MX-1, being larger and costlier, would they consider them? The flat response was no, with no hesitation whatsoever. They cited the Nikon D500 and D750 as examples of cameras that simply do what they do very well and likely cheaper in combination with competent Nikon or third party lenses.
It is a bit like buying a new printer. The ink is what the real cost will be especially to heavy users. There are some great FF camera bargains, but once you start pricing up lenses, the system cost soon skyrockets.

Consider the whole system cost and things look a little different.
If they are representative of that level of serious photographers, which they are, then the camera would have to be attractive to the next level, the professionals using the truly prof grade cameras and lenses. Price and size are less of a consideration for them than output. That brings up the M4/3 vs FF conundrum.

So why? Is this to show off Olympus's technical skills? Is it a last gasp effort to push M4/3? Panasonic with their FF road to travel will be challenging for them. For me Oly's road has me head scratching. I bought into M4/3 for the compact size
That is still there.
and progressively better user and pic quality but I am very aware of its limits. I accept them. Do larger, costlier cameras and lenses in an M4/3 format have a future in such competitive times. Not for me.
Maybe not, but look on this forum for users of larger MFT cameras as well as the larger pro lenses.
Hardly relevant. But what is the rest of the world,
Well, I bet Olympus have sold shedloads of the EPL 9 in the Asian market!
those fewer people who actually have an interest in a acquiring or upgrading to a good camera system, thinking and how will they react to this new product? I am very skeptical.
The new camera may not be for me either. Doesnt stop me loving my E-M1 and small collection of lenses.
How are G9 sales going? I notice the price keeps dropping.

Ok assail away....

JDW
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The "reveal" of the new prof Oly body gets me head scratching. It is really about the possible physical size and price. Currently a Nikon D750, admittedly old school tech, sells for $1900C (and cheaper in the US) with a 50/1.8mm lens and 128 gig Sandisk memory card. It is a very competent camera. OK, I live in a birder centric area and three of my birder crazy neighbours gave up their Nikons and associated lenses for an EM1ii and the 40-150 and 300m Oly lenses.

Why, because Oly was making a camera/lenses of good quality, a smaller size in combination with the lenses,
This is key here. Forget about the size of the body for a second and just consider a bag full of Canon L zooms and long lenses.
Then reconsider a bagful of two stops slower lenses if all you want to do is match m43. The large heavy FF super telephoto lenses favoured by the sport and nature pros are that size for a reason. That is the problem when you compare across systems by multiplying the effective focal length whilst ignoring the effective aperture and total light gathering

The problem is finding slow enough FF lenses of recent manufacture. to match m43 lenses . Lenses that are very exotic and at the highest end of the m43 price list look very pedestrian when you consider lenses that could do an equivalent job on FF.

Our exotics FF equivalents

12mm F/1.4 24mm F/2.8

17mm F/1.2 34mm F/2.4

25mm F/1.2 50mm F/2.4

42.5mm F/1.2 85mm F/2.4

200mm F/2.8 400mm F/5.6

100-400mm F/4-6.3 200-800mm F/8-12.6

40-150mm F/2.8 80-300mm F/5.6

150-400mm F/4 300-800mm F/8

I am only comparing equiv lenses here if you compare the prices of like for like m43 does not do very well. I am not comparing them to low end plastic fantastic there are superb F/1.8 lenses around such as the 55mm and 85mm Sony's that offer better DOF control and gather more total light than their F/1.2 m43 options. Whilst being smaller lighter and cheaper
That comparison only makes sense if you ignore all the characteristics of lenses and focus only on FOV and the equivalent aperture. There was a discussion about this where it was noted that at the equivalent apertures, while the FF lens are less expensive, you don't get the best glass available, while you do in MFT.

If you buy a high res FF body, you can make up for some of this, but if the body is of similar resolution, then the lens combo may lose out to MFT.
 
The "reveal" of the new prof Oly body gets me head scratching. It is really about the possible physical size and price. Currently a Nikon D750, admittedly old school tech, sells for $1900C (and cheaper in the US) with a 50/1.8mm lens and 128 gig Sandisk memory card. It is a very competent camera. OK, I live in a birder centric area and three of my birder crazy neighbours gave up their Nikons and associated lenses for an EM1ii and the 40-150 and 300m Oly lenses.

Why, because Oly was making a camera/lenses of good quality, a smaller size in combination with the lenses,
This is key here. Forget about the size of the body for a second and just consider a bag full of Canon L zooms and long lenses.
Then reconsider a bagful of two stops slower lenses if all you want to do is match m43. The large heavy FF super telephoto lenses favoured by the sport and nature pros are that size for a reason. That is the problem when you compare across systems by multiplying the effective focal length whilst ignoring the effective aperture and total light gathering

The problem is finding slow enough FF lenses of recent manufacture. to match m43 lenses . Lenses that are very exotic and at the highest end of the m43 price list look very pedestrian when you consider lenses that could do an equivalent job on FF.

Our exotics FF equivalents

12mm F/1.4 24mm F/2.8

17mm F/1.2 34mm F/2.4

25mm F/1.2 50mm F/2.4

42.5mm F/1.2 85mm F/2.4

200mm F/2.8 400mm F/5.6

100-400mm F/4-6.3 200-800mm F/8-12.6

40-150mm F/2.8 80-300mm F/5.6

150-400mm F/4 300-800mm F/8

I am only comparing equiv lenses here if you compare the prices of like for like m43 does not do very well. I am not comparing them to low end plastic fantastic there are superb F/1.8 lenses around such as the 55mm and 85mm Sony's that offer better DOF control and gather more total light than their F/1.2 m43 options. Whilst being smaller lighter and cheaper
a major deciding factor, and satisfactory imaging. The smaller size was significant, as was the fact that the price and quality of the lenses were at least competitive with comparable Nikon and third party lenses. In discussion with them, they are generally happy. I asked them if a camera like the MX-1, being larger and costlier, would they consider them? The flat response was no, with no hesitation whatsoever. They cited the Nikon D500 and D750 as examples of cameras that simply do what they do very well and likely cheaper in combination with competent Nikon or third party lenses.
It is a bit like buying a new printer. The ink is what the real cost will be especially to heavy users. There are some great FF camera bargains, but once you start pricing up lenses, the system cost soon skyrockets.

Consider the whole system cost and things look a little different.
If they are representative of that level of serious photographers, which they are, then the camera would have to be attractive to the next level, the professionals using the truly prof grade cameras and lenses. Price and size are less of a consideration for them than output. That brings up the M4/3 vs FF conundrum.

So why? Is this to show off Olympus's technical skills? Is it a last gasp effort to push M4/3? Panasonic with their FF road to travel will be challenging for them. For me Oly's road has me head scratching. I bought into M4/3 for the compact size
That is still there.
and progressively better user and pic quality but I am very aware of its limits. I accept them. Do larger, costlier cameras and lenses in an M4/3 format have a future in such competitive times. Not for me.
Maybe not, but look on this forum for users of larger MFT cameras as well as the larger pro lenses.
Hardly relevant. But what is the rest of the world,
Well, I bet Olympus have sold shedloads of the EPL 9 in the Asian market!
those fewer people who actually have an interest in a acquiring or upgrading to a good camera system, thinking and how will they react to this new product? I am very skeptical.
The new camera may not be for me either. Doesnt stop me loving my E-M1 and small collection of lenses.
How are G9 sales going? I notice the price keeps dropping.

Ok assail away....

JDW
 
As in 100 years. This is Olympus' 100 year technical wonder. It's a new flagship designed to offer ultimate speed and responsiveness to those who are otherwise satisfied with m43 IQ. It is not a mass market camera, anymore than the D5, 1DX and A9 are mass market cameras. To read anymore into it is overthinking. Especially when rumors are that Olympus will have 2 more cameras this year.
 
As in 100 years. This is Olympus' 100 year technical wonder. It's a new flagship designed to offer ultimate speed and responsiveness to those who are otherwise satisfied with m43 IQ. It is not a mass market camera, anymore than the D5, 1DX and A9 are mass market cameras. To read anymore into it is overthinking. Especially when rumors are that Olympus will have 2 more cameras this year.
What!? Such calm reasoning... you, sir, do not fit in here!
 
The "reveal" of the new prof Oly body gets me head scratching. It is really about the possible physical size and price. Currently a Nikon D750, admittedly old school tech, sells for $1900C (and cheaper in the US) with a 50/1.8mm lens and 128 gig Sandisk memory card. It is a very competent camera. OK, I live in a birder centric area and three of my birder crazy neighbours gave up their Nikons and associated lenses for an EM1ii and the 40-150 and 300m Oly lenses.

Why, because Oly was making a camera/lenses of good quality, a smaller size in combination with the lenses, a major deciding factor, and satisfactory imaging. The smaller size was significant, as was the fact that the price and quality of the lenses were at least competitive with comparable Nikon and third party lenses. In discussion with them, they are generally happy. I asked them if a camera like the MX-1, being larger and costlier, would they consider them? The flat response was no, with no hesitation whatsoever. They cited the Nikon D500 and D750 as examples of cameras that simply do what they do very well and likely cheaper in combination with competent Nikon or third party lenses.

If they are representative of that level of serious photographers, which they are, then the camera would have to be attractive to the next level, the professionals using the truly prof grade cameras and lenses. Price and size are less of a consideration for them than output. That brings up the M4/3 vs FF conundrum.

So why? Is this to show off Olympus's technical skills? Is it a last gasp effort to push M4/3? Panasonic with their FF road to travel will be challenging for them. For me Oly's road has me head scratching. I bought into M4/3 for the compact size and progressively better user and pic quality but I am very aware of its limits. I accept them. Do larger, costlier cameras and lenses in an M4/3 format have a future in such competitive times. Not for me. Hardly relevant. But what is the rest of the world, those fewer people who actually have an interest in a acquiring or upgrading to a good camera system, thinking and how will they react to this new product? I am very skeptical.

How are G9 sales going? I notice the price keeps dropping.

Ok assail away....

JDW
This post is symptomatic of a new trend . The « ME,ME, & Only ME » trend. If you do not see the need for it, then It is a MISTAKE for the manufacturer to produce it

people here should try to be more open minded and try to understand a SIMPLE concept. Having options is ALWAYS better.

Personally I have NO interest in a very large body but this does NOT mean i consider it a mistake for Olympus to release it

I assume some sports photographers and wildlife lovers will be interested.

As long as you can find what you like/need in a system why would you care ?

Look at it this way : whatever helps Olympus to widen and/ or solidify its customer base is good for ALL micro 4/3 users

Harold
 
You can't know the value or size relationship until you know the details.

People keep saying this is a concept, a one off etc. This could also be Olympus' way of saying if you like the form factor and have to buy a ton of new lenses anyway, what about this?

I think as long as they have their video all sorted out, and their AF all sorted out, the hand held high res plus connectivity etc. This will be a knock out.
What I realized after seeing the teaser is that this is for sports, not wildlife.

The big grip allows easy handling in vertical or horizontal position.

If it was for birders / fast moving wildlife smaller size like e-m1 II would make sense.

I think it’s just a sham the grip wasn’t detachable to get an E-M1 II size.

So to the OP, I’m not surprised by your friend comments. E-M1 III will likely be the camera for them with the AF and CAF improvements of the x.

Lets ignore price til we get more info.
 
You can't know the value or size relationship until you know the details.

People keep saying this is a concept, a one off etc. This could also be Olympus' way of saying if you like the form factor and have to buy a ton of new lenses anyway, what about this?

I think as long as they have their video all sorted out, and their AF all sorted out, the hand held high res plus connectivity etc. This will be a knock out.
What I realized after seeing the teaser is that this is for sports, not wildlife.

The big grip allows easy handling in vertical or horizontal position.

If it was for birders / fast moving wildlife smaller size like e-m1 II would make sense.
why do you think that.

Shooting birds is >90% of my photography and I use 3 DSLRs and the E-M1 II. I have battery grips on all of them, primarily for the improved handling when using large lenses, but also for the battery endurance.

Peter
I think it’s just a sham the grip wasn’t detachable to get an E-M1 II size.

So to the OP, I’m not surprised by your friend comments. E-M1 III will likely be the camera for them with the AF and CAF improvements of the x.

Lets ignore price til we get more info.
 
The circle jerking on this thread is hilarious.

It's not big, it's of an average size but still compact compared to DSLRs, and if it's still too big for your use don't buy it.

I should imagine the fixed grips are there as most people who use the battery grips do so permanently (as I do too) and the slight play when fitted can be annoying. I'll imagine it's also to improve handling with significantly larger lenses and not the current range of MFT lenses (successors to the SHG lenses on the way maybe). There is also the possibility that in order to improve the IBIS more space was needed, along with more space for computer parts and such.

This complaining about an as of yet unreleased product is like complaining about the wheel arches on your car being bigger than your wheels. They have to fit multiple sized wheels depending on user preferences and also to balance out the rest of the car, whilst still leaving room for unknown variables... Let's just wait to see what Oly actually have in store for us before writing it off completely.
 

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