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Hi,

I know this is not an usual move, as the Sony is the competitor with the more similar Z 7, but this is what I have actually done.

I struggled for a few days with Nikon Z6, mainly with autofocus.

In normal incandescent light, shooting video of Kids singing for Christmas, the focus tracking struggled to keep up with a locked subject, showing a few in and out of focus moments; very brief , but enough to make the video unusable.

I had to re-shoot the scene, and use manual focus, and a smaller aperture, where I was sure all the scene will be in focus.... This was a first and huge disappointment with the cam. I was paid to shoot ...

What I noticed then, doing some testing, that the low light AF in AF-S mode to be much inferior in speed to my D750 matted with the 24-120mm (kit lens on Z6). It seems to take a tad longer to lock under similar lighting conditions.

The other thing is the lens selection... I hate the adapter, and I really bought into the mirror-less as I wanted a more compact and still capable system like my D810, as I want to carry a camera with me anywhere I go.

Then is the resolution. I know for most people 24mpix is plenty, but coming from a D810 I really missed those big clean 36 mpix files. Plenty to crop, and no need to worry I don't have enough mpix if I need to take half of picture out (this is my lack of framing skills).

I know, I know, I should have gone Z7, and I almost clicked on "confirm order in my basket with a Z7 kit. But then I went back to look at my most used focal ranges, and apertures. And what I shot with the pics that sold more.

...I really really liked the 24-105mm focal range on Canon ( I am old. I owned many systems in my life, including at least 7 Canon bodies)., and 24-120mm on Nikon. And then I really wanted a small system for travel, something like the voigtlander 40mm /2 on my D750. For now, the Z system does not give us that.

So I returned my Z6 and ordered a A7RIII with the 24-105mm F/4 lens. I will see how this go and report my findings. I have a remorse now to be honest returning my Z6, but it was not the jack of all trades I was after.

The Sony A7 with a 35mm /2.8 Zeiss lens which has great reviews could be my best travel combo... Time will tell.
 
Hi,

I know this is not an usual move, as the Sony is the competitor with the more similar Z 7, but this is what I have actually done.

I struggled for a few days with Nikon Z6, mainly with autofocus.

In normal incandescent light, shooting video of Kids singing for Christmas, the focus tracking struggled to keep up with a locked subject, showing a few in and out of focus moments; very brief , but enough to make the video unusable.

I had to re-shoot the scene, and use manual focus, and a smaller aperture, where I was sure all the scene will be in focus.... This was a first and huge disappointment with the cam. I was paid to shoot ...

What I noticed then, doing some testing, that the low light AF in AF-S mode to be much inferior in speed to my D750 matted with the 24-120mm (kit lens on Z6). It seems to take a tad longer to lock under similar lighting conditions.

The other thing is the lens selection... I hate the adapter, and I really bought into the mirror-less as I wanted a more compact and still capable system like my D810, as I want to carry a camera with me anywhere I go.

Then is the resolution. I know for most people 24mpix is plenty, but coming from a D810 I really missed those big clean 36 mpix files. Plenty to crop, and no need to worry I don't have enough mpix if I need to take half of picture out (this is my lack of framing skills).

I know, I know, I should have gone Z7, and I almost clicked on "confirm order in my basket with a Z7 kit. But then I went back to look at my most used focal ranges, and apertures. And what I shot with the pics that sold more.

...I really really liked the 24-105mm focal range on Canon ( I am old. I owned many systems in my life, including at least 7 Canon bodies)., and 24-120mm on Nikon. And then I really wanted a small system for travel, something like the voigtlander 40mm /2 on my D750. For now, the Z system does not give us that.

So I returned my Z6 and ordered a A7RIII with the 24-105mm F/4 lens. I will see how this go and report my findings. I have a remorse now to be honest returning my Z6, but it was not the jack of all trades I was after.

The Sony A7 with a 35mm /2.8 Zeiss lens which has great reviews could be my best travel combo... Time will tell.
The Sony 24-105 f4 is hard to beat if you like this range and you have a lower cost 35 f2.8 option that is still really good if you want to reduce your cost. So I think you're going to like the lenses and the AF but you will be giving up the Z6 EVF and rear LCD. The EVF gets mentioned a lot but I think the differences in rear LCD might be under appreciated. The Z6 display is larger with higher resolution and a more capable touchscreen. I also think the Z6 IBIS is more effective than the A7rIII - especially when you're using the Sony 24-105 f4. Personally while I prefer the Z6 grip and handling, I don't think the difference is nearly what some people seem to think but it's subjective.
 
From reviews the Sony video af is no better than nikon, I think a reality of video is that af (which is usually starved of light due to required shutter speeds) is not reliable, hence why professional movie productions generally auto focus, I'm not sure if there's any system that can reliably track moving kids in video, and if it hunts even once the shot is usually ruined.

I haven't used any Sony cameras though so just basing on reviews, please let us know how your new camera performs
 
If you had bought the Z7, the 24–70 it would easily be an effective 24–105 with cropping.
 
Hi,

I know this is not an usual move, as the Sony is the competitor with the more similar Z 7, but this is what I have actually done.

I struggled for a few days with Nikon Z6, mainly with autofocus.

In normal incandescent light, shooting video of Kids singing for Christmas, the focus tracking struggled to keep up with a locked subject, showing a few in and out of focus moments; very brief , but enough to make the video unusable.

I had to re-shoot the scene, and use manual focus, and a smaller aperture, where I was sure all the scene will be in focus.... This was a first and huge disappointment with the cam. I was paid to shoot ...

What I noticed then, doing some testing, that the low light AF in AF-S mode to be much inferior in speed to my D750 matted with the 24-120mm (kit lens on Z6). It seems to take a tad longer to lock under similar lighting conditions.

The other thing is the lens selection... I hate the adapter, and I really bought into the mirror-less as I wanted a more compact and still capable system like my D810, as I want to carry a camera with me anywhere I go.

Then is the resolution. I know for most people 24mpix is plenty, but coming from a D810 I really missed those big clean 36 mpix files. Plenty to crop, and no need to worry I don't have enough mpix if I need to take half of picture out (this is my lack of framing skills).

I know, I know, I should have gone Z7, and I almost clicked on "confirm order in my basket with a Z7 kit. But then I went back to look at my most used focal ranges, and apertures. And what I shot with the pics that sold more.

...I really really liked the 24-105mm focal range on Canon ( I am old. I owned many systems in my life, including at least 7 Canon bodies)., and 24-120mm on Nikon. And then I really wanted a small system for travel, something like the voigtlander 40mm /2 on my D750. For now, the Z system does not give us that.

So I returned my Z6 and ordered a A7RIII with the 24-105mm F/4 lens. I will see how this go and report my findings. I have a remorse now to be honest returning my Z6, but it was not the jack of all trades I was after.

The Sony A7 with a 35mm /2.8 Zeiss lens which has great reviews could be my best travel combo... Time will tell.
I hate to say it, but your going to kick yourself...you should have spent some time learning the video AF as the Z6 is currently the champ for both AF and IBIS in video.

Take a look at this video comparison, the guy has also done comparisons between the Z7 and the A7RIII and also the EOS R.

 
 
Hi,

I know this is not an usual move, as the Sony is the competitor with the more similar Z 7, but this is what I have actually done.

I struggled for a few days with Nikon Z6, mainly with autofocus.

In normal incandescent light, shooting video of Kids singing for Christmas, the focus tracking struggled to keep up with a locked subject, showing a few in and out of focus moments; very brief , but enough to make the video unusable.

I had to re-shoot the scene, and use manual focus, and a smaller aperture, where I was sure all the scene will be in focus.... This was a first and huge disappointment with the cam. I was paid to shoot ...

What I noticed then, doing some testing, that the low light AF in AF-S mode to be much inferior in speed to my D750 matted with the 24-120mm (kit lens on Z6). It seems to take a tad longer to lock under similar lighting conditions.

The other thing is the lens selection... I hate the adapter, and I really bought into the mirror-less as I wanted a more compact and still capable system like my D810, as I want to carry a camera with me anywhere I go.

Then is the resolution. I know for most people 24mpix is plenty, but coming from a D810 I really missed those big clean 36 mpix files. Plenty to crop, and no need to worry I don't have enough mpix if I need to take half of picture out (this is my lack of framing skills).

I know, I know, I should have gone Z7, and I almost clicked on "confirm order in my basket with a Z7 kit. But then I went back to look at my most used focal ranges, and apertures. And what I shot with the pics that sold more.

...I really really liked the 24-105mm focal range on Canon ( I am old. I owned many systems in my life, including at least 7 Canon bodies)., and 24-120mm on Nikon. And then I really wanted a small system for travel, something like the voigtlander 40mm /2 on my D750. For now, the Z system does not give us that.

So I returned my Z6 and ordered a A7RIII with the 24-105mm F/4 lens. I will see how this go and report my findings. I have a remorse now to be honest returning my Z6, but it was not the jack of all trades I was after.

The Sony A7 with a 35mm /2.8 Zeiss lens which has great reviews could be my best travel combo... Time will tell.
I hate to say it, but your going to kick yourself...you should have spent some time learning the video AF as the Z6 is currently the champ for both AF and IBIS in video.

Take a look at this video comparison, the guy has also done comparisons between the Z7 and the A7RIII and also the EOS R.

Thanks, nice video, clearly Z6 is better. The A7III was never under consideration, was either the Z 7 or A7RIII... Wanted more mpixels also.

Video is only maybe 5% of what I do... I can live with manual focus, I am old school :)

Honestly, I thought technology is there to rely on it, and it is in most situations, just not in all of them...

Cheers
 
Hi,

I know this is not an usual move, as the Sony is the competitor with the more similar Z 7, but this is what I have actually done.

I struggled for a few days with Nikon Z6, mainly with autofocus.

In normal incandescent light, shooting video of Kids singing for Christmas, the focus tracking struggled to keep up with a locked subject, showing a few in and out of focus moments; very brief , but enough to make the video unusable.

I had to re-shoot the scene, and use manual focus, and a smaller aperture, where I was sure all the scene will be in focus.... This was a first and huge disappointment with the cam. I was paid to shoot ...

What I noticed then, doing some testing, that the low light AF in AF-S mode to be much inferior in speed to my D750 matted with the 24-120mm (kit lens on Z6). It seems to take a tad longer to lock under similar lighting conditions.

The other thing is the lens selection... I hate the adapter, and I really bought into the mirror-less as I wanted a more compact and still capable system like my D810, as I want to carry a camera with me anywhere I go.

Then is the resolution. I know for most people 24mpix is plenty, but coming from a D810 I really missed those big clean 36 mpix files. Plenty to crop, and no need to worry I don't have enough mpix if I need to take half of picture out (this is my lack of framing skills).

I know, I know, I should have gone Z7, and I almost clicked on "confirm order in my basket with a Z7 kit. But then I went back to look at my most used focal ranges, and apertures. And what I shot with the pics that sold more.

...I really really liked the 24-105mm focal range on Canon ( I am old. I owned many systems in my life, including at least 7 Canon bodies)., and 24-120mm on Nikon. And then I really wanted a small system for travel, something like the voigtlander 40mm /2 on my D750. For now, the Z system does not give us that.

So I returned my Z6 and ordered a A7RIII with the 24-105mm F/4 lens. I will see how this go and report my findings. I have a remorse now to be honest returning my Z6, but it was not the jack of all trades I was after.

The Sony A7 with a 35mm /2.8 Zeiss lens which has great reviews could be my best travel combo... Time will tell.
I hate to say it, but your going to kick yourself...you should have spent some time learning the video AF as the Z6 is currently the champ for both AF and IBIS in video.

Take a look at this video comparison, the guy has also done comparisons between the Z7 and the A7RIII and also the EOS R.

Thanks, nice video, clearly Z6 is better. The A7III was never under consideration, was either the Z 7 or A7RIII... Wanted more mpixels also.

Video is only maybe 5% of what I do... I can live with manual focus, I am old school :)

Honestly, I thought technology is there to rely on it, and it is in most situations, just not in all of them...

Cheers
He also has one with the A7RIII. Either way, I wish you good light!
 
Hi,

I know this is not an usual move, as the Sony is the competitor with the more similar Z 7, but this is what I have actually done.

I struggled for a few days with Nikon Z6, mainly with autofocus.

In normal incandescent light, shooting video of Kids singing for Christmas, the focus tracking struggled to keep up with a locked subject, showing a few in and out of focus moments; very brief , but enough to make the video unusable.

I had to re-shoot the scene, and use manual focus, and a smaller aperture, where I was sure all the scene will be in focus.... This was a first and huge disappointment with the cam. I was paid to shoot ...

What I noticed then, doing some testing, that the low light AF in AF-S mode to be much inferior in speed to my D750 matted with the 24-120mm (kit lens on Z6). It seems to take a tad longer to lock under similar lighting conditions.

The other thing is the lens selection... I hate the adapter, and I really bought into the mirror-less as I wanted a more compact and still capable system like my D810, as I want to carry a camera with me anywhere I go.

Then is the resolution. I know for most people 24mpix is plenty, but coming from a D810 I really missed those big clean 36 mpix files. Plenty to crop, and no need to worry I don't have enough mpix if I need to take half of picture out (this is my lack of framing skills).

I know, I know, I should have gone Z7, and I almost clicked on "confirm order in my basket with a Z7 kit. But then I went back to look at my most used focal ranges, and apertures. And what I shot with the pics that sold more.

...I really really liked the 24-105mm focal range on Canon ( I am old. I owned many systems in my life, including at least 7 Canon bodies)., and 24-120mm on Nikon. And then I really wanted a small system for travel, something like the voigtlander 40mm /2 on my D750. For now, the Z system does not give us that.

So I returned my Z6 and ordered a A7RIII with the 24-105mm F/4 lens. I will see how this go and report my findings. I have a remorse now to be honest returning my Z6, but it was not the jack of all trades I was after.

The Sony A7 with a 35mm /2.8 Zeiss lens which has great reviews could be my best travel combo... Time will tell.
I hate to say it, but your going to kick yourself...you should have spent some time learning the video AF as the Z6 is currently the champ for both AF and IBIS in video.

Take a look at this video comparison, the guy has also done comparisons between the Z7 and the A7RIII and also the EOS R.

Thanks, nice video, clearly Z6 is better. The A7III was never under consideration, was either the Z 7 or A7RIII... Wanted more mpixels also.

Video is only maybe 5% of what I do... I can live with manual focus, I am old school :)

Honestly, I thought technology is there to rely on it, and it is in most situations, just not in all of them...

Cheers
Honestly, cameras are like life partners, all have pros and cons. I don't think just spending a week or two with it will do any justice. The d8xx are hard to beat in the image department, having coming from d800 I totally agree with you on that. On the other hand, more people are seeing and enjoying my photos as I could pretty much share my photos on the spot using snap bridge and light room cc mobile. Z7 or other higher res cameras might be more cumbersome due to much larger size.
 
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Having just sold my A7R3 in favor of keeping my Z7, if you’re having challenges with the Z6, I’m afraid to say that you may have the same challenges with the A7iii.

Both are great cameras but I found af performance in AF-S to be about equal in real world shooting
 
I understand where you are coming from. I am using the Z6 and have not had so many out of focus photos since my early days with the Nikon D7000. I suspect that some of this is due to my unfamiliarity with the new mirrorless focus system, and some is due to an immature and unready camera focusing system -- particularly the AF-C modes. But I reviewed my photos and noticed that the AF-S modes were not particularly stellar either. Also, the inability to use my older screw and D lenses is a huge drawback. Control dial ergonomics can be improved a bit also. This is no Nikon D850 -- really, not even close in some ways.

What I do like about the Z6 is the compactness and lower weight of the camera, the in camera VR (IBIS), great low light photo capabilities, and a very nice and helpful and informative viewfinder (bright and clear!!!). The camera is fun to use.

So the camera overall is a mixed bag. But, bottom-line, having a camera that does not focus particularly well is irritating the heck out of me and ruining the new mirrorless camera/tech experience to a rather large degree.

Please let us know how the Sony works out for you. For me, I would not really consider the Sony as it did not feel all that good in my hands, and I already have a bunch of Nikon lenses. However, for the time being, the Sony may provide a more mature mirrorless technology since it has been out a few years.
 
I understand where you are coming from. I am using the Z6 and have not had so many out of focus photos since my early days with the Nikon D7000. I suspect that some of this is due to my unfamiliarity with the new mirrorless focus system, and some is due to an immature and unready camera focusing system -- particularly the AF-C modes. But I reviewed my photos and noticed that the AF-S modes were not particularly stellar either. Also, the inability to use my older screw and D lenses is a huge drawback. Control dial ergonomics can be improved a bit also. This is no Nikon D850 -- really, not even close in some ways.

What I do like about the Z6 is the compactness and lower weight of the camera, the in camera VR (IBIS), great low light photo capabilities, and a very nice and helpful and informative viewfinder (bright and clear!!!). The camera is fun to use.

So the camera overall is a mixed bag. But, bottom-line, having a camera that does not focus particularly well is irritating the heck out of me and ruining the new mirrorless camera/tech experience to a rather large degree.

Please let us know how the Sony works out for you. For me, I would not really consider the Sony as it did not feel all that good in my hands, and I already have a bunch of Nikon lenses. However, for the time being, the Sony may provide a more mature mirrorless technology since it has been out a few years.
Not negating your issues, but this has been the complete opposite experience to mine.

Can I ask you a few questions?

Are you using adapted or native lenses, are they Nikon?

Also what focusing are you using? I have found that AF-S Wide S works best for me in 90% of my shooting, this is similar to the AF-group on the D850.

For moving subjects, AF-C dynamic area covers the other percentage that i need.

My keeper rate is higher than on my D810 and D750 so far.

There is a focus guide that is floating around from Nikon, I was not able to find in time to attach to this response. Maybe someone else has it and can share?

Also did you see the video between the A7III and the Z6, the Z beats it pretty handily.
 
Thank you for your reply. It is appreciated. My keeper rate on the Nikon D810 is about 85-90% (but was much lower in the beginning); the keeper rate on my D850 has always been excellent, about 90-95%. Keeper rate on my new Z6 is about 70%. I do agree with you that this is new technology, and I am still experimenting with the AF (and other) settings on a daily basis. So, hopefully things may improve. But I am concerned. I am mostly using Nikon lenses, including the holy trinity. I do have and printed out the Nikon Z AutoFocus Guide. It has been somewhat helpful. I will give it more time and see if I can improve on the current results.
 
Thank you for your reply. It is appreciated. My keeper rate on the Nikon D810 is about 85-90% (but was much lower in the beginning); the keeper rate on my D850 has always been excellent, about 90-95%. Keeper rate on my new Z6 is about 70%. I do agree with you that this is new technology, and I am still experimenting with the AF (and other) settings on a daily basis. So, hopefully things may improve. But I am concerned. I am mostly using Nikon lenses, including the holy trinity. I do have and printed out the Nikon Z AutoFocus Guide. It has been somewhat helpful. I will give it more time and see if I can improve on the current results.
Great, let us know how it goes and if you find any settings that you think may be of benefit to me or others...
 
I am dual Nikon (DLSR) -Sony shooter - I think both systems have their advantages and disadvantages.

The biggest advantage (well only advantage for me) that Nikon has is handling - the A7r3 has taken a while to warm to - I still feel the buttons are too small fiddly and the body a bit cramped for my big hands. This is greatly offset by using the excellent vertical grip, or simply adding a arca swiss L bracket or base. The menu differences are really a non issue for the most part - Sony has a favourites menu, so you can simply add your most commonly selected items to it. I find the Nikon menu system pretty confusing as well so they are roughly equivalent in terms of usability. The Sony has fantastic customisable buttons, so you can really enhance the handling by mapping things to the custom buttons.

AF wise, I cant comment on how it compares with the Z series - I can say though that based on my usage, the A7r3 is better than the D810 - the D500 is better, especially with fast glass. Comparisons are always tricky when shooting with different lenses.

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I am dual Nikon (DLSR) -Sony shooter - I think both systems have their advantages and disadvantages.

The biggest advantage (well only advantage for me) that Nikon has is handling - the A7r3 has taken a while to warm to - I still feel the buttons are too small fiddly and the body a bit cramped for my big hands. This is greatly offset by using the excellent vertical grip, or simply adding a arca swiss L bracket or base. The menu differences are really a non issue for the most part - Sony has a favourites menu, so you can simply add your most commonly selected items to it. I find the Nikon menu system pretty confusing as well so they are roughly equivalent in terms of usability. The Sony has fantastic customisable buttons, so you can really enhance the handling by mapping things to the custom buttons.

AF wise, I cant comment on how it compares with the Z series - I can say though that based on my usage, the A7r3 is better than the D810 - the D500 is better, especially with fast glass. Comparisons are always tricky when shooting with different lenses.
Thanks for your input; I am also keen to try out the new Sony system due to lenses... as I said, I want a small and light travel system, with a nice sharp prime. Something we don't have in Z mount.

Your comments are promising, as I also have the D810 and had no issue focusing with that, so if it's at least as good, I am happy. Z 6 was a bit of a mixed bag for me, stellar at times, but letting me down in lower light...

Cheers
 
I am dual Nikon (DLSR) -Sony shooter - I think both systems have their advantages and disadvantages.

The biggest advantage (well only advantage for me) that Nikon has is handling - the A7r3 has taken a while to warm to - I still feel the buttons are too small fiddly and the body a bit cramped for my big hands. This is greatly offset by using the excellent vertical grip, or simply adding a arca swiss L bracket or base. The menu differences are really a non issue for the most part - Sony has a favourites menu, so you can simply add your most commonly selected items to it. I find the Nikon menu system pretty confusing as well so they are roughly equivalent in terms of usability. The Sony has fantastic customisable buttons, so you can really enhance the handling by mapping things to the custom buttons.

AF wise, I cant comment on how it compares with the Z series - I can say though that based on my usage, the A7r3 is better than the D810 - the D500 is better, especially with fast glass. Comparisons are always tricky when shooting with different lenses.
Can you comment about Sony jpegs and color accuracy?
 
Hi,

I know this is not an usual move, as the Sony is the competitor with the more similar Z 7, but this is what I have actually done.

I struggled for a few days with Nikon Z6, mainly with autofocus.

In normal incandescent light, shooting video of Kids singing for Christmas, the focus tracking struggled to keep up with a locked subject, showing a few in and out of focus moments; very brief , but enough to make the video unusable.

I had to re-shoot the scene, and use manual focus, and a smaller aperture, where I was sure all the scene will be in focus.... This was a first and huge disappointment with the cam. I was paid to shoot ...

What I noticed then, doing some testing, that the low light AF in AF-S mode to be much inferior in speed to my D750 matted with the 24-120mm (kit lens on Z6). It seems to take a tad longer to lock under similar lighting conditions.

The other thing is the lens selection... I hate the adapter, and I really bought into the mirror-less as I wanted a more compact and still capable system like my D810, as I want to carry a camera with me anywhere I go.

Then is the resolution. I know for most people 24mpix is plenty, but coming from a D810 I really missed those big clean 36 mpix files. Plenty to crop, and no need to worry I don't have enough mpix if I need to take half of picture out (this is my lack of framing skills).

I know, I know, I should have gone Z7, and I almost clicked on "confirm order in my basket with a Z7 kit. But then I went back to look at my most used focal ranges, and apertures. And what I shot with the pics that sold more.

...I really really liked the 24-105mm focal range on Canon ( I am old. I owned many systems in my life, including at least 7 Canon bodies)., and 24-120mm on Nikon. And then I really wanted a small system for travel, something like the voigtlander 40mm /2 on my D750. For now, the Z system does not give us that.

So I returned my Z6 and ordered a A7RIII with the 24-105mm F/4 lens. I will see how this go and report my findings. I have a remorse now to be honest returning my Z6, but it was not the jack of all trades I was after.

The Sony A7 with a 35mm /2.8 Zeiss lens which has great reviews could be my best travel combo... Time will tell.
I tested D750 vs z6 low light AF - both with the 24-70 2.8G and the Z6 was able to lock focus in very low light where the D750 was not able to lock. speed was on both the same when both were able to lock focus
 
I think one difference between nikon dslrs and zs is that focus priority is more important on the mirror less, the dslrs tend to be quick to get close to perfect focus and maintain it, whereas the zs in my experience spend more time is AFc way out of focus but about the same amount of time in perfect focus.

I've had focus priority since I got the Z6 so that maybe why I haven't seen many oof shots, worth a try I think, as well as other settings like apply settings to live view
 
I dare say you won’t be happy with the Sony either if you want a Canon like experience.
 

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