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CP8000 in 1Q 2004 : 8MP 28-200 VR Full TTL !!!

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I guess that part of the move to long zooms is the same as why we are mobing towards high MP faster than higher image qual - bigger bnumbers sell more. Just ask intel !

However, id argue that MANY o the great photographers would be like fish out of water without their loong zooms and primes. (im thinking of the pro arena), but this is for few specific styles of shooting. Think nature, paparazzi (though i dont particularly like them) etc I think somewherre arouind or just above 200 would be fine on a prosumer. 280mm is nice, but given that its a bit softer, perhaps that extra 7mm at the wide end as on the minoltas would have been a good coimpromise.
robert dynowski said:
AVJsn said:
Coolpix 8000 to be announced on 1Q 2004 (PMA), highlight features :-

CCD Resolution : 8 Megapixel (i.e. the same one used by Sony 828,
plus the 4 color filter)

Lens : 28-200 VR (i.e. Vibration Reduction !) F2.8 (wide) to F3.5
(tele)

Flash hotshoe : Full TTL/D-TTL with Zoom control (1st in Coolpix !
and Nikon finally catch-up with Canon/Minolta/Olympus/Sony on this
area which is hard to understand as Nikon has long been an expert
on TTL Flash in SLR field ?!)

Body design, dimension & shape very similar to Minolta A1, but the
rear LCD can be rotate similar to the one used in CP5000 (and now
back to 1.8" instead of the 1.5" used in CP5700/5400 !)

Price : very close to the Canon 300D Kit set.
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I love my cp5k though at times its a handful to use.
Give me an 8 meg sensor,handling like the 5400,a 24 to 135,2.8
aperture throughout,manual zoom and focus and low light assist and
i would be very happy.The option to add a wide angle attachment
lens of about 19mm[:)]would be the icing on the cake.
Honestly,I dont know why people want any longer than 135.It results
in the camera having to make too many compromises re bulk,weight
and usability.How many of the great photographers routinely shot
with long telephotos or ,when available,zooms?You want to shoot
long telephoto then get an adapter.I am not trying to troll here
but the general move to long telephotos in digicams leaves me
despairing.
regards
Bob
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--
-marek

Some of my photographs can be found under the following links:
http://www.pbase.com/mkrol/
http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~okocim/photos/
 
rustedborg said:
That sounds nice ... if they can keep the size and price down. But
this sounds more like fiction than fact.

If you're right, I'll be happy to eat my words after PMA.
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I think it's very believable, as Nikon is buying all their sensors from Sony, and we are already seeing the release of the 8-megapixel, 4c RGBE CCD by Sony. The great news is that Nikon obviously see the value of the new Sony sensor ... meaning IT MUST BE GOOD in spite of it's small size. If the 8-megapixel 4c CCD is just a marketing gimmick, and noise problem is going to be worse than the older sensor used in the F717 (as so many people seem to think), do you think Nikon would be so stupid as to let their good name go down the toilet?

Nikon (and Sony, of course) knows something that we don't ... I am now more anxious than ever to get my hands on the F828!
 
Thanks. I'm surprised to see those photos. From what I've heard Sony has been very careful not to let people walk away with images even after they checked out a pre-production copy of the camera.

They looked nice, but, unfortunately, they were to small for me to get any idea as to how noisy they were. You weren't thinking of making any full-size images available were you? If not, would you mind letting me (us) know what your impression was in regard to the noise? Better or worse than 5MP cameras?

As far as specs go, the F828 is practically a dream all-in-one camera for those that want or need to travel light (much like the Coolpix metioned in this thread). The only issue is the noise. The couple of photos Sony released were pretty poor, and the sensor has a pretty small pixel pitch.

I think 'how much noise?' is the question on everyone's mind, even people that may wait for the Coolpix mentioned in this thread (if it's real).

Mike
patrick said:
mike_botelho said:
Nejat Özsu said:
P.S. i could do without the 8MP, would rather them concentrate on
higher usable ISO.
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Actually, the addition of VR accomplishes the same thing. Since
the VR should give 3 extra stops to work with, this means that
instead of takiing a shot at ISO 800 you could take the same shot
handheld at ISO 100. To me, this seems much more preferable an
option with a small, noisy sensor. Of course, improved noise
plus VR would be ideal. But, from the early examples from the
Sony F828, this doesn't look too likely (and I certainly hope this
CCD is capable of better than the couple of pics that have been
released so far).

Mike
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robert dynowski said:
I love my cp5k though at times its a handful to use.
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robert dynowski said:
Give me an 8 meg sensor,handling like the 5400,a 24 to 135,2.8
aperture throughout,manual zoom and focus and low light assist and
i would be very happy.The option to add a wide angle attachment
lens of about 19mm[:)]would be the icing on the cake.
Click to expand...
That would be nice. If the specs for this "CP8000" come true, it just doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon though, which seems strange. The 5000's wide angle capabilities are still in a class by itself, but like all other electronic digicams that camera won't last forever. The same could be said for the telephoto capabilities of the 5700. I agree that trying to mix both attributes into a single digicam would require far too many compromises and result in mediocre quality at both ends of the scale. Nikon's decision to build two seperate cameras to address such a wide range of focal lengths was brilliant and their sales of both cameras seemed to reflect that. It just seems strange to me that they appear to be abandoning the traits that made both of these two cameras stand out from the crowd by building "me too" cameras which abandon both extremes, compromising on the middle range alone.

--
Tom Young FCAS member
http://www.pbase.com/tyoung/
 
marek k said:
I guess that part of the move to long zooms is the same as why we
are mobing towards high MP faster than higher image qual - bigger
bnumbers sell more. Just ask intel !

However, id argue that MANY o the great photographers would be like
fish out of water without their loong zooms and primes. (im
thinking of the pro arena), but this is for few specific styles of
shooting. Think nature, paparazzi (though i dont particularly like
them) etc I think somewherre arouind or just above 200 would be
fine on a prosumer. 280mm is nice, but given that its a bit softer,
perhaps that extra 7mm at the wide end as on the minoltas would
have been a good coimpromise.
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Marek

I am sorry.I should have emphasised that i was thinking of the Elliot Irwins,Robert Franks,Lartigue etc etcc etc and not specialist photoraphers such as sports and nature.I want to emulate these men and women and look what they had to use!

Long reach zooms dont take most photographers into a scene or event they by and large keep them distant.Its why photography appeals to certain people-they observe rather than participate and long range zoom digicams are manna from heaven for these people.Of course we all observe but its a question of how closely we observe and those long lenses can keep us at bay,seperate.Its all very masculine and i do find it disheartening.You know,its not about the hardware.
regards
Bob
marek k said:
robert dynowski said:
AVJsn said:
Coolpix 8000 to be announced on 1Q 2004 (PMA), highlight features :-

CCD Resolution : 8 Megapixel (i.e. the same one used by Sony 828,
plus the 4 color filter)

Lens : 28-200 VR (i.e. Vibration Reduction !) F2.8 (wide) to F3.5
(tele)

Flash hotshoe : Full TTL/D-TTL with Zoom control (1st in Coolpix !
and Nikon finally catch-up with Canon/Minolta/Olympus/Sony on this
area which is hard to understand as Nikon has long been an expert
on TTL Flash in SLR field ?!)

Body design, dimension & shape very similar to Minolta A1, but the
rear LCD can be rotate similar to the one used in CP5000 (and now
back to 1.8" instead of the 1.5" used in CP5700/5400 !)

Price : very close to the Canon 300D Kit set.
Click to expand...
I love my cp5k though at times its a handful to use.
Give me an 8 meg sensor,handling like the 5400,a 24 to 135,2.8
aperture throughout,manual zoom and focus and low light assist and
i would be very happy.The option to add a wide angle attachment
lens of about 19mm[:)]would be the icing on the cake.
Honestly,I dont know why people want any longer than 135.It results
in the camera having to make too many compromises re bulk,weight
and usability.How many of the great photographers routinely shot
with long telephotos or ,when available,zooms?You want to shoot
long telephoto then get an adapter.I am not trying to troll here
but the general move to long telephotos in digicams leaves me
despairing.
regards
Bob
Click to expand...
--
-marek

Some of my photographs can be found under the following links:
http://www.pbase.com/mkrol/
http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~okocim/photos/
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Tom

I agree.If the original poster is correct it seems the way Nikon digicam development is going we will all end up lugging around one oversised camera with a medium wideangle to long telephoto lens.And/or be carrying around a small auto digi from one of the samller companies.Perhaps one will rise to fill the void.If so i would like me dream camera as above in black and so small as to be unobtrusive.With full manual metering modes,spot etc.
regards
Bob
tyoung said:
robert dynowski said:
I love my cp5k though at times its a handful to use.
Click to expand...
tyoung said:
Give me an 8 meg sensor,handling like the 5400,a 24 to 135,2.8
aperture throughout,manual zoom and focus and low light assist and
i would be very happy.The option to add a wide angle attachment
lens of about 19mm[:)]would be the icing on the cake.
Click to expand...
That would be nice. If the specs for this "CP8000" come true, it
just doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon though,
which seems strange. The 5000's wide angle capabilities are still
in a class by itself, but like all other electronic digicams that
camera won't last forever. The same could be said for the
telephoto capabilities of the 5700. I agree that trying to mix
both attributes into a single digicam would require far too many
compromises and result in mediocre quality at both ends of the
scale. Nikon's decision to build two seperate cameras to address
such a wide range of focal lengths was brilliant and their sales of
both cameras seemed to reflect that. It just seems strange to me
that they appear to be abandoning the traits that made both of
these two cameras stand out from the crowd by building "me too"
cameras which abandon both extremes, compromising on the middle
range alone.

--
Tom Young FCAS member
http://www.pbase.com/tyoung/
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The weapon of choice of street photographers used to be an ultrawide - somewhere around 20mm I think. (for guys like Kuodelka etc.) Shooting with silent Leicas too. Not sure what the case is now. I was just making the point that you have now cleared up - some pros use a lot of long lenses too. Anyway, at the end of the day, its a tool. use the right lens for the right job. Whatever that may be.
robert dynowski said:
robert dynowski said:
robert dynowski said:
AVJsn said:
Coolpix 8000 to be announced on 1Q 2004 (PMA), highlight features :-

CCD Resolution : 8 Megapixel (i.e. the same one used by Sony 828,
plus the 4 color filter)

Lens : 28-200 VR (i.e. Vibration Reduction !) F2.8 (wide) to F3.5
(tele)

Flash hotshoe : Full TTL/D-TTL with Zoom control (1st in Coolpix !
and Nikon finally catch-up with Canon/Minolta/Olympus/Sony on this
area which is hard to understand as Nikon has long been an expert
on TTL Flash in SLR field ?!)

Body design, dimension & shape very similar to Minolta A1, but the
rear LCD can be rotate similar to the one used in CP5000 (and now
back to 1.8" instead of the 1.5" used in CP5700/5400 !)

Price : very close to the Canon 300D Kit set.
Click to expand...
I love my cp5k though at times its a handful to use.
Give me an 8 meg sensor,handling like the 5400,a 24 to 135,2.8
aperture throughout,manual zoom and focus and low light assist and
i would be very happy.The option to add a wide angle attachment
lens of about 19mm[:)]would be the icing on the cake.
Honestly,I dont know why people want any longer than 135.It results
in the camera having to make too many compromises re bulk,weight
and usability.How many of the great photographers routinely shot
with long telephotos or ,when available,zooms?You want to shoot
long telephoto then get an adapter.I am not trying to troll here
but the general move to long telephotos in digicams leaves me
despairing.
regards
Bob
Click to expand...
--
-marek

Some of my photographs can be found under the following links:
http://www.pbase.com/mkrol/
http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~okocim/photos/
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
-marek

Some of my photographs can be found under the following links:
http://www.pbase.com/mkrol/
http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~okocim/photos/
 
Robert,

one thing I would add that I didnt mention in my original reply to you. For this market there isnt much demand for lenses wider than 28mm. Id say that the sort of people on here, who are quasi-serious about their photography are in the minority on percentages. hence whats the point for nikon or canon to put 24mm or less on these cams? Would be nice for us but would it sell?
robert dynowski said:
tyoung said:
robert dynowski said:
I love my cp5k though at times its a handful to use.
Click to expand...
robert dynowski said:
Give me an 8 meg sensor,handling like the 5400,a 24 to 135,2.8
aperture throughout,manual zoom and focus and low light assist and
i would be very happy.The option to add a wide angle attachment
lens of about 19mm[:)]would be the icing on the cake.
Click to expand...
That would be nice. If the specs for this "CP8000" come true, it
just doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon though,
which seems strange. The 5000's wide angle capabilities are still
in a class by itself, but like all other electronic digicams that
camera won't last forever. The same could be said for the
telephoto capabilities of the 5700. I agree that trying to mix
both attributes into a single digicam would require far too many
compromises and result in mediocre quality at both ends of the
scale. Nikon's decision to build two seperate cameras to address
such a wide range of focal lengths was brilliant and their sales of
both cameras seemed to reflect that. It just seems strange to me
that they appear to be abandoning the traits that made both of
these two cameras stand out from the crowd by building "me too"
cameras which abandon both extremes, compromising on the middle
range alone.

--
Tom Young FCAS member
http://www.pbase.com/tyoung/
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
-marek

Some of my photographs can be found under the following links:
http://www.pbase.com/mkrol/
http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~okocim/photos/
 
After AVJsn started this "priviledged" info post from Hong Kong, -- he has disappeared...

Karl
Jogger said:
AVJsn said:
Coolpix 8000 to be announced on 1Q 2004 (PMA), highlight features :-

CCD Resolution : 8 Megapixel (i.e. the same one used by Sony 828,
plus the 4 color filter)

Lens : 28-200 VR (i.e. Vibration Reduction !) F2.8 (wide) to F3.5
(tele)

Flash hotshoe : Full TTL/D-TTL with Zoom control (1st in Coolpix !
and Nikon finally catch-up with Canon/Minolta/Olympus/Sony on this
area which is hard to understand as Nikon has long been an expert
on TTL Flash in SLR field ?!)

Body design, dimension & shape very similar to Minolta A1, but the
rear LCD can be rotate similar to the one used in CP5000 (and now
back to 1.8" instead of the 1.5" used in CP5700/5400 !)

Price : very close to the Canon 300D Kit set.
Click to expand...
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Sotare said:
maybe just a fake info this from AV
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Yep, another guy who is dreaming. Imho Nikon has to do better than producing a new camera over 3-6 months that is comparable with the (current!) competition. As I said before, Nikon is not capable of keeping up with the competition. Despite all the known problems (low light, no full flash support) they keep throwing camera's at us that are below the expected quality (i.e. coolpix 5400, coolpix 4500, coolpix 3500 etc...). If you have to pay more to get less... The latest DSLR may be very fast, but is for other subject rather useless since it lacks a good resolution. And yes resolution is more important than a good extrapolation algorithm.
 
AVJsn said:
Coolpix 8000 to be announced on 1Q 2004 (PMA), highlight features :-

CCD Resolution : 8 Megapixel (i.e. the same one used by Sony 828,
plus the 4 color filter)

Lens : 28-200 VR (i.e. Vibration Reduction !) F2.8 (wide) to F3.5
(tele)

Flash hotshoe : Full TTL/D-TTL with Zoom control (1st in Coolpix !
and Nikon finally catch-up with Canon/Minolta/Olympus/Sony on this
area which is hard to understand as Nikon has long been an expert
on TTL Flash in SLR field ?!)

Body design, dimension & shape very similar to Minolta A1, but the
rear LCD can be rotate similar to the one used in CP5000 (and now
back to 1.8" instead of the 1.5" used in CP5700/5400 !)

Price : very close to the Canon 300D Kit set.
Click to expand...
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JarekN
 
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