The new top of the line model, PX-G900, looks the most interesting. It uses the new PX-G 8-color ink set -- C M Y+2 blacks (either photo or matt black) + Red + Blue + Gross Optimizer. Yes, Light yellow and light magenta and light gray are history. The Gross Optimizer permits high-gloss output on glossy photo paper -- previously generation of PX ink (now known as PX-P ink) was limited to semi-gloss output. The quoted longevity is 80 (!!!) years compared to 45.
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More info on new Epson PX printer and ink
- Thread starter C.K. Tse
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Sounds great. Sure hope they release a 13"x19" version soon.
More information on the inks.
Epson is branding its 4 different ink offerings as 'tsuyo ink' (literally strong ink)
ozone-resistance: PX-G 30yr PX-V 30yr PX-P 30yr PM-G 10yr
light-resistance: PX-G 80yr PX-V 45yr PX-P 45yr PM-G 20yr
water-resistance: PX-G yes PX-V yes PX-P yes PM-G same as other dye-based inks (i.e. not much!)
Compatibility data:
PX-G: PX-G900 (Oct 3 in Japan)
PX-V: PX-V600 (Oct 3 in Japan)
PX-P: PM-4000PX (current model, a.k.a. Epson 2200/2000)
PM-G: PM-G800, PM-G700 (Oct 3 in Japan) and PM-A850, PM-D750 (10/17)
Epson is branding its 4 different ink offerings as 'tsuyo ink' (literally strong ink)
- PX-G is the new pigment ink, CMY photo K/matt K, Red, Blue, Gross Optimizer (grossy photo paper OK!) 1.5 pico liter droplet size.
- PX-P is the re-branding of the existing PX ink set for PM-4000PX (or 2200/2000 depending on where you are in the world)
- PX-V is also a re-branding of the existing PX ink set for plain paper
- PM-G replaces the current top of the line dye-based ink, basically increases its longevity (see below) Also 1.5 pico liter droplet size.
ozone-resistance: PX-G 30yr PX-V 30yr PX-P 30yr PM-G 10yr
light-resistance: PX-G 80yr PX-V 45yr PX-P 45yr PM-G 20yr
water-resistance: PX-G yes PX-V yes PX-P yes PM-G same as other dye-based inks (i.e. not much!)
Compatibility data:
PX-G: PX-G900 (Oct 3 in Japan)
PX-V: PX-V600 (Oct 3 in Japan)
PX-P: PM-4000PX (current model, a.k.a. Epson 2200/2000)
PM-G: PM-G800, PM-G700 (Oct 3 in Japan) and PM-A850, PM-D750 (10/17)
Bob Harneit
Forum Enthusiast
Digital Camera .Jp is reporting the ICR33 cartridge as lead-lead and the ICBL33 as light black.
I am quite positive. It's right there on the epson jp web site.
Photosimon
Member
Wonder if this is a retrograde step for people wanting to print black and white - HP now have 3 shades of black :-/
Carl Schofield
Veteran Member
Which of these new ink sets will be used in the upcoming 17" Epson 4000 printer?
Bob Snow
Forum Enthusiast
C.K.:
Thanks so much for the translation. Sounds extremely interesting!!
I am also wondering where the new A2 printer fits into the scheme of things in the inks you detailed in the later message.
Thanks again for sharing...
bob snow
Thanks so much for the translation. Sounds extremely interesting!!
I am also wondering where the new A2 printer fits into the scheme of things in the inks you detailed in the later message.
Thanks again for sharing...
bob snow
Ira Blumberg
Senior Member
As it seems to indicate that Epson is giving up on Ultrachrome inks after just 1 year.
I spent $700 on a printing technology that I thought would be Epson's flagship for at least several years. I expected Epson to do further development to fix bronzing and dull looking output on glossy paper. This suggests that no further development on Ultrachome is likely.
Dang,
Ira
I spent $700 on a printing technology that I thought would be Epson's flagship for at least several years. I expected Epson to do further development to fix bronzing and dull looking output on glossy paper. This suggests that no further development on Ultrachome is likely.
Dang,
Ira
Photosimon
Member
Well the article on the new Epson Stylus Photo 4000 indicates that that printer is still using them - it made no mention of new ink formulations
Another birder
Veteran Member
Any idea if they will boost the speed? I would love the new Epsons to at least be in the same ball park as the Canon's.
Bob Harneit
Forum Enthusiast
I've been using the now discontinued PM970C which is a 7 cartridge dye ink printer that has IEEE1394 and USB 2.I connect using the firewire option.My 8x10's take about a minute to print on PGPP at the max 2880x2880dpi setting.The PX G900 has the same two port options but the max is 2880x1440dpi.It should be equally as fast.I use Qimage,a Canon D60 and PS 7.01 with RAW plugin.
Here are the official stats from the Epson jp website. The new flagship A4 printer, PX-G900, using the PX-G ink set, glossy photo paper, default high quality settings, A4(20.3×25.4cm) takes 1'06". On the other hand, the existing PM-4000PX (a.k.a. Epson 2200/2000) takes 6'14" for an A3(28.9×36.1cm) size print, default high quality settings, on MC glossy paper using PX-P ink set (i.e. the current Ultrachrome inks). As you can tell, this is not a direct comparison but it does looks faster.
To clarify, based on what's on the website, the current model PM-4000PX (a.k.a 2200/2000) together with the current PX(-P) ink set (a.k.a. Ultrachrome) will still be supported. The PX-G900 does not directly replace the PM-4000PX -- no A3 printer using the new PX-G ink set has been announced, yet.
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Donald Cooper
Guest
Does anyone besides me think that Epson is spinning out of control with all these different ink sets? Advancing the ball is good but it's difficult to manage all these different ink sets.
Canon is really doing well by having one ink set for the last three or four years -- they're even in the same size cartridges. From the end users point of view this is great -- you're almost guaranteed that you can get every color ink just about anywhere. And from the production side what you print this year looks more or what you printed last year.
On the Epson side all these different inks are a pain because what printed one way last year now prints slightly different with the new inks. And you now have this increasing inventory problem -- three different sets of pigment inks in different sizes. Oh my ........
Canon is really doing well by having one ink set for the last three or four years -- they're even in the same size cartridges. From the end users point of view this is great -- you're almost guaranteed that you can get every color ink just about anywhere. And from the production side what you print this year looks more or what you printed last year.
On the Epson side all these different inks are a pain because what printed one way last year now prints slightly different with the new inks. And you now have this increasing inventory problem -- three different sets of pigment inks in different sizes. Oh my ........
Tricia
Veteran Member
Epson has always pretty much done this. Right now, I have cartridges for the 800, 870, and 2200 - and all are different. As long as the newer inks are better than the older ones, I don't think most people will complain. I agree that some of the people with older printers may eventually have to get their inks online - but I do that anyway.
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Tricia
Minolta Dimage D7(UG), Epson 2200, PS7, Qimage
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Donald Cooper
Guest
But with the 800 and 870 we're only talking TWO cartridges: a black and a color. Now we're talking 4, 6, or 7. Just strikes me as a bit of a nightmare for stocking purposes -- for the store but eventually for users.
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