Thanks for the info, glad to know mines not defective, but it’s a terrible design decision by Nikon.
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Z6 Power off resets my settings - HELP!
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This is clearly the way you would like it to be, but it really makes sense for it to be just as it is. Think about it, if you make one or more changes to a User Mode (while you're in the User Mode) and then you don't go back to it during the same shooting session (or same day) you'll probably forget what changes you made and you'd have to go searching to undo whatever you did in the last session.
I hope I made that clear but it seems that you would spend too much time undoing settings. For example, I remember what's in my U1 based on what I set-up in the menu but I don't remember what changes I made to that setting 3 days ago while in U1.
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michaeladawson
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The additional changes we're talking about aren't permanent. They are non-volatile in the event you that you turn the camera off and then back on again. But they aren't permanently saved. If you turn to U2 and then back to U1 you will now have your saved U1 configuration back again.
I don't use the U1 to U3 settings yet. But I can appreciate how for some it would be very annoying to accidentally (or intentionally) turn the camera off and then have lost the setting changes one made during a shooting session.
I can understand how for you the User settings banks work the way you want them to. However, for me it would not be much effort to simply switch the setting bank and then back again to ensure that I'm at my saved configuration. That is what the OP was expecting because that's how it used to work.
That's the thing. The OP doesn't want them permanent, only temporary during a session. But not to lose them because the camera was turned off for a minute.
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Not at all. To undo any changes you made you simply switch into a different user mode and then back again. You don't have to remember anything about what to undo.
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Since the light or lens attached may have changed, I’d prefer aperture and shutter speed to remain at values selected before turning camera off. But that is not how U1-3 are implemented, and we must be aware of it, like it or not.
j_photo
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It's been a while since I had a body with U modes and I have yet to implement them on my z6. I do recall the behavior you are looking for and it was definitely a convenience to have.
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Yes, of course that's true but isn't what the OP wants is that any changes he makes while in User mode to be saved anytime he turns the camera back on (regardless of whether he switched modes)? If I misunderstood, I apologize.
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No, the preferred design would be for any on-the-fly changes to be preserved during power off. If I want to return to base Ux settings I’d turn to a different Ux and then back and it would revert to baseline Ux saved settings.
This is how all previous Nikons have worked and it’s very useful and functional when shooting in the same room/environment for extended periods, once I get my settings dialed in I need to turn off the camera and turn it back on literally hundreds of times throughout a wedding day and need to be back on my dialed in settings within a 1 second timeframe or I will loose shots.
Because during a wedding day, I’d need 20-30 different Ux banks to hold all the possible setting combinations I’ll encounter and saving and reverting isn’t feasible or practical at all from a time standpoint.
ISO, SS, aperture, WB and focus areas are being changed all the time during the day, these key settings are ones that absolutely must be retained when powering back on, without having to save to Ux bank every time.
michaeladawson
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No, I don't think so. The OP has a user bank the he selects. e.g. U1. Let's say U1 is set up for all the settings he uses when he shoots weddings. He shoots the wedding and along the way he changes the shutter speed or aperture or ISO for some room he's shooting in. He turns the camera off between shots to save battery power. Oops... he just lost his recent changes.
In previous Nikon cameras when you turned the camera back on you still had your U1 settings PLUS any changes you may have made since setting the camera to U1.
Next week, or maybe even during the same wedding, he decides to go back to his U1 settings. He simply changes the camera to U2 then back to U1.
But the Z doesn't work that way apparently.
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OK, that makes sense. The OP says he shoots manual so he'll have to shoot M mode (not User modes) to accomplish what he wants.
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I agree for the most part.
I think what he has to do is set the camera to U1 to get all his wedding set up dialed in first. Who knows what else he may have used the camera for between weddings.
Then he has to turn the camera off and change the mode setting to M. He can't leave the camera turned on while doing this as he might dial through U2 or U3 first and then lose his preferred settings again. (Not sure what Auto and P would do)
When the camera is turned back on it should have all the U1 settings in place. Now he can make changes and they will not be erased when the camera is turned off.
The OP won't like this option but it's the only workaround I can see at the moment.
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Yes I understand. Would be nice if Nikon had an option to have the camera behave either way due to the fact that the older cameras worked this way and many people are used to it.
While I can see the need for the older method, I honestly prefer it the way it is. If I have set up a U position, I have done so because it contains settings that I always want to revert to when doing something specific. If on the fly I changed some of those settings and I had to reset the camera every time when I was done, I probably wouldn't bother using the U positions at all.
Understanding that others look at this differently though, I'd say it might be nice if Nikon gave the option to set the camera up to behave which way the user prefers. Or perhaps allow two of the U positions to act one way and the third to act the other way.
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You can store M mode as part of a user mode, can't you?
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I agree that the previous implementation was overall better, you could keep adjustments and always switch back to original U settings when needed, the only benefit of the new way is if you change your settings and forget, then use the camera later and end up with the adjusted settings not the saved ones because you forgot.
Hopefully this can be changed in firmware, possibly with the option to reset to default settings if the camera isn't switched on for a few hours.
Hopefully this can be changed in firmware, possibly with the option to reset to default settings if the camera isn't switched on for a few hours.
Based on how the Z retains the modified Ux settings if you only leave power off for a few seconds (thanks j_photo), it occurred to me that the Z's failure to retain modified settings is related to the Z's OFF being completely off, whereas Nikon's DSLRs retain some power even when turned off, ie the top LCD screen, and possibly use that low-power state to retain volatile ram settings that would otherwise be lost.
So I thought - what if you let the Z go into standby mode instead of turning it off. And voilà, it works! In standby mode the Z retains the modified Ux settings. Even after sitting in standby for 10 minutes it stilled retained the settings. I assume it'll retain it for much longer, provided the camera doesn't enter a deeper sleep mode after some amount of time. And it looks like standby is easy on the battery - SrMi tested the discharge on his fully-charged Z7 and it was still 100% after two hours.
The fact the Z retains the Ux settings in standby is likely a deliberate decision by Nikon, because there are other settings that do revert in standby, such as the self timer. So it appears in this case the non-retention of the settings when the camera is OFF is simply a power-saving decision rather than a change in how Nikon handles Ux setting modifications on the Z vs previous bodies.
What's interesting is even if I pull the battery out of my D7200 it still retains the modified Ux settings, so I assume the DSLRs are actually saving the settings to non-volatile ram (ie, relying on the clock battery).
Btw, when using this workaround keep in mind the power-off standby timer (c3) is one of the settings retained in Ux, so whatever standby timer value you want be sure to save it for all the Ux settings you're planning to use, in addition to the global value for non-Ux dial positions such as P/A/S/M.
So I thought - what if you let the Z go into standby mode instead of turning it off. And voilà, it works! In standby mode the Z retains the modified Ux settings. Even after sitting in standby for 10 minutes it stilled retained the settings. I assume it'll retain it for much longer, provided the camera doesn't enter a deeper sleep mode after some amount of time. And it looks like standby is easy on the battery - SrMi tested the discharge on his fully-charged Z7 and it was still 100% after two hours.
The fact the Z retains the Ux settings in standby is likely a deliberate decision by Nikon, because there are other settings that do revert in standby, such as the self timer. So it appears in this case the non-retention of the settings when the camera is OFF is simply a power-saving decision rather than a change in how Nikon handles Ux setting modifications on the Z vs previous bodies.
What's interesting is even if I pull the battery out of my D7200 it still retains the modified Ux settings, so I assume the DSLRs are actually saving the settings to non-volatile ram (ie, relying on the clock battery).
Btw, when using this workaround keep in mind the power-off standby timer (c3) is one of the settings retained in Ux, so whatever standby timer value you want be sure to save it for all the Ux settings you're planning to use, in addition to the global value for non-Ux dial positions such as P/A/S/M.
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michaeladawson
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That's not the point or the solution to the OP's issue.
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