Mirror Less Vs DSLR Camera

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

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The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

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There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

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With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

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Wrong again ... most ML are currently (much) faster than dSLR's. (< 50-100ms for ML vs 100-300ms for dSLR)

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

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There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

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This just isn't true.

The fastest single AF times have been held by mirrorless cameras for a long time.

The only part of AF that DSLRs are still better, and not by much is in continuous tracking AF, and most amateurs would never notice the difference.

TEdolph

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Focus tracking matters if, for example, you want the subject of your photograph to be in focus.

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But focus "accuracy" also matters, and CD-AF has always been more accurate than PD-AF, (and also does not need "calibration").

I had my 5yo design at a recent FUJI demonstration, (of their newest line by a Fuji rep).

HE had to ADMIT that my FZ was faster than any of his Fuji line he was demonstrating.

QUESTION ... what is the cheapest Nikon or Canon that has "predictive" AF, (which I suggest is essential for true "tracking" accuracy) ??? D3xxx, 5xxx, 7xxx ???

The FZ's have it, (w/ DFD-AF), @ <$500.

Photo comparison. Upper left photo is the Panasonic FZ80. 1/2-inch sensor. The 3200 refers to ISO 3200, meaning this was a low light photo. $299 camera new. Upper right photo is the Panasonic FZ1000 bridge camera. This means the lens is built in to the camera (non-removable) and can be used for close distance and long range photo taking. $423 camera new. 1-inch sensor. Rather obvious difference in image quality from the 1/2-inch sensor and the 1-inch sensor camera. Clearly, spending $423 versus $299 gets you an easily observable difference in image quality, when taking a photo under low light conditions. So, the lower left photo is the Fuji XT100. $499 camera new. The Fuji XT100 is the next size up in camera sensor size, the APSC sensor size. Compare the Fuji XT100 photo versus the Panasonic FZ1000 photo. A $423 camera versus a $499 camera. Which picture do you prefer? Goto the camera store and hold the FZ1000 versus the XT100. Which camera feels more comfortable in your hands? Play with the camera menu and see which camera menu is easier for you to figure out, which menu system is more intuitive, makes more sense to you. Can you reach the buttons on the FZ1000 easier? Can you reach the buttons easier on the XT100? Some camera button positions will feel more natural to you. Other camera buttons will not get along with you. Some cameras will feel just "right" in your hands....or "more right".

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

This just isn't true.

The fastest single AF times have been held by mirrorless cameras for a long time.

The only part of AF that DSLRs are still better, and not by much is in continuous tracking AF, and most amateurs would never notice the difference.

TEdolph

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Focus tracking matters if, for example, you want the subject of your photograph to be in focus.

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Come on Marshall, you are just being argumentative.

You know that subject tracking is not binary. It's not as if an EM1 MarkII can not track a moving subject. It is a matter of degree compared to, say a Nikon d750. They can both track moving subjects, one is better than the other by degree, that is all.

As for single AF, the Oly will beat the pants off the Nikon in both speed and accuracy.

Tedolph

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I’m not being argumentative, I’m simply pointing out how it is. My DSLR has class-leading DPAF LiveView autofocus, but it’s about half as fast as ViewFinder AF.

If I’m shooting something that isn’t moving, I don’t need high speed focus, cause it’s not moving! I’ll put my camera on a tripod and use magnified LiveView to set a perfect Manual focus. But if it’s a butterfly, hummingbird, baseball player, musician... then focus speed and tracking matter a lot to me. It doesn’t matter if I’m shooting 3fps or 10, if the subject is moving, I want the fastest af I can get.

Masefield said:

MarshallG said:

Focus tracking matters if, for example, you want the subject of your photograph to be in focus.

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It matters for fast moving action shots such as sports or birds in flight.

But it doesn't really matter for most types of photography...for landscapes, portraits, street, most travel photography, macro, etc etc.

I think the excellent Single Auto- Focus of Mirrorless (S-AF) is fine for occasional shots of kids and pets running about.

But for someone wanting to shoot a lot of sports photography...DSLR is the better choice due to its superior Continuous Auto-focus (C-AF).

A lot of photographers don't need DSLR level C-AF. I am one of them.

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PhotoTeach2 said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

Wrong again ... most ML are currently (much) faster than dSLR's. (< 50-100ms for ML vs 100-300ms for dSLR)

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I think many disagree with that

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

This just isn't true.

The fastest single AF times have been held by mirrorless cameras for a long time.

The only part of AF that DSLRs are still better, and not by much is in continuous tracking AF, and most amateurs would never notice the difference.

TEdolph

Click to expand...

Focus tracking matters if, for example, you want the subject of your photograph to be in focus.

Click to expand...

Come on Marshall, you are just being argumentative.

You know that subject tracking is not binary. It's not as if an EM1 MarkII can not track a moving subject. It is a matter of degree compared to, say a Nikon d750. They can both track moving subjects, one is better than the other by degree, that is all.

As for single AF, the Oly will beat the pants off the Nikon in both speed and accuracy.

Tedolph

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I’m not being argumentative, I’m simply pointing out how it is. My DSLR has class-leading DPAF LiveView autofocus, but it’s about half as fast as ViewFinder AF.

If I’m shooting something that isn’t moving, I don’t need high speed focus, cause it’s not moving! I’ll put my camera on a tripod and use magnified LiveView to set a perfect Manual focus. But if it’s a butterfly, hummingbird, baseball player, musician... then focus speed and tracking matter a lot to me. It doesn’t matter if I’m shooting 3fps or 10, if the subject is moving, I want the fastest af I can get.

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You are making the wrong comparison. The OP is interested in the differences between a mirrorless camera and a DSLR, not the difference between a DSLR in optical view mode and DSLR in live view mode.

We all know that live view is implemented very poorly in some DSLRs like your Nikon, and better in some other DSLRs like Canon's latest Dual Pixel sensor DSLRs. None of them have live view AF systems that focus as fast or reliably as the top model mirrorless cameras when the DSLRs are in live view mode.

Not even close.

However, some of the mirrorless cameras are very close in tracking AF to DSLRs even when the DSLRs are in optical view mode utilizing their special PDAF focusing modules.

Tedolph

MarshallG said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

Wrong again ... most ML are currently (much) faster than dSLR's. (< 50-100ms for ML vs 100-300ms for dSLR)

Click to expand...

I think many disagree with that

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Joe...er..PhotoTeach2 is always misleading when he gets into this topic.

Don't fall for it.

Tedolph

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

This just isn't true.

The fastest single AF times have been held by mirrorless cameras for a long time.

The only part of AF that DSLRs are still better, and not by much is in continuous tracking AF, and most amateurs would never notice the difference.

TEdolph

Click to expand...

Focus tracking matters if, for example, you want the subject of your photograph to be in focus.

Click to expand...

Come on Marshall, you are just being argumentative.

You know that subject tracking is not binary. It's not as if an EM1 MarkII can not track a moving subject. It is a matter of degree compared to, say a Nikon d750. They can both track moving subjects, one is better than the other by degree, that is all.

As for single AF, the Oly will beat the pants off the Nikon in both speed and accuracy.

Tedolph

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I’m not being argumentative, I’m simply pointing out how it is. My DSLR has class-leading DPAF LiveView autofocus, but it’s about half as fast as ViewFinder AF.

If I’m shooting something that isn’t moving, I don’t need high speed focus, cause it’s not moving! I’ll put my camera on a tripod and use magnified LiveView to set a perfect Manual focus. But if it’s a butterfly, hummingbird, baseball player, musician... then focus speed and tracking matter a lot to me. It doesn’t matter if I’m shooting 3fps or 10, if the subject is moving, I want the fastest af I can get.

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(Snip)

You are making the wrong comparison. The OP is interested in the differences between a mirrorless camera and a DSLR, not the difference between a DSLR in optical view mode and DSLR in live view mode.

We all know that live view is implemented very poorly in some DSLRs like your Nikon, and better in some other DSLRs like Canon's latest Dual Pixel sensor DSLRs. None of them have live view AF systems that focus as fast or reliably as the top model mirrorless cameras when the DSLRs are in live view mode.

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I have a Canon with the DPAF, and it’s substantialiy slower than Viewfinder AF. There’s wide consensus that this is so, and that LiveView (Mirrorless) AF is slower.

The flipside is that Mirrorless cameras don’t need AF calibration, and calibrating a new lens takes me quite a long time. My new camera, the 5D, is much better. But I only know the cameras I use, and I have the good fortune of having good equipment. I don’t know about other models.

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

Wrong again ... most ML are currently (much) faster than dSLR's. (< 50-100ms for ML vs 100-300ms for dSLR)

Click to expand...

I think many disagree with that

Click to expand...

Joe...er..PhotoTeach2 is always misleading when he gets into this topic.

Don't fall for it.

Tedolph

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Was that "necessary" Teddy ???

My numbers are accurate ... and you have said the SAME things I am ....

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

This just isn't true.

The fastest single AF times have been held by mirrorless cameras for a long time.

The only part of AF that DSLRs are still better, and not by much is in continuous tracking AF, and most amateurs would never notice the difference.

TEdolph

Click to expand...

Focus tracking matters if, for example, you want the subject of your photograph to be in focus.

Click to expand...

Come on Marshall, you are just being argumentative.

You know that subject tracking is not binary. It's not as if an EM1 MarkII can not track a moving subject. It is a matter of degree compared to, say a Nikon d750. They can both track moving subjects, one is better than the other by degree, that is all.

As for single AF, the Oly will beat the pants off the Nikon in both speed and accuracy.

Tedolph

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I’m not being argumentative, I’m simply pointing out how it is. My DSLR has class-leading DPAF LiveView autofocus, but it’s about half as fast as ViewFinder AF.

If I’m shooting something that isn’t moving, I don’t need high speed focus, cause it’s not moving! I’ll put my camera on a tripod and use magnified LiveView to set a perfect Manual focus. But if it’s a butterfly, hummingbird, baseball player, musician... then focus speed and tracking matter a lot to me. It doesn’t matter if I’m shooting 3fps or 10, if the subject is moving, I want the fastest af I can get.

Click to expand...

(Snip)

You are making the wrong comparison. The OP is interested in the differences between a mirrorless camera and a DSLR, not the difference between a DSLR in optical view mode and DSLR in live view mode.

We all know that live view is implemented very poorly in some DSLRs like your Nikon, and better in some other DSLRs like Canon's latest Dual Pixel sensor DSLRs. None of them have live view AF systems that focus as fast or reliably as the top model mirrorless cameras when the DSLRs are in live view mode.

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I have a Canon with the DPAF, and it’s substantialiy slower than Viewfinder AF. There’s wide consensus that this is so, and that LiveView (Mirrorless) AF is slower.

The flipside is that Mirrorless cameras don’t need AF calibration, and calibrating a new lens takes me quite a long time. My new camera, the 5D, is much better. But I only know the cameras I use, and I have the good fortune of having good equipment. I don’t know about other models.

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Thanks for acknowledging that.

Tedolph

BobSC said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

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There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

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DSLR Live-View does not give the same visual-feedback when making exposure/EC corrections, and there is a AF delay-penalty w/ dSLR, (over 2 full-seconds on Nikon D3xxx).

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Can you explain what you mean by that? I just took my d3100 and put it into live view. I pointed it across the room and focused. Then I pointed it at something very close and focused. Then I turned off live view and repeated the focusing distance and close. It seemed to focus just as quick either way and it certainly didn't take 2 seconds to focus. I don't have any way to time it, but I'd estimate a quarter second in both live view and normal.

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I sincerely hope you don't expect any credibility with those statements ???

You go from arguing that my "2" seconds was wrong to that PD and CD (Live-View) is EQUALLY fast.

No one denies there are indeed differences between OVF and LV AF-delay.

Nikon themselves admit that even the D7xx / D8xx series has about a "1" second LV-AF delay.

Few seriously uses Nikon in LV, (except on tripod or other specific purpose).

Canon is indeed faster in LV, (w/ hybrid PD-sensor), but they also have a longer LV delay.

MY NUMBERS are from "Imaging-Resource.com" ... their Live-View AF test for D3300 was 1.847-second, (w/ LENS ALREADY PRE-SET to CORRECT DISTANCE -- so more accurately described as a AF-"confirmation").

They used to test/publish LV-AF for ALL cameras, but for some reason, they have QUIT testing for LV-AF ... (I don't understand why because it seems a VERY important spec to me if you need to shoot in LV for any reason).

PhotoTeach2 said:

BobSC said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

DSLR Live-View does not give the same visual-feedback when making exposure/EC corrections, and there is a AF delay-penalty w/ dSLR, (over 2 full-seconds on Nikon D3xxx).

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Can you explain what you mean by that? I just took my d3100 and put it into live view. I pointed it across the room and focused. Then I pointed it at something very close and focused. Then I turned off live view and repeated the focusing distance and close. It seemed to focus just as quick either way and it certainly didn't take 2 seconds to focus. I don't have any way to time it, but I'd estimate a quarter second in both live view and normal.

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I sincerely hope you don't expect any credibility with those statements ???

You go from arguing that my "2" seconds was wrong to that PD and CD (Live-View) is EQUALLY fast.

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I have not made any argument against your statement. I asked you to explain what you mean. Your post does not provide any explanation. What is the delay? Delay from what to what?

I haven't used LV much, if at all, aside from a small number of videos.

PhotoTeach2 said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

Wrong again ... most ML are currently (much) faster than dSLR's. (< 50-100ms for ML vs 100-300ms for dSLR)

Click to expand...

I think many disagree with that

Click to expand...

Joe...er..PhotoTeach2 is always misleading when he gets into this topic.

Don't fall for it.

Tedolph

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Was that "necessary" Teddy ???

My numbers are accurate ... and you have said the SAME things I am ....

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You are playing a shell game with a beginner.

He doesn't understand that you are comparing a Nikon DSLR in its crappy live view mode with its lenses not optimized for live view to a mirrorless camera designed to operate only in live view with lenses optimized for CDAF focusing systems.

That will mislead him.

Tedolph

Each has it's advantages.

I use adapted lenses quite a bit (mirrorless is definitely best for this)

I frequently shoot IR (mirrorless is best for this too)

but I sometimes also shoot motorsports & airshows... typically DSLRs are better for this.

For most types of photography both are equally good, and it's other aspects of the camera that make the biggest differences.

tedolf said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

tedolf said:

MarshallG said:

PhotoTeach2 said:

MarshallG said:

EXX said:

tedolf said:

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Click to expand...

The only meaningful difference between DSLR and Mirroless cameras is the viewing system. DSLRs have a mirror that looks through the lens. Mirrorless Cameras have an Electronic Viewfinder (often eye level) that gives you a preview of the photo from a feed from the imaging sensor itself.

Neither is better but Mirrorless is easier to learn on because you get a preview of what the photo will look like including all exposure adjustments

TEdolph

Click to expand...

There is another difference. With DSLR, using the viewfinder and live view is very different. With mirrorless, camera behaviour using viewfinder is the same as live view.

Click to expand...

With a DSLR, autofocus is slow in LiveView.

With mirrorless, autofocus is slow in LiveView and Viewfinder.

Click to expand...

Wrong again ... most ML are currently (much) faster than dSLR's. (< 50-100ms for ML vs 100-300ms for dSLR)

Click to expand...

I think many disagree with that

Click to expand...

Joe...er..PhotoTeach2 is always misleading when he gets into this topic.

Don't fall for it.

Tedolph

Click to expand...

Was that "necessary" Teddy ???

My numbers are accurate ... and you have said the SAME things I am ....

Click to expand...

You are playing a shell game with a beginner.

He doesn't understand that you are comparing a Nikon DSLR in its crappy live view mode with its lenses not optimized for live view to a mirrorless camera designed to operate only in live view with lenses optimized for CDAF focusing systems.

That will mislead him.

Tedolph

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I think the beginner is beyond confused at this point, with the usual tribalism and “the future” garbage we see on every thread like this. It’s why Imrarely come to this sub forum anymore. It’s been completely hijacked by a crazed evangelist.

Nanu Rajasthani said:

Hello Photo Lovers,

I am thinking to buy camera, but Confused between Mirror Less and SLR Camera. Can Someone suggest which is better camera.

Also this mirrorless and SLR available in Sony & Canon, Can you be able to suggest the brand as well?

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Nanu,

Are you still monitoring this thread? After 6 days, no response from you.

Anyway, just in case you are still here (or for other beginners who have the same questions):

Here are some questions to ask yourself and some comments to help you decide which camera to start off with:

1. Are you willing to carry extra lenses and change lenses while shooting to cover the amount of zoom range you want? --- If not, then that eliminates interchangeable lens cameras. --- Look for cameras with a fixed (non interchangeable) lens with a 1" sensor. They will give decent sensor size while allowing long zoom ranges without changing lenses. The Panasonic FZ1000 at 16x zoom (cheap) or Sony DSC-RX10 IV at 25x zoom (expensive) are recommended.
2. As a beginner, I strongly recommend only getting a camera with an electronic viewfinder (VF) and not one with an optical viewfinder. Electronic VFs can allow you to see the image that will be recorded plus allow overlays in the VF (like zebra pattern and histogram) to allow you to make camera exposure adjustments BEFORE you take the picture. This can give you optimum exposures for nearly all of your shots. Electronic VFs would include cameras with fixed lens and mirrorless cameras. It would exclude DSLR cameras with optical VFs.
3. As a beginner, don't worry about getting large sensor size cameras. Any camera with at least a 1" sensor will cover the shooting that most beginners and intermediate shooters need. Any size sensor (including the small sensor point & shoot cameras) will take excellent pictures in sunlight. A 1" sensor camera will take excellent pictures indoors with normal ambient lighting. If you are in a really low-light situation, then a larger sensor camera will take better pictures but that situation is a minuscule percentage of what you will be shooting. ---- Also note that if you have a good, modern smart phone, it will be able to take good pictures even in low-light that will be more than acceptable for most people.
4. Do you want to use flash photography at distances? If so, then get a camera with a hot shoe on top so you can mount a powerful external flash. Note that flash photography is not only using flash in dim lighting. It is also used in daylight when the sun is in the back of the subject(s), as fill flash. For instance, say you are taking pictures of an outdoor wedding with the ocean as the backdrop and have no control of the time of day or positioning of the couple. The sun is lighting the ocean but being behind the couple, the couple's faces are dark. You can't get close to the couple as to not disrupt the wedding. If you have a "powerful" external flash on your camera, you could take that picture using the flash to light the faces and the sun to light the background. --- Note that larger size cameras like the Panasonic FZ1000 or Sony RX10-IV will allow mounting the external flash while retaining decent balance for the assembly. A small camera with a hot shoe will be very unbalanced with a powerful external flash mounted on top.
5. My personal preference is to only get a camera that will allow assigning the exposure compensation adjustment to a dial or thumbwheel. That plus using an electronic VF, I enable zebra pattern and the histogram overlay in the VF. Then to take a picture, just frame the scene in the VF, spin the EC wheel to just get rid of the zebra patterns (optimum exposure), half press the shutter to lock focus and snap the picture. This is extremely fast so the people will not get impatient while still allowing optimum exposures. Subsequent pictures of the group are just snapping to get one with nobody blinking.

I, like photo-teach, shoot with a FZ1000 and it has filled all of my expectations for special event and vacation shooting. I do have a powerful external flash though I only use it for demanding situations like the wedding scenario I listed above. That said, I'm shooting people events more and more using my Samsung S8 phone and the pictures are amazing.

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