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Hmm why people are so crazy about Helios-44 family of lenses, I wonder. If you want "a better Helios than Helios" then the answer is
MC HELIOS-81H (after around 1992, labeled as ARSAT-H)
Why does it seem to be mostly ignored by vintage lenses fans, any ideas?
- It has the same Helios optical scheme but a "new generation" one, facelifted, refactored, optimized and optically recalculated to utilize the benefits from modern (at the time) blend of lanthanum optical glass.
- It is more of a "standard lens" - 52 mm with 45 degrees AOV (vs. 58 and 40 degrees AOV).
- It is sharper than MC H-44M-7 and has better contrast, less prone to flares and introduces fewer aberrations.
- It has native Nikon F bayonet lens mount with correct flange distance so it just fits any Nikon body which is aware of manual lenses, no adapters.
- It is not so overhyped so it's cheap as hell, is widely available and its quality is less variable.
if people plan to use adapted glass mainly for sharpness and contrast, compared to modern glass, then I think they are fooling themselves. Most (but no tall) vintage lenses are way inferior in that department and Helios 44 is one of them.Hmm why people are so crazy about Helios-44 family of lenses, I wonder. If you want "a better Helios than Helios" then the answer is
MC HELIOS-81H (after around 1992, labeled as ARSAT-H)
mostly ignored by vintage lenses fans, any ideas?
- It is sharper than MC H-44M-7 and has better contrast, less prone to flares and introduces fewer aberrations.
Not much cheaper, at least looking at eBay and comparing with what I paid my 44K.Hmm why people are so crazy about Helios-44 family of lenses, I wonder. If you want "a better Helios than Helios" then the answer is
MC HELIOS-81H (after around 1992, labeled as ARSAT-H)
Why does it seem to be mostly ignored by vintage lenses fans, any ideas?
- It has the same Helios optical scheme but a "new generation" one, facelifted, refactored, optimized and optically recalculated to utilize the benefits from modern (at the time) blend of lanthanum optical glass.
- It is more of a "standard lens" - 52 mm with 45 degrees AOV (vs. 58 and 40 degrees AOV).
- It is sharper than MC H-44M-7 and has better contrast, less prone to flares and introduces fewer aberrations.
- It has native Nikon F bayonet lens mount with correct flange distance so it just fits any Nikon body which is aware of manual lenses, no adapters.
- It is not so overhyped so it's cheap as hell, is widely available and its quality is less variable.
On eBay you are watching items which were bought locally for €3-€7 together with the camera bodies and put on sale thereafter. If you will look at current local prices, you will see the difference - note that 500 UAH is about €17. Scroll down, the cheapest offers are empty bodies (below UAH 500) from which lenses are already removed. Offers for body + working lens start from UAH 550.Not much cheaper, at least looking at eBay and comparing with what I paid my 44K.
I agree with you but you do want at least something to be in focus inside your frame, don't you?Less optical defects is not necessarily good, since those lens are bought for their optical defects. Without, they become kinda meh.
MC H-81H (aka ARSAT-H) is not 58, it is real 52 mm. H-44 lenses are 58 mm.More normal FL is not exactly a plus either, since I already have a couple of 50mm lenses, but no 58.
Yes, for you this is of no benefit then.Native Nikon F mount ditto, since I shoot Pentax (YMM of course V).
I was looking at eBay dot it, this explains itOn eBay you are watching items which were bought locally for €3-€7 together with the camera bodies and put on sale thereafter. If you will look at current local prices, you will see the difference - note that 500 UAH is about €17. Scroll down, the cheapest offers are empty bodies (below UAH 500) from which lenses are already removed. Offers for body + working lens start from UAH 550.Not much cheaper, at least looking at eBay and comparing with what I paid my 44K.
My 44K is reasonably sharp near the center even w.o.I agree with you but you do want at least something to be in focus inside your frame, don't you?Less optical defects is not necessarily good, since those lens are bought for their optical defects. Without, they become kinda meh.
I know, I was saying that a Helios 44 makes more sense than a Helios 81 in my collection, because of the FL.MC H-81H (aka ARSAT-H) is not 58, it is real 52 mm. H-44 lenses are 58 mm.More normal FL is not exactly a plus either, since I already have a couple of 50mm lenses, but no 58.
To each his own I guessYes, for you this is of no benefit then.Native Nikon F mount ditto, since I shoot Pentax (YMM of course V).
There is one more option for a vintage lens. You can grab and try a copy of an original Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 1:2 58mm M42 from 1920th, of which H-44 is a pale copy. They are still available around. These are (and always were) better than H-44 because German optical technologies and materials of 1920s were superior to USSR at least until late 1970s. I mean that only around 1970 USSR lens and optical industry caught up with German level of 1920s, just 50 years lag behind, I guess.I know, I was saying that a Helios 44 makes more sense than a Helios 81 in my collection, because of the FL.
I spent like 23€ for a 44K-4 in as-new conditions, complete with original caps. 179€ is a bit steep...There is one more option for a vintage lens. You can grab and try a copy of an original Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 1:2 58mm M42 from 1920th, of which H-44 is a pale copy. They are still available around. These are (and always were) better than H-44 because German optical technologies and materials of 1920s were superior to USSR at least until late 1970s. I mean that only around 1970 USSR lens and optical industry caught up with German level of 1920s, just 50 years lag behind, I guess.I know, I was saying that a Helios 44 makes more sense than a Helios 81 in my collection, because of the FL.
But doesn't it bother you that you are using a fake and imperfect Biotar clone, made from substandard glass?I spent like 23€ for a 44K-4 in as-new conditions, complete with original caps. 179€ is a bit steep...original Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 1:2 58mm M42 from 1920th, of which H-44 is a pale copy.
That's good because, before MC H-44M generation, Helioses were of questionable quality, and after 1992 the QC on the factories drastically degraded. 1990-91-92 AFAIK are the best years for H-44M. Your sample is definitely nice.My Helios is from 1992.
I'm using a SMC-M 80-200/4.5 in place of a nice D-FA 70-200/2.8*... that should bother me more! XDBut doesn't it bother you that you are using a fake and imperfect Biotar clone, made from substandard glass?I spent like 23€ for a 44K-4 in as-new conditions, complete with original caps. 179€ is a bit steep...original Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 1:2 58mm M42 from 1920th, of which H-44 is a pale copy.
That's good because, before MC H-44M generation, Helioses were of questionable quality, and after 1992 the QC on the factories drastically degraded. 1990-91-92 AFAIK are the best years for H-44M. Your sample is definitely nice.My Helios is from 1992.
By the A/M rocker switch I'd have assumed that was an old 44M with a new faceplate. But the discussion may have stalled over this issue before.Here's a KMZ 44M-7 - not mine
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Helios-4...=item4b0f8a97b3:g:uqEAAOSw-0xYcV58:rk:13:pf:0
I was sent one of those and I concluded it was not a 44M-7. Ebay refunded my money while the seller did not want to spring for return shipping so I got to keep the lens too. Eventually I managed to get the real deal, with the correct serial number from another vendor!Here's a KMZ 44M-7 - not mine
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Helios-4...=item4b0f8a97b3:g:uqEAAOSw-0xYcV58:rk:13:pf:0
Yep, that looks as fake as it gets. Lovely brand new packaging for a lens with clear wear. And since when did KMZ ever make a 44m7?I was sent one of those and I concluded it was not a 44M-7. Ebay refunded my money while the seller did not want to spring for return shipping so I got to keep the lens too. Eventually I managed to get the real deal, with the correct serial number from another vendor!Here's a KMZ 44M-7 - not mine
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Helios-4...=item4b0f8a97b3:g:uqEAAOSw-0xYcV58:rk:13:pf:0
Funny. They even managed to use three different names for the lens – one on the front plate, 2nd one on the box, and 3rd one on the product manual.Yep, that looks as fake as it gets. Lovely brand new packaging for a lens with clear wear. And since when did KMZ ever make a 44m7?
I think that we only have ourselves to blame. The basic lens itself is a quite good perfomer and came in a huge number of models. As millions were made they were cheap and good value. To put an M7 on a pedestal as something very special is only to invite a higher price for it (and a bit of faking).Funny. They even managed to use three different names for the lens – one on the front plate, 2nd one on the box, and 3rd one on the product manual.Yep, that looks as fake as it gets. Lovely brand new packaging for a lens with clear wear. And since when did KMZ ever make a 44m7?