Z1 versus 7i

mdalmuld · Sep 25, 2003

I'm seriously thinking about buying the Z1. I've done a lot of research and the messages in this forum have confirmed to me that the camera is worth every $ you spend on it. However, with the new A1 being available it is likely we will see the price of the 7i/7Hi drop even further... So, should I consider buying a 7i/7Hi instead of the Z1? I know the answer will depend to a great extend on what you want to do with the camera. But spending a couple of hundred (Aussie) dollars extra for a camera with more options, more mpixels, etc. seems attractive to me...

Has anybody done a comparison? Any thoughts? How would the quality of the pictures compare?

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Marc Dalmulder
Sydney, Australia

Bradly · Sep 25, 2003

Well, to start you're looking at over twice the price. Atleast here in the US that's what it is. I don't see it dropping in price that much, if any, being that's down in price right now quite a bit from original.

I'll add a 7Hi vs Z1 image comparison to my list of ones to do. It's been raining here, so as soon as it clears up I'll get some.

They're both fast performing camera's.

Is there anything specific that you're looking at?

mdalmuld said:
I'm seriously thinking about buying the Z1. I've done a lot of
research and the messages in this forum have confirmed to me that
the camera is worth every $ you spend on it. However, with the new
A1 being available it is likely we will see the price of the 7i/7Hi
drop even further... So, should I consider buying a 7i/7Hi instead
of the Z1? I know the answer will depend to a great extend on what
you want to do with the camera. But spending a couple of hundred
(Aussie) dollars extra for a camera with more options, more
mpixels, etc. seems attractive to me...

Has anybody done a comparison? Any thoughts? How would the quality
of the pictures compare?

--
Marc Dalmulder
Sydney, Australia

mdalmuld · Sep 26, 2003

You're right--the camera is about twice as expense (and I don't think you get twice the quality when buying the 7i). I'd be interested in the quality of the pictures, especially when it comes to noise and performance in low light conditions. I currently have a Canon Digital IXUS. The camera is not bad, but the two things that I don't like are the very limited 2x zoom (shouldn't be a problem with both the 7i and Z1) and the poor quality in low light conditions, resulting in way too much noise. Based on reviews and feedback in this forum, I understand the 7i has more noise than average in its pictures. So I wonder how that compares to the Z1?

Bradly said:
I'll add a 7Hi vs Z1 image comparison to my list of ones to do.
It's been raining here, so as soon as it clears up I'll get some.

They're both fast performing camera's.

Is there anything specific that you're looking at?

mdalmuld said:

I'm seriously thinking about buying the Z1. I've done a lot of
research and the messages in this forum have confirmed to me that
the camera is worth every $ you spend on it. However, with the new
A1 being available it is likely we will see the price of the 7i/7Hi
drop even further... So, should I consider buying a 7i/7Hi instead
of the Z1? I know the answer will depend to a great extend on what
you want to do with the camera. But spending a couple of hundred
(Aussie) dollars extra for a camera with more options, more
mpixels, etc. seems attractive to me...

Has anybody done a comparison? Any thoughts? How would the quality
of the pictures compare?

--
Marc Dalmulder
Sydney, Australia

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Marc Dalmulder
Sydney, Australia

Bradly · Sep 26, 2003

I have the 7Hi to compare with the Z1. So it won't quite answer your question to do a comparison, as I think the 7hi is said to have a little better noise levels than the 7i. I'll post comparisons if you still want them though.

mdalmuld said:
You're right--the camera is about twice as expense (and I don't
think you get twice the quality when buying the 7i). I'd be
interested in the quality of the pictures, especially when it comes
to noise and performance in low light conditions. I currently have
a Canon Digital IXUS. The camera is not bad, but the two things
that I don't like are the very limited 2x zoom (shouldn't be a
problem with both the 7i and Z1) and the poor quality in low light
conditions, resulting in way too much noise. Based on reviews and
feedback in this forum, I understand the 7i has more noise than
average in its pictures. So I wonder how that compares to the Z1?

mdalmuld · Sep 26, 2003

Some comparisons would be nice, yeah... Thanks so much for doing this!

Bradly said:
mdalmuld said:

You're right--the camera is about twice as expense (and I don't
think you get twice the quality when buying the 7i). I'd be
interested in the quality of the pictures, especially when it comes
to noise and performance in low light conditions. I currently have
a Canon Digital IXUS. The camera is not bad, but the two things
that I don't like are the very limited 2x zoom (shouldn't be a
problem with both the 7i and Z1) and the poor quality in low light
conditions, resulting in way too much noise. Based on reviews and
feedback in this forum, I understand the 7i has more noise than
average in its pictures. So I wonder how that compares to the Z1?

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Marc Dalmulder
Sydney, Australia

jdcothern · Sep 27, 2003

Bradly: Have you tried the video and printing out a picture from it? Like using the video as a burst mode? How good a picture can you get that way?

mdalmuld said:
Bradly said:

mdalmuld said:

You're right--the camera is about twice as expense (and I don't
think you get twice the quality when buying the 7i). I'd be
interested in the quality of the pictures, especially when it comes
to noise and performance in low light conditions. I currently have
a Canon Digital IXUS. The camera is not bad, but the two things
that I don't like are the very limited 2x zoom (shouldn't be a
problem with both the 7i and Z1) and the poor quality in low light
conditions, resulting in way too much noise. Based on reviews and
feedback in this forum, I understand the 7i has more noise than
average in its pictures. So I wonder how that compares to the Z1?

Click to expand...

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--
Marc Dalmulder
Sydney, Australia

Bradly · Sep 27, 2003

jdcothern said:
Bradly: Have you tried the video and printing out a picture from
it? Like using the video as a burst mode? How good a picture can
you get that way?

Haven't tried that. Would be more for on screen use as the prints from 640x480 would be pretty small. But it could work if wallet size is ok. Wouldn't be quite as good as a straight up 640x480 because of it not being shot as a still image though. The UHS progressive capture might be a better option for that as long as one second of time would be sufficient. It would then give you a 1280x960 image that would make a 4x6 easily.

Bradly · Sep 27, 2003

Here's an image from each. Taken with low lighting and framed to be roughly the same.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4289013531&code=6621834&mode=invite

mdalmuld said:
Some comparisons would be nice, yeah... Thanks so much for doing this!

Keith25106 · Sep 27, 2003

Bradly said:
Well, to start you're looking at over twice the price. Atleast here
in the US that's what it is. I don't see it dropping in price that
much, if any, being that's down in price right now quite a bit from
original.

A major problem is the move up from 28mm to 38mm at wide-angle. Makes a WORLD of difference IMHO.

Stefan V · Sep 27, 2003

Keith25106 said:
A major problem is the move up from 28mm to 38mm at wide-angle.
Makes a WORLD of difference IMHO.

As I have a hard time understanding how big this difference is... could someone please upload a picture taken in 28mm, and draw a rectangle in it on what could be seen if the same picture was taking with a 35mm and 38mm camera??

jIM cOLE · Sep 27, 2003

Stefan, the z-1 is 38mm . a lens that will NOT take in as much ,or as wide a picture as a 28mm. The z-1 has a "wide angle converter" ( just out at a FEW stores approx $125) With that u can take a picture in a 10-12 room and get probably the whole wall in the pic. With the 38mm you would NOT get it. Go to MInolta.com and read about the Z-1 .It shows a picture of a Ferris(??) Wheel in 28 and 38mm.JC

Stefan V said:
Stefan V said:

A major problem is the move up from 28mm to 38mm at wide-angle.
Makes a WORLD of difference IMHO.

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As I have a hard time understanding how big this difference is...
could someone please upload a picture taken in 28mm, and draw a
rectangle in it on what could be seen if the same picture was
taking with a 35mm and 38mm camera??

mdalmuld · Sep 28, 2003

Bradly--thanks for posting these two images. To be honest, I think I prefer the Z1 picture quality! It looks sharper to me. Noise seems to be low on both pictures (at least from what I can tell). I don't think I can justify the higher price for the 7i/7Hi...

Bradly said:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4289013531&code=6621834&mode=invite

mdalmuld said:

Some comparisons would be nice, yeah... Thanks so much for doing this!

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Marc Dalmulder
Sydney, Australia

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