Noise filters.....

JP Scherrer said:
Which is the BEST noise filter for ISO 1600-0099 D810 images ?

What is your workflow for RAW images above ISO 1600 ??

TIA for any tips...
DXO PhotoLab's Prime noise reduction; uncanny! This is ISO 12800 from D850 reduced to 24MP:



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Philip
 
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Which is the BEST noise filter for ISO 1600-0099 D810 images ?
DXO PhotoLab's Prime noise reduction; uncanny! This is ISO 12800 from D850 reduced to 24MP:
Agreed, been using it since ver 1, for this and other reasons (DXO lighting, Clearview, Perspective Correction and more).

Workflow...

Copy files to HD, rename, import into Lightroom (then backup folders to 2nd HD, clear card), mark selects for processing with 3 or more stars.

Open DXO, filter on 3+ stars, save as TIF, sync back into Lightroom, open in PS (or other for HDR, focus stack, pano etc) for further processing (incl NIK if desired), sync into LR, print from LR as required.

Richard
 
Which is the BEST noise filter for ISO 1600-0099 D810 images ?
DXO PhotoLab's Prime noise reduction; uncanny! This is ISO 12800 from D850 reduced to 24MP:
Agreed, been using it since ver 1, for this and other reasons (DXO lighting, Clearview, Perspective Correction and more).

Workflow...

Copy files to HD, rename, import into Lightroom (then backup folders to 2nd HD, clear card), mark selects for processing with 3 or more stars.

Open DXO, filter on 3+ stars, save as TIF, sync back into Lightroom, open in PS (or other for HDR, focus stack, pano etc) for further processing (incl NIK if desired), sync into LR, print from LR as required.
Thanks ! So... you use DXO noise filter ON RAW FILES, before to post-process the images and convert to *.TIF !?! That seem to go against the usual (old) way to do, which was to do all the post-process and AT THE END only clean the noise and sharpen...

Is that it ?

...and, BTW, what is "3+ stars" ? I haven't used DXO Optic Pro, so I'm lost... Here's a friend's DXO Noise reduction window screen-copy ! Is that correct ? are the figures normal ?



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Which is the BEST noise filter for ISO 1600-0099 D810 images ?
DXO PhotoLab's Prime noise reduction; uncanny! This is ISO 12800 from D850 reduced to 24MP:
Agreed, been using it since ver 1, for this and other reasons (DXO lighting, Clearview, Perspective Correction and more).

Workflow...

Copy files to HD, rename, import into Lightroom (then backup folders to 2nd HD, clear card), mark selects for processing with 3 or more stars.

Open DXO, filter on 3+ stars, save as TIF, sync back into Lightroom, open in PS (or other for HDR, focus stack, pano etc) for further processing (incl NIK if desired), sync into LR, print from LR as required.
Thanks ! So... you use DXO noise filter ON RAW FILES, before to post-process the images and convert to *.TIF !?! That seem to go against the usual (old) way to do, which was to do all the post-process and AT THE END only clean the noise and sharpen...

Is that it ?

...and, BTW, what is "3+ stars" ? I haven't used DXO Optic Pro, so I'm lost... Here's a friend's DXO Noise reduction window screen-copy ! Is that correct ? are the figures normal ?

c8c6f58dd91a48179d4023feba21bf3d.jpg

-Thanks in advance for any tips....
These settings are in the neighborhood of my own. The '3+ stars" Richard is talking about are from a selection method in Lightroom, which I personally do not use.

You can select any number of images in PhotoLab, apply a preset and specific edits to the files, then export them as Tifs or jpegs. Just download the thirty day trial and experiment for yourself.



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Philip
 
Which is the BEST noise filter for ISO 1600-0099 D810 images ?
DXO PhotoLab's Prime noise reduction; uncanny! This is ISO 12800 from D850 reduced to 24MP:
Agreed, been using it since ver 1, for this and other reasons (DXO lighting, Clearview, Perspective Correction and more).

Workflow...

Copy files to HD, rename, import into Lightroom (then backup folders to 2nd HD, clear card), mark selects for processing with 3 or more stars.
So far, very similar to me. I import from card using DownloaderPro, which renames files to my standard, creates new subdirectories as needed (per day, at this point) and sticks everything in a temporary file location on one of my hard drives.

I then import to Lightroom, rate with stars and cull. I then use Lightroom to post-process (including noise reduction), and when done I move the rated/processed files to a permanent directory structure.

Each night all these directories are backed up to a NAS.
Open DXO, filter on 3+ stars, save as TIF, sync back into Lightroom, open in PS (or other for HDR, focus stack, pano etc) for further processing (incl NIK if desired), sync into LR, print from LR as required.
Now here I get confused.

-Why export as TIF?

-What is 'sync back to Lightroom'?

As someone who does all post-processing with Lightroom at the moment, I'm confused by the movement of files in and out for further processing. I used to use Nikon software for NEF files, Sony software for ARW files, and DPP for Canon raw files when I was using three different cameras on vacations. It just got too unwieldy, and Lightroom solved most of those issues.

I get suspicious about steps involving TIF files.
 
Open DXO, filter on 3+ stars, save as TIF, sync back into Lightroom, open in PS (or other for HDR, focus stack, pano etc) for further processing (incl NIK if desired), sync into LR, print from LR as required.
Thanks ! So... you use DXO noise filter ON RAW FILES, before to post-process the images and convert to *.TIF !?! That seem to go against the usual (old) way to do, which was to do all the post-process and AT THE END only clean the noise and sharpen...
DXO PhotoLab is a comprehensive RAW file processor, kind of like ACR on steriods.

Lightroom is a catalog/database of edits. The edits are not applied to the files until .you export them as TIF/PSD/JPG. RAW conversion is by ACR which is embedded in LR

Photoshop needs to save images as PSD/TIF/JPG after processing, RAW conv in PS is optional (not done on already rendered files, but required for RAW files). If you open a RAW file it uses ACR, as does LR to do the conversion. You then have to save the file as something other than the original RAW format.

DXO is the same, RAW in, TIF/PSD/JPG out.

Unless you work exclusively in LR and never export (ie use!) a files it has to come out as TIF/PSD/JPG (or a print).

DXO, somewhat like LR, does all its processing at once (except for the live preview).

Do you want to "enhance" the noise in processing? If not, do it up front were it is easier to remove and can be done using sensor noise profiles (for cameras that have been profiled). The profile data (in DXO and ACR) is based on the RAW file, not a rendered image.
...and, BTW, what is "3+ stars" ? I haven't used DXO Optic Pro, so I'm lost...
That is a reference to LR's rating system. DXO can read the sidecar (xmp) files and see that data. Originally I used DXO's "Projects" to select images but when they added the ability to read xmp files it was easier to use that. Just a way of selecting images to be processed.
Here's a friend's DXO Noise reduction window screen-copy ! Is that correct ? are the figures normal ?
Insufficient data, but he's selected "Prime" which is DXO's heavy duty NR for high ISO images. It looks quite noisy.

I would not normally use values like that but they might be needed depending on the camera/ISO used.

Since i try and always use reasonably low ISO values i would bot be there.... unless shooting the proverbial black cat in a coal bin, or a black bear at dusk with no flash...

Try the DOX demo, there is a learning curve as it is a very powerful program.

Richard
 
Now here I get confused.

-Why export as TIF?
See my reply to Flashlight. Unless you never save (export/print) files from Lightroom you have to use TIF/PSD/Jpg formats. LR does not modify the RAW file until you do so.
-What is 'sync back to Lightroom'?
If you edit outside of LR, and you are using LR as a catalog, then you have to bring the file location info back into LR. "Synchronize folder" is what does that (similar to import but quicker as it skips files already indexed in LR).
As someone who does all post-processing with Lightroom at the moment, I'm confused by the movement of files in and out for further processing.
I do no file processing in LR, I use it as a very efficient catalog system (and for printing). OTOH, my wife does almost all editing in LR, just asks me for help when she can't get it right... then off to PS we go.

Nothing wrong with what you are doing, just does not work for me as I use layered files and other things LR can't do. Any LR plug-in has to transfer the file to other software, usually as a rendered image unless it is going to another RAW converter.
I used to use Nikon software for NEF files, Sony software for ARW files, and DPP for Canon raw files when I was using three different cameras on vacations. It just got too unwieldy, and Lightroom solved most of those issues.
PS, DXO, Capture One, all comprehensive RAW processors, handle multiple RAW formats. (not necessarily all, but most). Separate RAW converters are no longer necessary.
I get suspicious about steps involving TIF files.
Why? It preserves all the rendered data, unlike JPG which throws away a lot "just good enough" for some use (web images) was the design concept. LR output has to be rendered into TIF/PSD/JPG.

A RAW file is the negative, a JPG file is the (film) slide. Just like those, you can do a lot more with the RAW file.

Richard
 
My early experience with TIFF format was back in the 90's, scanning my slides at 4000dpi. I got 100mb files, each! (Which back in those days was more like "each!!!!!")

It's the file size and potential duplication I worry about. I want to store the original NEF files, and related sidecars, without saving another copy. I typically print rarely, but I often export to JPG and create web pages to view my photos. Those jpgs I save, but I'd hate to have TIFF files all over the place. Are they, or can they be, temporary work stages, or do you delete the original NEFs?
 
Thanks Philip and Richard for the explanation and tips ! I don't use LR, as I don't need to catalogue my images... I only use PS !

I guess I will try different methods, writing down the steps and figures, and then decide which gives the best IMO !

Have a good day....

J-P.
 
My early experience with TIFF format was back in the 90's, scanning my slides at 4000dpi. I got 100mb files, each! (Which back in those days was more like "each!!!!!")

It's the file size and potential duplication I worry about. I want to store the original NEF files, and related sidecars, without saving another copy. I typically print rarely, but I often export to JPG and create web pages to view my photos. Those jpgs I save, but I'd hate to have TIFF files all over the place. Are they, or can they be, temporary work stages, or do you delete the original NEFs?
HD space is cheap, <$100 (CDN) for 1TB. My RAW files are around 60 meg, edits vary from a few hundred megs to 1 Gb+, rarely 2 gb... I'd say most are in the 300-600 mb range depending on how complex the edits/composites are.

Never delete the original of any file you keep, and keep all derivatives of it in the same folder (then you don't have to search for them...) Derivative file names must include the orig name (based on sad experience). Keep duplicate copies on independent media (ie 2 HD's with the same files). A good DAM system further reduces searching.

If you don't save your edits, you have to try and remember what/how you did, IMO impossible.

So, yes, they could be temporary, but... I save as a new file all major editing phases. That way I can easily go back and change, or fork off in anew direction.

(time for a new thread....noise has vanished into the background..)

Richard
 
Which is the BEST noise filter for ISO 1600-0099 D810 images ?

What is your workflow for RAW images above ISO 1600 ??

TIA for any tips...
I also use DxO PhotoLab Elite to process and de-noise images. It has become my go-to RAW converter.

I don't know about all this TIFF talk. I just import my RAW files directly into DxO and apply the "prime" noise reduction. Less is more with this program and you'll be amazed.

Here are some high ISO samples from my D500 (which is more challenging to clean up than a full frame RAW file)

ISO 11,400: https://www.dreamsourcestudio.com/Wildlife/Birds/i-LvZ5rKx/A

ISO 6,400: https://www.dreamsourcestudio.com/Wildlife/Birds/i-tXd25sD/A

Here's an ISO 2800 from a D750, not even a slight challenge for DxO: https://www.dreamsourcestudio.com/Wildlife/Mammals/i-9zvXpcn/A

They have a free 30 day trial you can download and use here: https://www.dxo.com/dxo-photolab/
 
Thanks !

that ISO 11400 bird image is truly impressive :-O !

J-P.
 

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