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I haven't picked up the D850 since the Z7 arrived. I have mixed feelings about this, since it could mean that the D850, a beautiful, expensive camera could go unused as its value drops. Not right away, but in say 5 years.

However, it performs better in AF, and can directly mount my F glass, in which I have a significant investment, which brings me to the second part of the question...

What about my F mount lenses? Well, this bothers me less, since I can use them with the FTZ. But once there are enough Z lenses to replace them, they will drop in value. 14-24 2.8G, 24 1.4G, 28 1.4E, 58 1.4G, 105 1.4E. I really love these lenses.

I guess my answer is...I'd consider selling the D850 soon, but will likely keep the glass until I can replace it.
 
it will be interesting to see what happens with F mount lens values, but with all of the DSLRs out there still being used and sold, I think the value of F mount glass will stay pretty level, at least until we start seeing entry level mirror less from Nikon.
 
Thanks, that’s what I’m looking to find out. If getting the old lenses with the adapter will make the camera bigger than native z lenses, then it’s not worth it for someone who doesn’t own any lenses.
 
eliehbk said:
Thanks, that’s what I’m looking to find out. If getting the old lenses with the adapter will make the camera bigger than native z lenses, then it’s not worth it for someone who doesn’t own any lenses.
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It looks that way. If you don't have an F lens, and only have a Z body, I'd wait for the Z lens. If waiting is difficult, I'd try and buy in some efficient used way, so I could later resell with little loss.

Of course, this is entirely a personal preference. There's a counter-argument to say you might be new to Nikon and end up wanting a D850 or D5 or D500 as well, but for which the Z lenses are useless, so F + Adaptor gives you more flexibility today.
 
VBLondon said:
I've done something I never thought I would until I'd spent a few days with my Z6 - sold all my AF-S lenses (10 of them, including the 2.8 zoom trio and 3 f1.4 primes). I've kept my Df and a few AF-Ds, which aren't worth much, as a back-up, and to provide a fill-in until more Z lenses are available.

My motivations were

- I really, really liked the Z6 and 24-70

- I really didn't like the Adaptor. Functionally I know it's fine, it's just not to my taste. It's big and clunky and the combination of F-mount lens and Adaptor and Z6 just doesn't look right to me.

- Used prices for F mount lenses are unaffected today by the Z. I have a feeling they will decline - maybe not next year but at some time. Some of my AF-S lenses were over 10 years old, most over 6-10 years old, so they've given me a useful life

- I have a budget now to buy new S lenses as they arrive.....

Has anyone else contemplated this?

If I had the money, I would love to have kept them, and one day added a D5 or D850. It's great gear. But realistically I'm only going to do a meaningful amount of shooting with one body, and that's going to be a Z in the future.
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I have been shooting with M4/3 for ove 5 years now. Heavily invested on Oly PRO zoom lenses (12-40/2.8, 12-100/4/0, 7-14/2.8 and the 40-150/2.8). I have an older Oly EM-1 mk I and a EM-5 mk II. Traded 2 M4/3 bodies and several lenses to get the Nikon Z6.

The Z6 + 24-70/4.0 S is my 1st FF camera. I will be shooting a 2 system shooter :) M4/3 for small and light system and FF for IQ. I will be saving for the 14-30/4.0 S for wider landscape and milky way photography. Just ordered the Nikon 200-500/5.6 for wildlife and outdoor sports. More likely, I will stay with the native Z mount lenses as they come out and depending on the price. Now I got the best of M4/3 and and FF system :)
 
VBLondon said:
I've done something I never thought I would until I'd spent a few days with my Z6 - sold all my AF-S lenses (10 of them, including the 2.8 zoom trio and 3 f1.4 primes). I've kept my Df and a few AF-Ds, which aren't worth much, as a back-up, and to provide a fill-in until more Z lenses are available.
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I sold about the same number in early 2017. I sold the 24-70 G lens just the other day. Still have 2 F mount Nikkors and the 14mm Sigma.
VBLondon said:
My motivations were

- I really, really liked the Z6 and 24-70

- I really didn't like the Adaptor. Functionally I know it's fine, it's just not to my taste. It's big and clunky and the combination of F-mount lens and Adaptor and Z6 just doesn't look right to me.

- Used prices for F mount lenses are unaffected today by the Z. I have a feeling they will decline - maybe not next year but at some time. Some of my AF-S lenses were over 10 years old, most over 6-10 years old, so they've given me a useful life
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I don't think they will decline in value very rapidly at all. Nikon lenses have great resale value.
VBLondon said:
- I have a budget now to buy new S lenses as they arrive.....

Has anyone else contemplated this?

If I had the money, I would love to have kept them, and one day added a D5 or D850. It's great gear. But realistically I'm only going to do a meaningful amount of shooting with one body, and that's going to be a Z in the future.
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Unlike you I was transitioning to a mirrorless Olympus E-M1 II at the time I sold many of my Nikkors. I just love the mirrorless benefits. I especially like the Oly with longer lenses like the 300mm f/4 PRO and the little Lumix 35-100mm f/2.8. They are much more petite and easy to use than FF long glass, and I will keep the M43 system for tele use particularly.

Up until recently I had kept a D810 and 24-70 for more exacting work. But now I've opted for the Z6. Will keep 14mm ART, 60mm macro and 85mm f/1.4G, but all new lenses will be Z-mount.

So I'm all in on mirrorless - no DSLRs for me.
 
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VBLondon said:
I've done something I never thought I would until I'd spent a few days with my Z6 - sold all my AF-S lenses (10 of them, including the 2.8 zoom trio and 3 f1.4 primes). I've kept my Df and a few AF-Ds, which aren't worth much, as a back-up, and to provide a fill-in until more Z lenses are available.

My motivations were

- I really, really liked the Z6 and 24-70

- I really didn't like the Adaptor. Functionally I know it's fine, it's just not to my taste. It's big and clunky and the combination of F-mount lens and Adaptor and Z6 just doesn't look right to me.

- Used prices for F mount lenses are unaffected today by the Z. I have a feeling they will decline - maybe not next year but at some time. Some of my AF-S lenses were over 10 years old, most over 6-10 years old, so they've given me a useful life

- I have a budget now to buy new S lenses as they arrive.....

Has anyone else contemplated this?

If I had the money, I would love to have kept them, and one day added a D5 or D850. It's great gear. But realistically I'm only going to do a meaningful amount of shooting with one body, and that's going to be a Z in the future.
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I love the new Z/S and it is indeed my future. That said, its too early to be "all in" from a lens perspective - the lenses just aren't there.

For the near term until the lens roadmap is built out, I am more interested in having the focal lengths I need to make good images, that I am in worrying about potential depreciation of F-mount lenses while the Z-mount lenses are built out. YMMV.

I did give my D800 and F-mount 24-70 to my niece. But keeping other F-mounts lenses where the focal lengths are not yet covered by Z mount lenses. I also plan to sell my Fuji system.
 
VBLondon said:
I've done something I never thought I would until I'd spent a few days with my Z6 - sold all my AF-S lenses (10 of them, including the 2.8 zoom trio and 3 f1.4 primes). I've kept my Df and a few AF-Ds, which aren't worth much, as a back-up, and to provide a fill-in until more Z lenses are available.

My motivations were

- I really, really liked the Z6 and 24-70

- I really didn't like the Adaptor. Functionally I know it's fine, it's just not to my taste. It's big and clunky and the combination of F-mount lens and Adaptor and Z6 just doesn't look right to me.
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I don't like the bulk of the adapter and the fact that it adds one more complex avoidable part into the mix.

I just see it as a necessity to avoid the cost of replacing existing F lenses, at least where the same focal lengths are available in S line.
VBLondon said:
- Used prices for F mount lenses are unaffected today by the Z. I have a feeling they will decline - maybe not next year but at some time. Some of my AF-S lenses were over 10 years old, most over 6-10 years old, so they've given me a useful life
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My lenses would not fetch much by selling but would be expensive to replace with their S counterparts :-(
VBLondon said:
- I have a budget now to buy new S lenses as they arrive.....

Has anyone else contemplated this?

If I had the money, I would love to have kept them, and one day added a D5 or D850. It's great gear. But realistically I'm only going to do a meaningful amount of shooting with one body, and that's going to be a Z in the future.
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After much debate in the past two months, I have decided this week that I cannot buy anything right now. I am having to impose a freeze on all hobby spending for the next two years. So, the holiday season of 2020 is when I'll see how the camera landscape shapes up and decide on how to go about it.

Fortunately, I can borrow a couple of camera bodies from friends if the need arises to supplement my D7200 and I probably have all the lenses that I need for now.

The Z has been a great temptation but one that could not turn into an ownership experience for me.
 
Well, not all in – yet – here but the writing is on the wall.

I have Z7 with 24-70S and adaptor. I also still have my D850, but my plan is getting rid of F lenses as soon as they’ve been replaced acceptable S substitutes. So, I’m going to sell my 24-70 2.8 VR, 35 1.4, 50 1.4 (I wonder why I still have this because I really, really hate that lens!) and to get 85 ja 50 mm 1.8 S.

I’m not too fond of the adaptor, so my D850 will take care of the longer reach. Not planning to purchase any new F glass – or D body.

I like my Z7, but I’m not fooling myself by thinking it anything else than temporary solution. The love will rust as soon as pro Zs are available. GAS!
 
yesJacquesC said:
eliehbk said:
Hey Jacques, I need a portrait lens that is not too big and heavy and therefore would prefer a 85mm 1.8 lens.

Do you recommend the FS lens or to wait for the upcoming Z one?

Thanks!

E.
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The 85 1.8G works very well on my Z7 and I don't think I will replace it with a Z version.

If I did NOT already have it then I would consider getting the Z version when it comes out if the price difference is not too great.
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Now that I have my Z6 and loving it I am going to sell my D7500 and D700. I also add on a Fuji X100F leaf shutter camera to replace a second Z6. In fact, I have a second Z6 sitting here still in the box unopened I am taking back for a refund as the Fuji fills its need at half the cost and is smaller and lighter. The big plus is the leaf shutter. Amazing what I can do with that for outdoor portraits.

Will keeping my D500.

Keeping all my lens for now but will sell my 70-200 F4 and get the new version of it when it is out.

My 85 and 50mm G 1.8 lens work great on the adaptor both small and lite so I can not see paying more for the new versions of them at all. In fact, they focus better on the Z6 than on any of my other DSLRs making them even better than before.

I may sell my older 180 2.8 as well when I get the new 70-200 if that happens.

My current older 24-70 2.8 non-VR works great with the adaptor as well so keeping it I see no need for a new version of it everything is tack sharp could not ask for any better.

I did not order the F4 version as I have no need for an F4 version.

Keeping our Nikon DX 17-55 to use on the D500 for my wife as a second shooter at weddings.

May sell a wide Tamron lens I have for DX that is a very nice lens and get one of the wide ones for the Z6 when it comes out but only if the price is not to high otherwise the Tamron works great on my D500 a 10-24mm. Not going to pay an arm and leg for a Nikon version when I do not need it and would not see any benefit to it.

If the new Nikon 70-200 is not smaller and lighter then I will not buy it or if it is a stupid high price then forget it and I will get a Sigma 135mm in its place for portraits and just keep my F4 version that is lite in comparison. So the new 70-200 needs to be in the same price range for the Sigma 135 and what I can get for my F4 70-200 version selling it.

Keeping my Nikon J5 and V2 setup still an amazing system that can smoke my D500 for outdoor sports and activities. The Z6 being FF cannot touch it for zoom range and image quality. Even as good as the Z6 is the J5 produces still sharper images with the same lens outdoors.
 
Very happy with the Z6 and native 24-70--just sold my DX stuff except a couple fast primes. I'm down now to the Z6 and, for travelling even lighter, the N1v3 along with several CX lenses incl the most excellent nano-coated 70-300. When an S zoom comes along with that range, will probably sell the CX as well.

Terry
 
Interesting! I can’t yet go all in - I need the range of lenses I have for what I shoot. I got the full Z6 24-70 and FTZ kit. I sold a D600 and a 28-300. The D600 didn’t get much use except as a back up to my D750 and the 28-300 similarly got little use as I rarely walk round with my Nikon’s. I have an X100F plus adapters for walk round and for when silent shooting is needed for music.

i got the 24-70s Z lens as it’s such a good price in the kit and might prove to be a handy walk round option with the Z6. At the price I can always sell it later for no loss or even a small profit.

So im half in. I’ve yet to find out if the Z replaces or complements the D750. For me the much quieter shutter and lots of focus points are big pluses. Not yet sure about tracking AF - although the 750 does that well the focus points are too packed in the centre of the frame - I sometimes use DX framing to get round that. The EVF on the 6 is amazing and the ovf of the 750 looks dull by comparison.

So ive still got 18-35, 24-70, 70-200 zooms plus 28, 50 and 85 1.8 primes. If I was going all in and selling all F lenses I would have had to consider the Sony A7iii with its rather more superior tracking and eye af for what I shoot although the 6 is Nikon through and through and just feels right.

i love my X100f - wish Nikon would do something like it - but the Z has cured me of any lingering thoughts about Fuji ILCs. And it’s interesting and a bit surprising that several here are ditching their Fuji kit.
 
I really like my Z6 / 24-70 and even have the 50 1.8S on order but there is no way in heck I am dumping a money earning system I have used for over 30 years that ties in both film and digital as seamlessly as it does.

The Z is merely a tool added to a bunch of them for me, not the centerpiece by any means and never will be.
 
VBLondon said:
I've done something I never thought I would until I'd spent a few days with my Z6 - sold all my AF-S lenses (10 of them, including the 2.8 zoom trio and 3 f1.4 primes). I've kept my Df and a few AF-Ds, which aren't worth much, as a back-up, and to provide a fill-in until more Z lenses are available.

My motivations were

- I really, really liked the Z6 and 24-70

- I really didn't like the Adaptor. Functionally I know it's fine, it's just not to my taste. It's big and clunky and the combination of F-mount lens and Adaptor and Z6 just doesn't look right to me.

- Used prices for F mount lenses are unaffected today by the Z. I have a feeling they will decline - maybe not next year but at some time. Some of my AF-S lenses were over 10 years old, most over 6-10 years old, so they've given me a useful life

- I have a budget now to buy new S lenses as they arrive.....

Has anyone else contemplated this?

If I had the money, I would love to have kept them, and one day added a D5 or D850. It's great gear. But realistically I'm only going to do a meaningful amount of shooting with one body, and that's going to be a Z in the future.
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Aside from a couple of AI lenses, my only two lenses were the 24-70 2.8 G and 80-200 2.8 AF-D.

I love the D4 and use it mostly with the 24-70 2.8. Had stopped using the 80-200 2.8 as the AF was not really suited to what I was doing (horse racing) compared to the 24-70 and I am pretty close to the action, so the 24-70 was getting more use.

Managed to sell the 80-200 2.8 last week, as it is still a fine lens for static shots and I did actually sell it for only USD120 less than I bought it for, four years ago.

AF-D lenses are on their way out, with the Z system in, so that was another consideration.

If I were staying shooting what I am now, I would likely look more seriously at the 70-200 2.8 E, due to its superior focus and optics compared to the 80-200 AF-D that I had, but things are planned that will change what I shoot and I expect to be doing more street photography than anything else, soonish. So the D4 and 24-70 2.8 will transition to that quite nicely.

Am quite happy with what I have now, but able to move into Z system if I want to, later on, without any wholesale selling off etc. Likely my next camera / lens combination will be a Z series, later on, especially if the Z series lenses prove to be optically as good as the mount promises.

I expect that all F mount lenses will fall a bit in price next July, when the roadmap shows more Z lenses as being issued. Probably Nikon will start discounting current F Mount lenses sometime March or April anyway, prior to the release of a bunch of Z series (S) lenses, so as you plan to move fully to the Z system, you sold at just the right time.

As you know AFS G lenses can be used with the adapter and that is what I would do if I had to replace my D4 with a Z6. But, if the optics in the S lenses prove to be as good as is inferred, the S lenses will take over from the F mount lenses, in popularity.

Enjoy.

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Wishing You Good Light.
 
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Your D7200 is an excellent camera, and I'm not sure the noise level at higher ISO's is any better, in fact, it may be better than my Z7. I was surprised that a full-frame camera would not perform any better than it has so far with regards to noise.



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these are all jpegs straight out of the camera, a Z7 shot in FX, Z7 in DX, and D7200
 
I made some first tests with the z6 and 24-70 S and 24-70 f2.8G also compared to D750 with the same 24-70 f2.8G.

at the moment it looks like that on a z6 the 24-70G is better than my 24-70S - also in the corners.

but there is a surpise: the 24-70G on a Z6 has better IQ, than the same 24-70G on the D750... The corners are better. I don´t know why …

I have to do more tests ….
 
Having shot the Z6 at a couple of gigs (and a Z7 at one) I am revising my opinion.

Overall I am very pleased with the 6. For my kind of shooting it is a step up from the 750. The tracking works (there are quite a few shots using tracking but I used single AF as well) in these kinds of conditions and since there are more focus points its much easier than on the 750 to both get focus and frame - on the 750 there are not enough points and by keeping the subject in the focus area you lose flexibility on framing. Single point is comparable but again because of the number of points across the frame you can avoid focus and re-compose much more easily.

I also have the slight feeling that sharpness is just a bit better - that might be to do with the on sensor focussing and the fact that I haven't got round to adjusting the focus on the 750 to each lens.

I am pleasantly surprised - the 6 is much more fun to shoot with and I think I got a few shots that would have been harder to catch with the 750 while at the same time getting focus.

At this rate and again a bit surprising I will be going all in on the Z eventually. Although I know there are things that the DSLR can do - mainly tracking high speed movement in sports etc that the current Zeds can't do but I don't need that. The benefits of silent/quiet shutter and many focus points across the frame are the main things for me. Plus adequate tracking (slightly awkward to set up but not a deal breaker).

So the question is whether to sell the D750. I'll probably hold off for the moment. I have the 24-70 and 70-200 2.8 F zooms which perform fine on the 6/FTZ so I will not rush to swap them when the S ones come out. I also have 28/50 and 85 1.8 F primes which again I won't rush to swap.

What I'm feeling is that I'll be carrying on the way I normally shoot - mainly either with the big zooms or with the prime set. The primes feel really good on the Z or with the S 24-70 as a walk round. So my transition will probably be gradual. Sell the D750 at some point and get a second Z6 or even just keep the 750 as the second body. Buy no more F lenses and fill out the set with S lenses as they arrive - probably the 35 1.8 as I miss having one and then the 14-30 to compliment the 24-70 S. I won't be getting the big S 2.8 zooms as the benefit in performance won't out weigh the cost difference for what I do.

Exciting (and expensive) times!

My gig shoot last night:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/56656997@N05/albums/72157674315569657
 
I've had my Z6 for a couple of weeks now and while I don't plan on going all-in on Z-mount lenses, I am going to try to take advantage by building up a proper full-frame Nikon lens collection on the used market. I've always had a weird mixture of lenses, basically those which I could afford at the time I wanted them, so I never had a good coverage of focal lengths with quality glass.

The FTZ adapter doesn't bother me at all and I actually find it to be a good holding point with my left hand.

I fully expect the "holy trinity" 2.8 lenses to be well north of $2k, which I can't afford, so I'll buy their f-mount predecessors for a good used price. I already have a 24-70 2.8G coming this week and can't wait for it.
 
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