Fuji XT-100 as beginner photography camera?

Go ahead with this BFriday promotion which is anexcellent starting point The really downside of the camera is the AF as compared to T20 See the review at DPR
I have shown many times now the x-t100 to be a potent camera, it is extremely accurate in its focus acquisition, why dpr found it like it did and others is a mystery, but in real world applications it is hard to tell the x-t2 and the x-t100 apart, incl c-af!
 
If budget is not a problem [within reason of course] I'd go for an X-T20 with an 18-55mm f/2.8-f/4.

Both body and lens offer superior features and more room to 'grow' into photography if she chooses to go that way.
In what single way is that then?

The x-t100 has better bracketing options for a start and I am trying to rack my brain which features are superior on an x-t20 exactly.
Gee Sam,

I guess it's well known that you see the X-T100 as just about the best camera ever [for the moment at least] ;-)

A few areas where the X-T20 might be seen as superior?:

X Trans 3 processor versus a budget no-name processor.
Irrelevent, is it responsive, yes, it’s the same as the all the other Fuji’s bar probably x-t3 which I have never tested!
Video....that's a given
1080p is actually very good, who really goes around shooting loads of 4K and dealing with those crazy video files! Try playing 1080 on a 4K screen, they are almost indistinguishable!
Continuous focus...another given
Nope, it isn’t
Faster burst mode
8 vs 6, big wow
Bigger Jpeg buffer,
it shoots 30 odd jpegs in burst!
More focus points
the x-t100 has great coverag, better than many if not all DSLR, do they complain
Wider ISO range
really, in what context, it goes from iso100 to 25600
Function button program-ability ...I remember doing a count a while ago I think it was 7 or 8 on the X-T20 versus 1
I prefer the af/my function button on the screen over every single camera I have owned, it is infinitely better than that stupid dial on the front! What about the programmable dial on the top left, the fan buttons on the screen, not including the af/my one, come get real
Form factor...the X-T20 has a sensible grip and tactile feel versus virtually no grip [even with the dinky screw on thing attached] and a slippery body.
No way, the x-t100looks so much nicer than the x-t20 it’s a bit of an ugly thing to look at the x-t20
So my point was...if the OP's sister was to get into photography more seriously there are more options in the X-T20
There are not and when it all comes down to it, the x-t100 has something the others will never have!
 
Go ahead with this BFriday promotion which is anexcellent starting point The really downside of the camera is the AF as compared to T20 See the review at DPR
I have shown many times now the x-t100 to be a potent camera, it is extremely accurate in its focus acquisition, why dpr found it like it did and others is a mystery, but in real world applications it is hard to tell the x-t2 and the x-t100 apart, incl c-af!
The trouble is you are literally the only user or reviewer of this camera to say that, or even suggest it. Even you must see that calls your testimony into doubt. It doesn’t matter how many times you say it (and you have said it many times), not a single solitary soul seems to agree with you.

There are other happy users of the camera certainly, but not one of them (aside from you) has suggested that the XT100 competes with the XT2 for c-af. Most seem to say the opposite. Why is that Sam?

In your next post you suggest that the XT100’s 1080p video is “very good”. I’ve seen the samples, it’s very easy for YouTube reviewers to demonstrate the reality of what you consider to be “very good”. Again, “very good” doesn’t seem to be the phrase tripping off anybody else’s tongue.
 
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Go ahead with this BFriday promotion which is anexcellent starting point The really downside of the camera is the AF as compared to T20 See the review at DPR
I have shown many times now the x-t100 to be a potent camera, it is extremely accurate in its focus acquisition, why dpr found it like it did and others is a mystery, but in real world applications it is hard to tell the x-t2 and the x-t100 apart, incl c-af!
The trouble is you are literally the only user or reviewer of this camera to say that, or even suggest it. Even you must see that calls your testimony into doubt. It doesn’t matter how many times you say it (and you have said it many times), not a single solitary soul seems to agree with you.

There are other happy users of the camera certainly, but not one of them (aside from you) has suggested that the XT100 competes with the XT2 for c-af. Most seem to say the opposite. Why is that Sam?

In your next post you suggest that the XT100’s 1080p video is “very good”. I’ve seen the samples, it’s very easy for YouTube reviewers to demonstrate the reality of what you consider to be “very good”. Again, “very good” doesn’t seem to be the phrase tripping off anybody else’s tongue.
He does also consider the touch screen as great too which I find highly amusing. You have to give it to Sony that they only go as far in this technology as they can actually cope with and leave it at touch focus. Nice to see someone enthusiastic about their kit but there are limits.

As to focusing speed and lens sharpness on DPR in general it does get in to a binary assessment of the qualities much of the time.

The rules are:

1. If one camera focuses faster than another camera by whatever degree however small the former is a fast focusing camera and the latter slow focusing.

2 If one lens is sharper than another lens by whatever degree however small the former is a sharp lens and the latter a soft lens.

The X-T100 is a great little camera adequate for most but no need to worry if you have bought an X-T2 I would have thought.

Best of luck to the OP trying to get a sensible answer to inter brand and model comparisons on these forums least of all from myself.
 
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Key takeaways:
  • The X-T100 performs poorly at subject and depth tracking, with hit rates well below its peers
  • The X-T100 has a 91-point autofocus system, with 35 phase-detect points in and around the center of the frame
  • Face detection is laggy, and we recommend placing a single autofocus point manually over your subject for faster and more accurate operation
  • The phase-detect coverage of 40% is on the small size compared to mirrorless competition from Canon and Sony."
and

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  • Poor autofocus for moving subjects
  • Poor face detection performance
  • Laggy interface"
from DPR review

An excellent camera for stills not fast movie subjects

Remember the review and its criteria are done vis a vis cameras of the same kind, ex the canon

Bob
 
"

Key takeaways:
  • The X-T100 performs poorly at subject and depth tracking, with hit rates well below its peers
Wrong
  • The X-T100 has a 91-point autofocus system, with 35 phase-detect points in and around the center of the frame
Where you want them, 3x3 and 5x5 are more or less what everyone uses for c-af, zone, ie you move the camera to follow the target!
  • Face detection is laggy, and we recommend placing a single autofocus point manually over your subject for faster and more accurate operation
wrong
  • The phase-detect coverage of 40% is on the small size compared to mirrorless competition from Canon and Sony."
who cares, I want to track with zone 3x3 and 5x5 and it works admirably, I haven’t seen much bif from you, maybe you can demonstrate some action shots!
and

"
  • Poor autofocus for moving subjects
No, wrong
  • Poor face detection performance
wrong
  • Laggy interface"
nope, wrong
from DPR review

An excellent camera for stills not fast movie subjects
well 90% on this forum aren’t even interested in anything that moves faster than a snail anyway so they’ll be fine!
Remember the review and its criteria are done vis a vis cameras of the same kind, ex the canon

Bob
 
"

Key takeaways:
  • The X-T100 performs poorly at subject and depth tracking, with hit rates well below its peers
Wrong
  • The X-T100 has a 91-point autofocus system, with 35 phase-detect points in and around the center of the frame
Where you want them, 3x3 and 5x5 are more or less what everyone uses for c-af, zone, ie you move the camera to follow the target!
  • Face detection is laggy, and we recommend placing a single autofocus point manually over your subject for faster and more accurate operation
wrong
  • The phase-detect coverage of 40% is on the small size compared to mirrorless competition from Canon and Sony."
who cares, I want to track with zone 3x3 and 5x5 and it works admirably, I haven’t seen much bif from you, maybe you can demonstrate some action shots!
and

"
  • Poor autofocus for moving subjects
No, wrong
  • Poor face detection performance
wrong
  • Laggy interface"
nope, wrong
from DPR review

An excellent camera for stills not fast movie subjects
well 90% on this forum aren’t even interested in anything that moves faster than a snail anyway so they’ll be fine!
Remember the review and its criteria are done vis a vis cameras of the same kind, ex the canon

Bob
What are you yourself comparing the X-T100 with?

I find even the X-A3 OK for my uses and was pleasantly surprised at its performance given the dire number crunching comparisons which can make a perfectly useful camera look completely useless but I would not imagine for a minute it would stand up to an X-T2 or 3.

I think your not giving any slack on a perceived superlative performance of the X-T100 is probably not helping people assess the camera and is some ways is as extreme as the slagging in the reviews but in the opposite direction.

That Fujifilm do not compromise on IQ but put less powerful processing in the cheaper kit seems to be the way it works to me.
 
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Key takeaways:
  • The X-T100 performs poorly at subject and depth tracking, with hit rates well below its peers
Wrong
  • The X-T100 has a 91-point autofocus system, with 35 phase-detect points in and around the center of the frame
Where you want them, 3x3 and 5x5 are more or less what everyone uses for c-af, zone, ie you move the camera to follow the target!
  • Face detection is laggy, and we recommend placing a single autofocus point manually over your subject for faster and more accurate operation
wrong
  • The phase-detect coverage of 40% is on the small size compared to mirrorless competition from Canon and Sony."
who cares, I want to track with zone 3x3 and 5x5 and it works admirably, I haven’t seen much bif from you, maybe you can demonstrate some action shots!
and

"
  • Poor autofocus for moving subjects
No, wrong
  • Poor face detection performance
wrong
  • Laggy interface"
nope, wrong
from DPR review

An excellent camera for stills not fast movie subjects
well 90% on this forum aren’t even interested in anything that moves faster than a snail anyway so they’ll be fine!
Remember the review and its criteria are done vis a vis cameras of the same kind, ex the canon

Bob
What are you yourself comparing the X-T100 with?
Name any m43 camera over the last 9/10 years, I have had them all just about!

Any Sony aps slt/milc incl slt57/68, nex, a6k, a6.5k!

Fuji x-pro2,x-t2, x-t20
I find even the X-A3 OK for my uses and was pleasantly surprised at its performance given the dire number crunching comparisons which can make a perfectly useful camera look completely useless but I would not imagine for a minute it would stand up to an X-T2 or 3.
Well, I think you might find x-t100 is no slouch.
I think your not giving any slack on a perceived superlative performance of the X-T100 is probably not helping people assess the camera and is some ways is as extreme as the slagging in the reviews but in the opposite direction.
Well it’s annoying, most read reviews and that’s it, they don’t ever try anything for themselves!
That Fujifilm do not compromise on IQ but put less powerful processing in the cheaper kit seems to be the way it works to me.
I can only tell it how I find it, I prefer the x-t100 to Pana G9 and Sony a6500, I love Pana with a passion but the pd-af of the x-t100 is more assured and more reliable than the G9 in my hands and that’s what counts to me!

 
If the processor had no impact on the camera then fair enough, the name (or lack thereof) would be immaterial. But in the case of the XT100 that’s clearly not the case.

Objectively the XT100 has slower overall performance, slower and less confident autofocus (particularly tracking), and considerably worse video than most other cameras in the range. All of that can be attributed to the “no name” processor.
I'm of the opinion that it's the same processor, clocked down in FW. Why spend R&D on making a slower processor? Canon and Nikon have crippled hardware in their cheaper cameras. Fuji might have built-in the ability to keep the X-T100 alive for a longer model cycle through FW updates that open up performance, not unlike they did with the X-E2 that went from sluggish AF to the same speed as the X-T1.

IMO, none of this matters. The X-T100 is already faster than the X-E2 or X-T1. The same people that market names for processors proclaimed those two cameras as having the "Worlds fastest AF." In a very long line of great cameras I've owned the X-T100 is the best in IQ, AF, operation and build, and I'm making a living selling and showing large prints. It's strange that we're debating rather the camera is good enough to use in Auto mode. :)

Sal
 
Please, it’s getting a tad silly. Plenty of reviews and real world experiences support the majority opinion in this forum regarding the shortcomings, AND YES, the X-T100 has them...plenty of them. Any comment contrary to your high in the sky cheerleading is met with your unequivocal harsh response. Can’t you let anyone other than yourself give advice or an opinion you don’t agree with that isn’t met with your commercials? Please.

To the OP, great price for a beginner camera and lens. Can’t really go wrong and you will find a workflow process that can handle your needs. And then do what you want with either a RAW image in PP, or figure out a way to tweak the jpg incamera so that it doesn’t suffer from some of the shortcomings of the default settings - for all I know, the oversharpened jpg results that are evident in the dpr review and test images may not be able to be changed incamera. I am not certain-and there is tons in this forum that can be searched inseeking a more specific answer or opinion from other users. You will not receive an objective response from some involved in this thread.
 
"

Key takeaways:
  • The X-T100 performs poorly at subject and depth tracking, with hit rates well below its peers
Wrong
  • The X-T100 has a 91-point autofocus system, with 35 phase-detect points in and around the center of the frame
Where you want them, 3x3 and 5x5 are more or less what everyone uses for c-af, zone, ie you move the camera to follow the target!
  • Face detection is laggy, and we recommend placing a single autofocus point manually over your subject for faster and more accurate operation
wrong
  • The phase-detect coverage of 40% is on the small size compared to mirrorless competition from Canon and Sony."
who cares, I want to track with zone 3x3 and 5x5 and it works admirably, I haven’t seen much bif from you, maybe you can demonstrate some action shots!
and

"
  • Poor autofocus for moving subjects
No, wrong
  • Poor face detection performance
wrong
  • Laggy interface"
nope, wrong
from DPR review

An excellent camera for stills not fast movie subjects
well 90% on this forum aren’t even interested in anything that moves faster than a snail anyway so they’ll be fine!
Remember the review and its criteria are done vis a vis cameras of the same kind, ex the canon

Bob
What are you yourself comparing the X-T100 with?
Name any m43 camera over the last 9/10 years, I have had them all just about!

Any Sony aps slt/milc incl slt57/68, nex, a6k, a6.5k!

Fuji x-pro2,x-t2, x-t20
I find even the X-A3 OK for my uses and was pleasantly surprised at its performance given the dire number crunching comparisons which can make a perfectly useful camera look completely useless but I would not imagine for a minute it would stand up to an X-T2 or 3.
Well, I think you might find x-t100 is no slouch.
I have one and it is OK. I prefer the X-A3 in some ways as three buttons on the X-T100 have wandered to the top and opposite ends of the camera. Presumably to handle the indent to the screen lift point but it does make it less pleasant to operate.

If the EVF is not a requirement the X-A5 is a good choice I would think.

Luckily I got the X-A3 for £349 new with the 16-50 and the 15-45 is great as a wide angel travel lens but then the 16-50 with its manual zoom and longer focal length and larger actual aperture at full zoom gains an edge in poor light and for subject separation.

Often if I want fuss free operation I pick up the X-A3/16-50 rather than the X-T100/15-45.

Win some lose some always whatever you do.
I think your not giving any slack on a perceived superlative performance of the X-T100 is probably not helping people assess the camera and is some ways is as extreme as the slagging in the reviews but in the opposite direction.
Well it’s annoying, most read reviews and that’s it, they don’t ever try anything for themselves!
That Fujifilm do not compromise on IQ but put less powerful processing in the cheaper kit seems to be the way it works to me.
I can only tell it how I find it, I prefer the x-t100 to Pana G9 and Sony a6500, I love Pana with a passion but the pd-af of the x-t100 is more assured and more reliable than the G9 in my hands and that’s what counts to me!

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61962282
 
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Please, it’s getting a tad silly. Plenty of reviews and real world experiences support the majority opinion in this forum regarding the shortcomings, AND YES, the X-T100 has them...plenty of them. Any comment contrary to your high in the sky cheerleading is met with your unequivocal harsh response. Can’t you let anyone other than yourself give advice or an opinion you don’t agree with that isn’t met with your commercials? Please.

To the OP, great price for a beginner camera and lens. Can’t really go wrong and you will find a workflow process that can handle your needs. And then do what you want with either a RAW image in PP, or figure out a way to tweak the jpg incamera so that it doesn’t suffer from some of the shortcomings of the default settings - for all I know, the oversharpened jpg results that are evident in the dpr review and test images may not be able to be changed incamera. I am not certain-and there is tons in this forum that can be searched inseeking a more specific answer or opinion from other users. You will not receive an objective response from some involved in this thread.
Post your touch focus and start up results, we’ll move on to real world caf later, you can start posting your action shots if you want?

 
Sorry, won’t buy into what you are doing. I have my gear, love it and will tell anyone how great I think it is. Just yesterday was shooting outside and two people wanted to talk shop regarding my X-T2 and lens. Lots of questions and these fellas are getting out of m43. Another solid ambassadorial discussion. Fuji really is top notch.
 
Sorry, won’t buy into what you are doing. I have my gear, love it and will tell anyone how great I think it is. Just yesterday was shooting outside and two people wanted to talk shop regarding my X-T2 and lens. Lots of questions and these fellas are getting out of m43. Another solid ambassadorial discussion. Fuji really is top notch.
Well Sir, I love my gear too and I can’t get any more sincere than what I am! I await others af touch focus testing indoor into a window, low shutter, low ambient light!
 
A few areas where the X-T20 might be seen as superior:
  • X Trans 3 processor versus a budget no-name processor.
Yes, research shows that those who insist on giving the components in their cameras names take better photos. The flash in my X-T100 is now known as Bruce.
Is your flash not named Bruce?
  • Video....that's a given
  • Continuous focus...another given
  • Faster burst mode
  • Bigger JPEG buffer
  • More focus points
  • Wider ISO range
  • Function button program-ability
  • Form factor...the X-T20 has a sensible grip
Imaging-resource.com measured autofocus speed of the X-T20 at .2 second, and of the X-A5 at .3 second, so not very different. They hadn't measured the X-T100 last time I looked. The X-T2 and X-T3 are faster.

I feel 4K video is mostly useful for frame grabs, but I supposed you are almost as likely to get a good frame at 15 frames/second as at 30.

One thing I prefer about the X-T100 is the PASM dial, which gives quick access to Sunset mode and other features I find useful. I also like the programmable dial on the left top.

Bottom line, the X-T20 kit with 18-55/2.8-5 costs $999 while the X-T100 kit with 15-45/3.5-5.6 costs $599 USD. The 18-55 is worth a few hundred dollars more, but not $400 more.

I was surprised how low priced the Nikon D5300 is. You can get a kit with two lenses, normal and telephoto zoom, for less than the X-T100 kit. I hadn't been considering DSLR models, but that is a great value.
 
Go ahead with this BFriday promotion which is anexcellent starting point The really downside of the camera is the AF as compared to T20 See the review at DPR
I have shown many times now the x-t100 to be a potent camera, it is extremely accurate in its focus acquisition, why dpr found it like it did and others is a mystery, but in real world applications it is hard to tell the x-t2 and the x-t100 apart, incl c-af!
DPreview does not provide any objective measurements of single-shot autofocus speed, which is why I look at imaging-resource.com for these numbers. As I posted above, the X-T20 is not significantly faster than the X-A5, which might or might not be the same as the X-T100. The X-T3 is faster, especially for tracking.
 
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I would say yes, it’s a great body to start with. Especially, for that good of a price. In other words it’s at a price point where if the person doesn’t like it, it’s no big deal and you can move on with your lives with out spending too much on the investment.
 
I would say yes, it’s a great body to start with.
The fact it is cheap is for several reasons;

Fuji priced it that way deliberately, bit of a game changer and they wanted to be in that space.

Fuji are not using xtrans which is a customised sensor and presumably costs more to make.

They allegedly have a cheaper processor board, the lack of 4k24p is a bit weird though!

Anyway, that does not mean it isn’t as good or better than other Fuji cameras, in the most key of areas, sensor, we are talking about a sensor which is highly iso invariant and has shadows that Canon bodies only ever wish they could have, in the shadows alone it is in another league to Nikon z6 and z7. In many respects the only 3 cameras I would consider switching too from the X-t100 is D850/a7r3 which would allow me to mix and match FF and aps crop in one body. But, 1 I ain’t in any hurry to go FF and 2 I would not move to DSLR, that leaves the x-t3 as an outlier for me, but over which I still have serious doubts re xtrans, however, I do keep checking raw samples, but who knows, for now though Fuji lens work really well on X-t100 and the 10-24 is almost permanently attached!
Especially, for that good of a price. In other words it’s at a price point where if the person doesn’t like it, it’s no big deal and you can move on with your lives with out spending too much on the investment.
I would agree with this sentiment, in fact I would suggest everyone adds and x-t100 to their options.
 
Well, I think you might find x-t100 is no slouch.
I have one and it is OK. I prefer the X-A3 in some ways as three buttons on the X-T100 have wandered to the top and opposite ends of the camera. Presumably to handle the indent to the screen lift point but it does make it less pleasant to operate. If the EVF is not a requirement the X-A5 is a good choice I would think.
Interesting! I prefer the look of the X-A5, especially the "pink" one that looks somewhat red.

But the viewfinder on the X-T100 costs only about $50 more, and doesn't make the camera too tall to fit in my Pelican box, so it seems worthwhile.
Luckily I got the X-A3 for £349 new with the 16-50 and the 15-45 is great as a wide angel travel lens but then the 16-50 with its manual zoom and longer focal length and larger actual aperture at full zoom gains an edge in poor light and for subject separation.
Aren't they both f/5.6 at the long end? Maybe you mean that towards the long end, the 15-45 stops down sooner as it zooms.

The 16-50/3.5-5.6 lens is easy to buy used, especially if you are willing to accept silver.
 
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What you’ve proposed would be fine. However, do consider that you are experienced with the a6000 series and could potentially help your sister navigate the system and photography more easily if you have a shared system. I believe the a6000 even with a few years working against it is the superior performer in af and overall speed.
I currently shoot with Sony a6500 but I am looking for a good photography camera for my sister who has never had a camera before.

Currently, in the UK you can buy Fuji X-T100 (with 15-45 kit lens) for £519 direct from Amazon, and there is a £135 black Friday cashback, making this setup £384. This seems like a great price.

I would like to know if there are better alternatives at this price point? This seems to have generally good reviews from amateurs, and some negatives I have read about are slow AF and excessive noise reduction on JPEGS?

Her main requirements are portability (as she intends to use for travel), and flip screen, both of which this camera satisfies. She doesn't care much about video. Budget is not an issue and she was happy to spend a lot more on a setup, but I think as a first/travel camera this offers good price-performance ratio.

Would be much appreciate to get some of your expert advice!
 

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