Lx100 ii and the Leica D-Lux 7

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Is there any difference between these two cameras other than the name? The new Leica costs $200 more than the Panasonic so one would think that there is some improvement. However, it looks like the exact same camera with a different name. Is there anything to justify the price difference?

Regards, Dave
 
I think that the Leica looks more retro. But from what I have seen, I'm not as fond of the controls on the lens barrel. There is also no hand grip. I suspect that the internals of the camera are identical.
 
Is there any difference between these two cameras other than the name? The new Leica costs $200 more than the Panasonic so one would think that there is some improvement. However, it looks like the exact same camera with a different name. Is there anything to justify the price difference?

Regards, Dave
First I've heard about this.

The Leica type 109 was the Leica version of the Panasonic LX100 and I didn't know Leica had come out with their version of the LX100 II, yet.

The Leica D-Lux 6 is a camera that was based on the Panasonic LX7 so it surprises me that Leica would name their new LX100 II clone the D-Lux 7.

I could be wrong but it sounds like you may have your camera models mixed up.
 
Oddly enough, DPR has this camera shown under the Panasonic heading.

To address the OP's question re: justify the $200, I believe you're paying for the red dot.
 
Is there any difference between these two cameras other than the name? The new Leica costs $200 more than the Panasonic so one would think that there is some improvement. However, it looks like the exact same camera with a different name. Is there anything to justify the price difference?

Regards, Dave
First I've heard about this.

The Leica type 109 was the Leica version of the Panasonic LX100 and I didn't know Leica had come out with their version of the LX100 II, yet.

The Leica D-Lux 6 is a camera that was based on the Panasonic LX7 so it surprises me that Leica would name their new LX100 II clone the D-Lux 7.

I could be wrong but it sounds like you may have your camera models mixed up.
Nope, it is named the Leica D-Lux 7, strange as that may seam:


Regards, Dave
 
I think that the Leica looks more retro. But from what I have seen, I'm not as fond of the controls on the lens barrel. There is also no hand grip. I suspect that the internals of the camera are identical.
I missed the fact that the Leica doesn't have a grip. The grip on the Pany is small, but it would make holding the camera easier. I also notice that the Leica has a 4K button on the top plate whereas the Pany does not. My main question is whether the Leica has better IQ, even though it looks like it has the same lens as the Pany?

Regards, Dave
 
I can't speak from experience, but I think image quality is the same. I really would not like to handle a camera as expensive as this one without a hand grip. As to 4K, that really isn't a big issue. I've programmed one of my LX100's function buttons to the 4K photo mode. So, I can toggle between 4K and 1080. I'll do the same when I get my LX100 ii.
 
I can't speak from experience, but I think image quality is the same. I really would not like to handle a camera as expensive as this one without a hand grip. As to 4K, that really isn't a big issue. I've programmed one of my LX100's function buttons to the 4K photo mode. So, I can toggle between 4K and 1080. I'll do the same when I get my LX100 ii.
I completely agree. I actually would not want any camera without some sort of grip. I put a Sony grip on my RX100 iii because it was just too slippery without it. I pointed out the 4K button only to show a difference with the Pany, but it would only be important to me if it was an FN button that could be reprogrammed. At this point I can only see negatives (the extra cost and lack of a grip) and no real positives in relationship to the LX100 ii.

Regards, Dave
 
But you would have the bragging rights to say that you own a Leica camera.
 
Is there any difference between these two cameras other than the name? The new Leica costs $200 more than the Panasonic so one would think that there is some improvement. However, it looks like the exact same camera with a different name. Is there anything to justify the price difference?

Regards, Dave
First I've heard about this.

The Leica type 109 was the Leica version of the Panasonic LX100 and I didn't know Leica had come out with their version of the LX100 II, yet.

The Leica D-Lux 6 is a camera that was based on the Panasonic LX7 so it surprises me that Leica would name their new LX100 II clone the D-Lux 7.

I could be wrong but it sounds like you may have your camera models mixed up.
Nope, it is named the Leica D-Lux 7, strange as that may seam:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/52407...th-4k-video-and-a-24-75mm-equiv-f1-7-2-8-lens

Regards, Dave
Yes, strange--------but it looks like you're 100% right and the fact that DPR listed this camera with the Panasonic cameras is even more confusing.
 
Jpeg outputs have always been different since Digilux 1/LC5 in 2002 till D-Lux 109/LX100 in 2014 so i would not be surprised if D-Lux 7 and LX100-II have the same difference in 2018. I have no experience with either cameras though.
Best,
LCT
 
Just watched a video on YouTube that outlines the similarities and differences between the two cameras. If the video is correct, the Leica weighs more and gets 10 more pictures on a battery charge.
 
They have same raw format files (Panasonic format, not the dgn that Leica uses) and both are now made in China. They both has the same dust issue on previous versions, so the difference is the warranty on the cameras as Panasonic has 3 years now:

https://shop.panasonic.com/3-year-warranty
You believed that dishonest Panasonic PR headline and you were had (as was I during my last Panasonic purchase.) Here is what the fine print shows: for limited models only, you GET ONLY ONE FREE WARRANTY SERVICE IN YEARS 2 AND 3 WITH PANASONIC.

If you read actual customer reviews you see that Panasonic's QC has gone down the toilet at their Chinese factories, meaning that strict manufacturing tolerances are not adhered to and that even the most basic QC/QA protocols like sensor/lens alignement checks are not performed.

Note also that the main Panasonic repair center in McAllen, TX has a truly horrendous record of denying warranty coverage, invoking bogus claims of "customer abuse, use in dusty environments, etc." across pretty much all product lines.

Both cams are almost certainly made at the same Panasonic Chinese factory. I cannot speak to Leica warranty, but if it does truly cover sensor/lens dust issues for a full 3 years then getting the Leica version is a no-brainer.
 
The Leica rebranded version is typically manufactured in Japan
They have same raw format files (Panasonic format, not the dgn that Leica uses) and both are now made in China. They both has the same dust issue on previous versions, so the difference is the warranty on the cameras as Panasonic has 3 years now:

https://shop.panasonic.com/3-year-warranty
You believed that dishonest Panasonic PR headline and you were had (as was I during my last Panasonic purchase.) Here is what the fine print shows: for limited models only, you GET ONLY ONE FREE WARRANTY SERVICE IN YEARS 2 AND 3 WITH PANASONIC.

If you read actual customer reviews you see that Panasonic's QC has gone down the toilet at their Chinese factories, meaning that strict manufacturing tolerances are not adhered to and that even the most basic QC/QA protocols like sensor/lens alignement checks are not performed.

Note also that the main Panasonic repair center in McAllen, TX has a truly horrendous record of denying warranty coverage, invoking bogus claims of "customer abuse, use in dusty environments, etc." across pretty much all product lines.

Both cams are almost certainly made at the same Panasonic Chinese factory. I cannot speak to Leica warranty, but if it does truly cover sensor/lens dust issues for a full 3 years then getting the Leica version is a no-brainer.
 
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They have same raw format files (Panasonic format, not the dgn that Leica uses) and both are now made in China. They both has the same dust issue on previous versions, so the difference is the warranty on the cameras as Panasonic has 3 years now:

https://shop.panasonic.com/3-year-warranty
You believed that dishonest Panasonic PR headline and you were had (as was I during my last Panasonic purchase.) Here is what the fine print shows: for limited models only, you GET ONLY ONE FREE WARRANTY SERVICE IN YEARS 2 AND 3 WITH PANASONIC.

If you read actual customer reviews you see that Panasonic's QC has gone down the toilet at their Chinese factories, meaning that strict manufacturing tolerances are not adhered to and that even the most basic QC/QA protocols like sensor/lens alignement checks are not performed.

Note also that the main Panasonic repair center in McAllen, TX has a truly horrendous record of denying warranty coverage, invoking bogus claims of "customer abuse, use in dusty environments, etc." across pretty much all product lines.

Both cams are almost certainly made at the same Panasonic Chinese factory. I cannot speak to Leica warranty, but if it does truly cover sensor/lens dust issues for a full 3 years then getting the Leica version is a no-brainer.
I didn't know that about the warranty. Guess I'm going to have to get out my extended warranty and read the fine print.

Have to agree that seems like more of a marketing gimmick than a warranty and I've lost some respect for Panasonic if this is a fact but I suppose even the one-time repair is better than nothing.

I know some idealist will disagree with me but I've never owned a camera that wasn't made in either Japan or Germany and have no intention of ever buying a camera made anywhere else.

Some people can say whatever they want but there is a difference and very few upper level cameras are made outside of Japan.

Now the bashing can start because I'm sure several people will disagree with me. :-)
 
Rick
They have same raw format files (Panasonic format, not the dgn that Leica uses) and both are now made in China. They both has the same dust issue on previous versions, so the difference is the warranty on the cameras as Panasonic has 3 years now:

https://shop.panasonic.com/3-year-warranty
You believed that dishonest Panasonic PR headline and you were had (as was I during my last Panasonic purchase.) Here is what the fine print shows: for limited models only, you GET ONLY ONE FREE WARRANTY SERVICE IN YEARS 2 AND 3 WITH PANASONIC.

If you read actual customer reviews you see that Panasonic's QC has gone down the toilet at their Chinese factories, meaning that strict manufacturing tolerances are not adhered to and that even the most basic QC/QA protocols like sensor/lens alignement checks are not performed.

Note also that the main Panasonic repair center in McAllen, TX has a truly horrendous record of denying warranty coverage, invoking bogus claims of "customer abuse, use in dusty environments, etc." across pretty much all product lines.

Both cams are almost certainly made at the same Panasonic Chinese factory. I cannot speak to Leica warranty, but if it does truly cover sensor/lens dust issues for a full 3 years then getting the Leica version is a no-brainer.
I didn't know that about the warranty. Guess I'm going to have to get out my extended warranty and read the fine print.

Have to agree that seems like more of a marketing gimmick than a warranty and I've lost some respect for Panasonic if this is a fact but I suppose even the one-time repair is better than nothing.

I know some idealist will disagree with me but I've never owned a camera that wasn't made in either Japan or Germany and have no intention of ever buying a camera made anywhere else.

Some people can say whatever they want but there is a difference and very few upper level cameras are made outside of Japan.

Now the bashing can start because I'm sure several people will disagree with me. :-)
 

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