YES!!!
Very well said!
You've pretty much echoed my thoughts in a really coherent, really effective way... I see working as an artist as a search for how to use your chosen medium in a way that's personal to you. The way that it may be used by someone else in order to sell something is really beside the point...
First of all, you DON'T advertise that stuff during family friendly events like football games and evening sitcoms.
You are confusing the intended end use of a picture with its inherent qualities.
I have some great photos of me and the wife at the beach at sunset and no one has ever joked that it looks like a Viagra commercial. But now I want to mock up a Viagra ad with me and the wife and post it on Facebook for giggles. Thanks.
The intended use will always come out as an inherent quality. An ad will always look like an ad, and art (no matter how amateurish) will always look like art.
It will look like an advertisement. I don't know about you, but I tune out ads, I don't admire their brilliance. If I buy fabric softener its usually because I need it and I like the smell. I'll tune out the ad either way. Ads don't interest me. They don't draw me in to question more. I don't want to know who the photographer is, I don't care, it's an AD.
I'm getting better you know, despite your slights.
And if he produces an ad, only ad companies will care. Superbowl ads are about the only exception, as people actually try to compete to be creative in those. But you'll only watch those once or twice. You'll NEVER treasure an ADVERTISEMENT like you will ARTWORK.
ART is alive.
With all due respect, I think that you're a bit naive about this art/advertisement thing. It's certainly not true that fine art photography is always well delineated from photography of a commercial nature. A photographer like Richard Avedon did both and if you were to see a retrospective of his work you'd almost certainly see various magazine photos, some done for editorial, some for fashion and some for ads along with work that he did as fine art and there wouldn't be any real way of saying which images were created for what purposes. Certainly int he eyes of museums and galleries many of his commercial images are also fine art.
Jay Maisel has an MFA. He was a very successful commercial photographer who also sells fine art prints and books of his work.
Certainly there are photographers who do both commercial and fine art work... but I'm saying that there are certain works by these folks that are made for commercial assignment that are also considered fine art. This is often, but certainly not always the case with these kinds of photographers...
The reason those ads to consumers exist is because the feds have been placing some serious restrictions on the pharms in how they can promote to doctors. Since the pharms can't send reps in with piles of samples or take doctors on golf trips anymore, they have to take the more expensive route in trying to appeal to the consumer. I hate pharm ads as well, they are all two minutes long with one minute of that being side effects, but art isn't the problem. All any pharm ad can do is show people living happy normal lives. And the only way they can now advertise is to consumers. I can see a happy couple on the beach without seeing Viagra logos just fine.
Trust you? I am guessing I am about twice your age, so I think I have probably seen enough advertising to form my own opinions without your assistance.
In the olden days, when cameras lacked EVFs, we used two popsicle sticks and a few of those robust broccoli rubber bands to fashion a DIY splint. We made do with out big pharma and we liked it!
Wow, that IS an old school ED method if I've ever heard one!
That I actually agree with. To take it a step farther, there is far too much sexual conversation and enuindo during family viewing hours.
How then will one product compete with another?
No Nobody would ever use it in a doctor’s office, except a doctor that was doing his nurse.
Like all genera of art.
Art is communication and successful communication comes from the association of ideas. Without association, communication has no context. As an established writer and photographer who needs to use these art forms to communicate to the public, I can tell you with certainty that you can't create in these mediums without reference. What you're saying is that advertising destroys art, this reliance on connection, or influence but even some of the most abstract art is connected to something that already exists.
This, if true, makes your whole argument in this thread wrong. You are complaining that using "art" in advertising ruins the art; but if "The intended use [of that art] will always come out as an inherent quality" then it can't be ruined by being used in an advert.
We're talking about the picture, not the setting in which it's placed. If a photo is well framed, well composed, well lit and well exposed and all you see is that photo, how can you tell what use is intended for it?
Here's another contradiction. If you really tuned out ads you wouldn't know what was in them; and if that were the case you wouldn't know that they used "art". And if you didn't know that you wouldn't be saying that they ruined art ...
It's not slighting to point out that someone who is still learning doesn't yet know it all yet. You will, I hope, continue "getting better" until you are good enough that you don't need to get any better.
The eye sees what's in front of it. I'm not talking about the published advertisement, I'm talking about the photograph created by the photographer before it goes to the ad agency.
I have to keep giving you credit for your efforts on trolling this forum. You're an artist.
He's messing with you mate. He has to be. Just read his artistic mission statement again. It's full of contradictions to itself and hypocrisy against his issues with advertising.
Here is where your ignorance shows. Good commercial photographers "make stuff up" al the time. Art photographers "make stuff up". You need to study more before rushing to erroneous conclusions. An artist needs an open mind to be creative. Open yours....
