Advertising has ruined the art of photography and videography

Oh boy.

Advertising/marketing hasn't changed since its inception and its as old as man itself. Imagery has been a foundation of this the entire time.

And how has it ruined the art of photography? If anything the commercialization of art in general has a bigger impact on creativity. Marketing and advertising is just a small part of that.

You take a picture and just because someone buys that image and then uses the message within that image to promote a product or service doesn't ruin photography as an art form.
Yes it does! I don't want my images used for commercial or political reasons. That dilutes the merit of the art to simply supporting a corporate or political campaign. I didn't produce the art for that.

I didn't pursue an art degree to help promote someone else's product. Art should stand on its own merit. That's important for the culture of a society to flourish.
You have a choice for it to not be used in such a way and there are legal means that you can take if it is used in this way without your permission.

If an artist wants to sell his art then it becomes a commercial property and they forfeit that right of use. But they make that choice to do so for their own needs so if you feel the need to blame someone/something than blame it on the photographers who need money to survive. Oh those destroyers of art.
Actually, I would argue that it has enhanced photography as an art form because it gives people more opportunities to produce their art. If an artist abandons creativity for commercialization of his work than that is on them but reality is, many use the money to provide themselves with security so that they can take risks with their other work.
So it's all about the income? What if the government funded more art? Like I heard the government funds anime in Japan for cultural reasons?
You're speaking from an extremely idealistic point of view, not reality. Yes it would be amazing if we could have all of the things that we want and be creative as we want but human nature doesn't allow for this because people are not inherently equal. Governments can tip the scales but is that really what you want? Absolute Marxism?
Truly experimental/creative photography is rarely consumed commercially and we live in an age of unprecedented creative expression through photography thanks to smartphones.

OP seems to just be cynical about marketing and advertising and in wanting to hear his complaints heard, he/she is linking it to a relatable topic for discussion on this site.
I'm just calling it how I see it.
Yes and your perceptions are obviously misguided. Maybe spending too much time watching TV and browsing the internet. I suggest getting out in the world, take some photographs and express your creativity. Go to a museum or a few galleries and see that there is a lot of creativity being expressed.
 
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Oh boy.

Advertising/marketing hasn't changed since its inception and its as old as man itself. Imagery has been a foundation of this the entire time.

And how has it ruined the art of photography? If anything the commercialization of art in general has a bigger impact on creativity. Marketing and advertising is just a small part of that.

You take a picture and just because someone buys that image and then uses the message within that image to promote a product or service doesn't ruin photography as an art form.
Yes it does! I don't want my images used for commercial or political reasons. That dilutes the merit of the art to simply supporting a corporate or political campaign. I didn't produce the art for that.

I didn't pursue an art degree to help promote someone else's product. Art should stand on its own merit. That's important for the culture of a society to flourish.
Actually, I would argue that it has enhanced photography as an art form because it gives people more opportunities to produce their art. If an artist abandons creativity for commercialization of his work than that is on them but reality is, many use the money to provide themselves with security so that they can take risks with their other work.
So it's all about the income? What if the government funded more art? Like I heard the government funds anime in Japan for cultural reasons?
Truly experimental/creative photography is rarely consumed commercially and we live in an age of unprecedented creative expression through photography thanks to smartphones.

OP seems to just be cynical about marketing and advertising and in wanting to hear his complaints heard, he/she is linking it to a relatable topic for discussion on this site.
I'm just calling it how I see it.
The difference between my brother and I. Today. Both being Majored in Graphic Design.

He works for a company that sells Flowers. He takes Photos. Pre-arranged. In a makeshift Studio. Of Flowers. Dead ones of course, as in a Bouquet. But the Photos of Flowers do look pretty. Even if killed. I mean "cut". "Picked".

Today I do likewise. Only my Photos are in Nature. In the Wild. Of Flowers. In their Natural Habitat. Alive. Still growing. Blooming. Blossoming.

The difference? Oh, he gets paid for doing that. I don't get paid a dime. Mine are from the Heart. Be cause I appreciate the Beauty. Of Nature. Without a "need" to kill it. And sell it. For money. In the form of Advertising and product itself.

Oh and the other difference between the Photography techniques too of course. The difference between pre-arranged and spontaneity.
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Try citing the definitive record of the English language, not some specious sources!

http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/2975?redirectedFrom=advertise#eid

advertise, v.

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Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈadvətʌɪz/, U.S. /ˈædvərˌtaɪz/Forms: ... (Show More)Frequency (in current use): Origin: A borrowing from French. Etymons: French avertiss-, avertir.Etymology: < Anglo-Norman and Middle French avertiss-, advertiss-, lengthened stem of avertir, advertir advert v. From an early date the ending was frequently either apprehended as or assimilated to -ize suffix. The formation of the verb was probably largely due to the contemporaneous existence of advertisement n., since other French verbs which reflect Latin prefixed verbs in -vertere , e.g. convertir , divertir , pervertir , were borrowed into English in their simple stem form, giving convert v., divert v., pervert v., etc. The verb shows semantic overlap with advert v., but differs from it in that its senses are chiefly causative, which reflects a prominent strand of the semantic development of French avertir . Sense4, which is unparalleled in French, is probably largely after the corresponding uses of advertisement n. and advertising n.In sense 2b after Middle French avertir (1155 in Old French in this sense), used reflexively. With the γ. forms compare -ish suffix2. The position of stress varied in early use. Pronunciations with stress either on the second or the third syllable are found in 16th- and 17th-cent. sources; in the 18th cent., pronouncing dictionaries generally indicate stress on the third syllable. This pronunciation with stress on the final syllable predominates in British pronouncing dictionaries until the mid to late 19th cent., although Smart (1857 and later editions) already records the now universal first-syllable stress, which N.E.D. (1884) still considered a ‘tendency (in commercial usage, at least)’. In U.S. usage, both Worcester (1860) and Webster (1864) similarly record the first-syllable stress, albeit as an alternative to final-syllable stress. The shift to first-syllable stress is apparently by analogy with other verbs in -ize suffix.(Show Less) 1. transitive. a. To call the attention of (a person) to something; to notify, warn, or inform, esp. in a formal or earnest manner. Now rare (poet. in later use).1426 in H. Nicolas (1834) III. 219 (MED) Þat if any of þe said lordes..here anything þat may charge any of my said lordes of Bedford or of Gloucester, þat he come and advertise þaim.1490 Caxton tr. xxiii. sig. Fviv In this place thenne wherof I telle you, as I haue be aduertised, is a right holy woman.1567 (rev. ed.) f. 22 That he my fyue brether aduerteis may.1597 T. Morley Annot. sig. ¶ If thou find any thing which shal not be to thy liking, in friendship aduertise me that I may either mend it, or scrape it out.1611 Ruth iv. 4 Naomi..selleth a parcell of land..And I thought to aduertise thee, saying, Buy it.1669 A. Marvell Let. 7 Oct. in (1971) II. 86 Be pleas'd to consider thereof and advertise me timely.1714 tr. 205 The said Merchants shall be obliged to advertise the said Judges..under the particular Fine of 500 Livres.a1856 W. Hamilton (1859) I. xvi. 305 The insect is advertised and put upon the watch.1928 A. Calder-Marshall in 7 You corpse upon time's gibbet, advertise Us mortals with your slogan of Mortality.

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b. To notify, warn (a person) of (also concerning, †against) something; to give warning or information about something. Now rare.†Also used intransitively with object implied: see quot. 1764 (obsolete).1431 (Electronic ed.) Parl. Jan. 1431 §27. m. 5 A writte to be sent to sum ordinarie, not advertised of the saide subtilite.?1464 J. Russe in (2004) II. 282 Chapman purposyth..to auertise the Kyng and my lord Tresorere ageyn me to the grettest hurt he can jmagyne.1559–66 (Wodr. Misc. 81) The Lords were advertissed of their departing.1612 W. Pye in H. Ellis (1846) 3rd Ser. IV. 170 I thought good to stay vntill I might advertyse you of the Palgraves arryvall.1681 H. Neville 8 Which hindred me from advertising you of my Distemper.1716 D. Ryder 3 Apr. (1939) (modernized text) 212 I asked my brother what to do in this case, whether to advertise my father of this.1748 T. Smollett I. vii. 47 Being advertised by me of his design.1764 H. Walpole 129 Isabella had sent one of the domestics before to advertise of their approach.1825 R. Southey in 32 383 Some prisoners..advertised the French of this terrible danger.1860 M. W. Freer I. i. i. 47 To advertise her majesty concerning his precarious position.1911 P. Gibbon vii. 119 The sound of the softly-closing door advertised them of the tiptoe departure of Dr. Jakes.

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†c. With infinitive. To warn, admonish, advise (a person) to do something. Obsolete (U.S. in later use).1449–50 (Electronic ed.) Parl. Nov. 1449 §43. m. 7 The seid duke..falsely advertised your highnesse to write to the seid shirref.1475 in C. L. Kingsford (1919) I. 158 (MED) Þat ye be of so gode disposission, to avertes and avyse me to leve all foly.a1513 R. Fabyan (1516) I. lxxxiiii. f. xxxiii The Lordes of Brytayne..aduertysed him in aduoydyng of gretter daunger to expelle & put theym out of his Realme.a1555 H. Latimer (1572) ii. f. 166 S. Paul aduertised all women to geue a good example of sadnes, sobernes, and godlynes.1639 (1870) V. 614/2 To advertish the Erle of Mar to be present.1664 J. Evelyn Kalendarium Hortense 75 in Till the cold being more intense advertise you to enclose them all together.1705 2 Apr. 2/2 Those..who have a mind to encourage the..News-Letter for another year, are hereby Advertised..to agree with John Campbell Post Master of Boston for the same.1778 J. Glover in J. Sparks (1853) II. 73 I have to..advertise the inhabitants to come and receive their moneys.1851 295 I'm sure I put down the dates;..no one has advertised me to recollect the 11th.

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†d. With prepositional phrase or that-clause as complement. To apprise, notify, warn (a person) by some means, that something is the case, etc. Obsolete.In quot. 1612 used intransitively with object implied.1454 in H. Ellis (1827) 2nd Ser. I. 118 (MED) Please youre..Hynes tobe advertised that this lande..was nevir at the poynt fynaly tobe destrued..as it is now.1481 Caxton tr. ii. xxii. sig. h5 Whan they be not aduertysed at what tyme suche tempeste shal come.c1515 Ld. Berners tr. (1882–7) lvii. 192 I was aduertysed that the .x. maryners wolde haue delyuered her in to the handes of her vncle.1595 Shakespeare v. iii. 18 We are aduertisde by our louing friends, That they doe hold their course towards Tewxburie.1612 T. Taylor (iii. 1) 550 Ministers must take heede, that they take no more vpon them, then to aduise and aduertise from the Lord.1615 R. Hamor 6 A messenger to her father [was] forthwith dispatched to aduertise him, that his only daughter was in the hands..of the English.1681 S. Colvil i. 102 And how he cited ends of Verses..At which some laugh'd, and some were vex'd, Ye'l be advertis'd by the next.1723 H. Rowlands xi. 167 It is requisite here to advertise the Reader, that the Accounts I give of these two Families are principally owing to our British Manuscripts.1785 T. Martyn tr. J.-J. Rousseau ii. 34 The young Botanist should be advertised that these Silicles..differ much in their form.1844 11 He was advertised by friends in England, that the hopes..of bringing about a peace, were greatly increased by the prospect of General Harrison's election.1850 J. S. Blackie tr. Æschylus II. 325 It would be unfair not to advertise the English reader that this fine sentiment is a translation.

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†2. a. transitive. To take note of, attend to, notice, observe (a thing); = advert v. 2a. Obsolete.▸ ?a1439 Lydgate (Bodl. 263) vi. l. 1455 (MED) But he list nat aduertise ther praieere.1451 Petition in (2004) II. 529 Aduertisyng the greet mischeves that this noble roialme hath oftyn standyn in for the greet extorcyons and oppressions.a1513 R. Fabyan (1516) I. lxiiii. f. xxiiiv Liuius Gallus aduertysynge this myschief and the great daunger that the Romaynes were in, Drewe backe into the Cytie.a1533 J. Frith (?1548) sig. Bviiv Aduertisyng the kindines of God & our promise in baptisme.1606 L. Bryskett 252 Yet is it to be aduertised, that it is in diuers respects that they be so exercised.

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b. transitive (reflexive). To turn one's attention to, note. Obsolete. rare.c1450 (▸?c1425) E. Hull tr. (1995) 193 And [in] that oþer syde y auertysyd me that stable ner sure profyt may not be in mannys flessche by his destyne without relese of dethe and corupcyon.1509 S. Hawes v. i The lady Gramer..Dyd me receyve into her goodly scoole; To whose doctrine I dyd me advertise.1533 J. Bellenden tr. Livy (1901) I. 151/7 Aduertis thé how small regard my cumpanʒeouns takis of thare miserabill bodyis.

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c. intransitive. With of, or to do something. To take note, heed, consider; = advert v. 1a. Obsolete.1477 Caxton tr. R. Le Fèvre (1913) 16 He had auertised of that they shold doo.a1600 Doctrynall Good Servauntes in E. F. Rimbault (1842) 5 Seruauntes ought to aduertyse, To say euer trouthe and veryte.

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3. transitive. To give notice of (something); to make generally known.Originally from sense 1, by omission of the personal object. Later examples (from the late 18th cent. on) are often influenced by or extended from sense4.1447 O. Bokenham (1938) l. 2 (MED) Two thyngys owyth euery clerk To aduertysyn begynnyng a werk.a1500 Disciplina Clericalis in (1919) 22 67 This lucre he departed..advertisyng he and his wif to be corrupt.1588 A. King tr. P. Canisius 256 For we offend in mony things, as I haue aduertissit also befoir.1689 in (1852) I. 268 For ye Reasons advertised in ye Returns thereof, given by ye Sheriff, [it] was not a good Election.1785 W. Cowper iv. 500 Vain th' attempt To advertize in verse a public pest.1791 J. Boswell anno 1776 II. 27 He should have warned us of our danger..by advertising, ‘Spring-guns and man-traps set here’.1801 M. Edgeworth Good French Governess in V. 50 Ladies..come to..wear pearl powder, and false auburn hair, and twenty things that are not to be advertised, you know.1869 W. Bagehot in July 72 Changes bring out new qualities, and advertise the effects of new habits.1949 E. Bowen ii. 22 The feather-etched chintz encasing armchairs and sofa advertised its original delicacy by being these days always a little soiled.1993 Aug. 57/1 Many insects have color patterns advertising that they are dangerous or toxic.2003 N. Rush x. 100 The other part of his reluctance came from not wanting to advertise that he had no idea where his wife might be.

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4. a. transitive. To make generally known by means of an announcement in a public medium; spec. (a) to publish information about (a person (now rare), thing, circumstance, or event) so as to attract public attention; (b) to describe or present (a product, service, or the like) in order to promote sales. Frequently with by, in, on the medium specified (as a journal, radio, television, etc.). (Now the most common sense.)1710 4 Apr. 4/1 He will Advertise in the Gazette the Price of..Brandy.1750 H. Walpole (ed. 3) II. 374 A citizen had advertized a reward for the discovery of a person who had stolen sixty guineas.1797 XVIII. 40/2 In advertising a thief, we are obliged to mention his height, complexion, gait.1803 9 189 Shops where ‘injection powders’ are advertized in the windows.1809 W. Irving I. 496 That he should be missing so long, and never return to pay his bill. I therefore advertised him in the newspapers.1836 G. Head 14 In Liverpool and elsewhere it [sc. coal] is advertised by boards and placards.1872 in 2nd Series 8 684 A committee to advertise the resolutions brought forward at this meeting in the papers named.1905 13 Sept. 8/1 They are advertising their stock at give-away prices.1943 A. Rand ii. xi. 352 A billboard advertising a Broadway musical.1968 78 334 He had bought a roll of colour film advertised as ‘the fastest colour film in the world’.1971 F. P. Grove 124 I applied for every school that advertised a vacancy.2004 13 Oct. 10/5 The steward said it was a private party, but she replied that it..had been advertised on the internet.

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b. intransitive. To publicize or promote something in this way.to advertise for: to seek by public notice, esp. in a newspaper.1772 ‘Junius’ II. lxviii. 346 He advertises for patients.1807 R. Southey II. 354 To advertise in newspapers which..insert their notices at an under-price.1835 N. Hawthorne in Mar. 174 Sir Jeffrey Amherst advertises for batteaux-men, to be employed on the lakes.1879 No. 29 38 Don't advertise unless you have something worth advertising.1917 R. C. Megrue & C. Hackett (title) It pays to advertise.1925 W. Cather ii. vi. 253 I thought I couldn't fail to find him... We advertised for him in every possible way.1989 9 Mar. 20/4 Traditionally, people have advertised on radio because they lacked the budget for TV.2005 8 Nov. (Motoring section) 8/1 Commerce recognised the unrivalled opportunity to advertise on the sides of the new vehicles.

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Oh boy.

Advertising/marketing hasn't changed since its inception and its as old as man itself. Imagery has been a foundation of this the entire time.

And how has it ruined the art of photography? If anything the commercialization of art in general has a bigger impact on creativity. Marketing and advertising is just a small part of that.

You take a picture and just because someone buys that image and then uses the message within that image to promote a product or service doesn't ruin photography as an art form.
Yes it does! I don't want my images used for commercial or political reasons. That dilutes the merit of the art to simply supporting a corporate or political campaign. I didn't produce the art for that.

I didn't pursue an art degree to help promote someone else's product. Art should stand on its own merit. That's important for the culture of a society to flourish.
Actually, I would argue that it has enhanced photography as an art form because it gives people more opportunities to produce their art. If an artist abandons creativity for commercialization of his work than that is on them but reality is, many use the money to provide themselves with security so that they can take risks with their other work.
So it's all about the income? What if the government funded more art? Like I heard the government funds anime in Japan for cultural reasons?
Truly experimental/creative photography is rarely consumed commercially and we live in an age of unprecedented creative expression through photography thanks to smartphones.

OP seems to just be cynical about marketing and advertising and in wanting to hear his complaints heard, he/she is linking it to a relatable topic for discussion on this site.
I'm just calling it how I see it.
The difference between my brother and I. Today. Both being Majored in Graphic Design.

He works for a company that sells Flowers. He takes Photos. Pre-arranged. In a makeshift Studio. Of Flowers. Dead ones of course, as in a Bouquet. But the Photos of Flowers do look pretty. Even if killed. I mean "cut". "Picked".

Today I do likewise. Only my Photos are in Nature. In the Wild. Of Flowers. In their Natural Habitat. Alive. Still growing. Blooming. Blossoming.

The difference? Oh, he gets paid for doing that. I don't get paid a dime. Mine are from the Heart. Be cause I appreciate the Beauty. Of Nature. Without a "need" to kill it. And sell it. For money. In the form of Advertising and product itself.

Oh and the other difference between the Photography techniques too of course. The difference between pre-arranged and spontaneity.
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Actually I would say that your brother is the more creative one as he turns something, with the use of his imagination and hands, that many would consider to be ugly, 'death', into something beautiful. You on the other hand are just copying something that is already known to be beautiful.
 
Origin: A borrowing from French. Etymons: French avertiss-, avertir.Etymology: < Anglo-Norman and Middle French avertiss-, advertiss-, lengthened stem of avertir, advertir advert v.

From an early date the ending was frequently either apprehended as or assimilated to -ize suffix. The formation of the verb was probably largely due to the contemporaneous existence of advertisement n., since other French verbs which reflect Latin prefixed verbs in -vertere , e.g. convertir , divertir , pervertir , were borrowed into English in their simple stem form, giving convert v., divert v., pervert v., etc. The verb shows semantic overlap with advert v., but differs from it in that its senses are chiefly causative, which reflects a prominent strand of the semantic development of French avertir . Sense4, which is unparalleled in French, is probably largely after the corresponding uses of advertisement n. and advertising n.In sense 2b after Middle French avertir (1155 in Old French in this sense), used reflexively. With the γ. forms compare -ish suffix2. The position of stress varied in early use. Pronunciations with stress either on the second or the third syllable are found in 16th- and 17th-cent. sources; in the 18th cent., pronouncing dictionaries generally indicate stress on the third syllable. This pronunciation with stress on the final syllable predominates in British pronouncing dictionaries until the mid to late 19th cent.,
Very dramatic. We are told one thing, but with our own eyes we REAL EYES another. Like the 'blue moon' isn't blue. How can Sea Level be level on a globe Earth? An Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens Camera is EVIL. Dell computer = Devil. A.O.L. = Angel of Light. Apple = Forbidden Fruit. Sold for $666 when first released. iPhone = eye phone. Money = one eye (in the land of tbe blind the one eyed man is king).

Use eyes. To see. What is.

Cellphone = Self Own. Selfie.

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Origin: A borrowing from French. Etymons: French avertiss-, avertir.Etymology: < Anglo-Norman and Middle French avertiss-, advertiss-, lengthened stem of avertir, advertir advert v.

From an early date the ending was frequently either apprehended as or assimilated to -ize suffix. The formation of the verb was probably largely due to the contemporaneous existence of advertisement n., since other French verbs which reflect Latin prefixed verbs in -vertere , e.g. convertir , divertir , pervertir , were borrowed into English in their simple stem form, giving convert v., divert v., pervert v., etc. The verb shows semantic overlap with advert v., but differs from it in that its senses are chiefly causative, which reflects a prominent strand of the semantic development of French avertir . Sense4, which is unparalleled in French, is probably largely after the corresponding uses of advertisement n. and advertising n.In sense 2b after Middle French avertir (1155 in Old French in this sense), used reflexively. With the γ. forms compare -ish suffix2. The position of stress varied in early use. Pronunciations with stress either on the second or the third syllable are found in 16th- and 17th-cent. sources; in the 18th cent., pronouncing dictionaries generally indicate stress on the third syllable. This pronunciation with stress on the final syllable predominates in British pronouncing dictionaries until the mid to late 19th cent.,
Very dramatic. We are told one thing, but with our own eyes we REAL EYES another. Like the 'blue moon' isn't blue. How can Sea Level be level on a globe Earth? An Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens Camera is EVIL. Dell computer = Devil. A.O.L. = Angel of Light. Apple = Forbidden Fruit. Sold for $666 when first released. iPhone = eye phone. Money = one eye (in the land of tbe blind the one eyed man is king). Cellphone = Self Own. Selfie.

Use eyes. To see. What is.
I love the ramblings of a philosopher troll. A rare breed of troll but one of the more entertaining. Thank you for this.
 
I couldn't disagree more.

Some advertising is deceptive. Some is not.

I have never bought something I didn't want because of an ad.

Art has always been subsidized by other industries, religion, or political interests. Prior to the tremendous wealth technology has brought us, there was no "art for art's sake". Without sponsorship, all of the classic masters would have had to get jobs.

Sure, with the advancement of technology, business, religious, and political interests are using the latest and greatest art technology to promote whatever it is they want to say. They have made us into such a rich society, that ordinary people can buy art. That enables many many artists to create art without sponsorship, something Michael Angelo and Rembrandt could never have done.
I don't want to get into the art history of things. But there has always been art for arts sake, even if it was just folk art (which might be looked down upon by high end artists)
Now you can't tell the difference, unless the skill level of the artist is different. In the past, materials and tools needed for quality art were very expensive. Now, any middle class person can afford materials and tools that allow them to compete with the best artists.
I might not have made people incredibly rich, but it was always there. The point is I want art. I don't want a commercial. I hate when political campaigns and commercials use music from artists like Stevie Wonder or the like to promote their campaigns. I believe there should be a separation.
Why? How would such a separation work?
For the politicians, campaign on what you stand for then DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO and there shouldn't be a problem.
Who would actually listen, other than a bunch of egg heads like us?
For the companies, just promote your product. Don't try to trick me into buying it. I hate that. Just promote your product, and if it's worth the $ you said it's worth, then I should see that based on the merits of the camera.
How can you be tricked into buying something you don't want? Sure, if you do no research on a camera, you might think that one camera is better than another when it isn't, but you're not going to buy an advertised camera unless you want one anyway.

I might look at a car that I see advertised, if I'm in the market for a car anyway, but I'm going to drive it, read about it, and discuss it with my mechanic before I buy.
Art is and has always been strong enough to stand on its own. That's why they have art museums. Not all of it was commissioned. Not all of it was propaganda. Some artists were trying to make a point, like Courbet.

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My most important photos are to advertise properties that I am selling. My second most important photos are to advertise properties that other people are selling.

Most buyers are pretty sophisticated. Just look at the comments here by advertising detractors. Very few people are being fooled by deceptive advertising, and very few ads are actually deceptive.

I agree that people should pick products based on their relative merits. But they don't know about those merits, if they don't know that the product exists. In order for the consumer to know your product exists, you have to catch his eye. That can only be done with art. People often lack the curiosity to look for a new product, so you have to advertise.

This relates to another thread of yours, which I also enjoyed, "Hobby or Profession".

My response was a third option. Photography is the second most powerful communication tool after the pen (a keyboard being the modern pen).

As you pointed out above, art, even if not sponsored, is typically to make a point, i.e. communication.
 
How much great classical music is now associated with a brand of coffee or toilet paper?
 
Now you can't tell the difference, unless the skill level of the artist is different. In the past, materials and tools needed for quality art were very expensive. Now, any middle class person can afford materials and tools that allow them to compete with the best artists.
True, for the most part. It depends on what type of art you are doing
I might not have made people incredibly rich, but it was always there. The point is I want art. I don't want a commercial. I hate when political campaigns and commercials use music from artists like Stevie Wonder or the like to promote their campaigns. I believe there should be a separation.
Why?
It's one thing to have an original jingle for your product, like Folders Coffee "The best part of waking up, is Folders in your cup". It's another thing to lift someone else's song and associate it with your product or business. It robs us of the true meaning of the song.
How would such a separation work?
Simple. Simply don't use artists work for your ad campaigns. Make an original jingle if you need music.
For the politicians, campaign on what you stand for then DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO and there shouldn't be a problem.
Who would actually listen, other than a bunch of egg heads like us?
We need a better educated public. Then many would listen.
For the companies, just promote your product. Don't try to trick me into buying it. I hate that. Just promote your product, and if it's worth the $ you said it's worth, then I should see that based on the merits of the camera.
How can you be tricked into buying something you don't want?
Easy. People do it everyday
Sure, if you do no research on a camera, you might think that one camera is better than another when it isn't, but you're not going to buy an advertised camera unless you want one anyway.
Ever heard of the word clutter? What about the word "hoarders"? People buy "stuff" all the time, so much so they don't know where to put it all. They often don't know what they actually want or need, so they are easily swayed by ads. If they weren't, then ads wouldn't cost so much to run, and they wouldn't be everywhere.

How many times have you gone to a movie and regretted it? Have you ever walked out? Have you ever had "buyers remorse"? You've heard of it though.

This often happens because people are convinced by an ad about something they don't actually want or need.
I might look at a car that I see advertised, if I'm in the market for a car anyway, but I'm going to drive it, read about it, and discuss it with my mechanic before I buy.
Art is and has always been strong enough to stand on its own. That's why they have art museums. Not all of it was commissioned. Not all of it was propaganda. Some artists were trying to make a point, like Courbet.

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My most important photos are to advertise properties that I am selling. My second most important photos are to advertise properties that other people are selling.
I assume your photos are of the actual properties, which is relevant. It would be different if you took photos of "lifestyles" like people hiking or walking the beach (as I mentioned in the OP) and used THAT to advertise.
Most buyers are pretty sophisticated. Just look at the comments here by advertising detractors. Very few people are being fooled by deceptive advertising, and very few ads are actually deceptive.
In your line of work, maybe. But that's not true ESPECIALLY for medicine, insurance, cosmetics, cologne, food, airlines, etc. I saw an ad for Statefarm only showing close ups of people smiling. It runs all the time. Hence, buy Statefarm insurance and smile like these people. ZERO information about their insurance and why I should choose them over Allstate or something.
I agree that people should pick products based on their relative merits.
Ok, then we agree
But they don't know about those merits, if they don't know that the product exists. In order for the consumer to know your product exists, you have to catch his eye.
Then do it in a way that promotes the product. Not in a way that is irrelevant to the product (read OP again)
That can only be done with art.
art of or about the product
People often lack the curiosity to look for a new product, so you have to advertise.
Then advertise the product, and not lifestyle which is irrelevant to the product.
This relates to another thread of yours, which I also enjoyed, "Hobby or Profession".

My response was a third option. Photography is the second most powerful communication tool after the pen (a keyboard being the modern pen).
A picture is worth 1000 words. So make it relevant and we won't hate your work.
As you pointed out above, art, even if not sponsored, is typically to make a point, i.e. communication.
Keep the "communication" about your goods and services and there isn't a problem. The OP was about when companies and campaigns DON'T do that.

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How much great classical music is now associated with a brand of coffee or toilet paper?


Look how United took this classic song from George Gershwin and turned it into their theme song.

What did that do to me? Well it makes me NOT want to listen to the song, even though the song has merit on its own. I feel like I'm listening to an airline commercial, and who wants to choose to do that??

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How much great classical music is now associated with a brand of coffee or toilet paper?
None that I can think of.

But, how many great classic songs wouldn't even be known to new generations if it wasn't for the re-exposure to them by other forms of media. Classical music got a massive bump when it became a trend to play it to children in the form of lullabies. Why aren't you complaining that some of Mozart's most notable work is now consider a bedtime song for babies.

Switching genres, Queen had a second coming due to Wayne's World. I doubt that they are complaining much about that.

It stand to the point I've already made. Commercialization of art also promotes the art.
 
I used to specialize in Marketing. Advertising was my thing.

Today it disgusts me, having seen the light I now real eyes it is nothing more than mental manipulation to try and make one part with their money, regardless of whether they can afford it or not, tempting them to buy something they probably don't even need.

Today I myself fall victim to marketing, even a shop window display can lure me in and have me offload my credit card on impulse.

It's an evil industry. Pure DECEPTION.
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There is a book called The Brain Sell, available from Amazon and other retailers.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-brain-sell
 
How much great classical music is now associated with a brand of coffee or toilet paper?
None that I can think of.
Well you ain't looking too hard.

Andrex has used Claude Debussy's Clair De Lune to sell toilet paper.


Peer Gynt's Morning was a theme for Nescafe coffee commercials, the flower song from Lakme's Delibes was used by British Airways, Hamlet Cigars used Bach's Air on a G-string, etc. etc. etc...
But, how many great classic songs wouldn't even be known to new generations if it wasn't for the re-exposure to them by other forms of media.
That is a symptom of the problem, not the cure.
Classical music got a massive bump when it became a trend to play it to children in the form of lullabies. Why aren't you complaining that some of Mozart's most notable work is now consider a bedtime song for babies.
Because some of them were. But exposing children to culture is a good thing. Hijacking it for commercial reasons because there are no rights issues is not.
Switching genres, Queen had a second coming due to Wayne's World. I doubt that they are complaining much about that.
Not if they got paid, no. They would not have been allowed to use it otherwise.
It stand to the point I've already made. Commercialization of art also promotes the art.
Not if nobody is told what it is. And repetition out of context is more likely to put people off, IMO.
 
I have never bought something I didn't want because of an ad.
I think you've missed the point of advertising. It's not about making people buy stuff they don't want. It's about making people want stuff they don't need...

And I can guarantee, unless you're a hermit living in a cave in southwest Tasmania*, there are things you do not need but want because of advertising.

*And if you are, there's a good chance you went there in the first place because of some form of advertising...
 
I used to specialize in Marketing. Advertising was my thing.

Today it disgusts me, having seen the light I now real eyes it is nothing more than mental manipulation to try and make one part with their money, regardless of whether they can afford it or not, tempting them to buy something they probably don't even need.

Today I myself fall victim to marketing, even a shop window display can lure me in and have me offload my credit card on impulse.

It's an evil industry. Pure DECEPTION.
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Sad but that doesn't surprise me. If you can work in an industry, know all their tricks, and still fall for them as a consumer, it just goes to show you the power their working with.

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It is powerful. Today the "magic spell" is used in all forums and aspects: At the supermarket not only do they display 2 or more products next to each other, for example Milk - where one is listed in Pints, the other in Liters, and their pricing lists "Cost per Gram", yet the product is in Oz (Ounces) - Pure Fruit Juice, say Orange Juice, but one says "No Added Sugar"... huh? But the Pure one also has no added Sugar... ah yes but the "unpure" one has added Artificial Sweeteners - Saccharin, Phenylalanine and Aspartame (All detrimental to one's health so they use the "Sugar makes you obese" BS... no it doesn't, it can rot your teeth though, so why lie and say something else, just tell it like it is, "Sugar rots Teeth" - Back to the supermarket, they play distracting music in the background so it's extra complicated to focus on these products to decide what's the better deal. It's also "upbeat" so it tries to make you feel happy... to the unsuspecting it works. Me, aware of these tricks gives me a feeling of frustration.

This doesn't even describe the Packaging! I always look to the Jim Carrey movies Yes Man and Liar Liar was it called?

TRUTH > Lies

Exposing what is... Bringing. To. Light
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Wow, I didn't even think about the supermarket, but you're right! They're always playing upbeat music in there. Always! I thought it was to keep the workers happy working, but I guess it's far more sinister than that. Also the packaging, I knew they used warm colors to entice the consumer (like reds and yellows) but you're right the whole "No sugar added" and such is new. Also "No High Fructose Corn Syrup" which I guess was in everything until now.

I might just see those Jim Carrey movies now (I hadn't but I think I will)

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I'm more surprised that people take the labels at face value. "No sugar added" should be a trigger to the consumer to read the list of ingredients & nutrition information, not as a statement to take at face value.
 
Oh boy.

Advertising/marketing hasn't changed since its inception and its as old as man itself. Imagery has been a foundation of this the entire time.

And how has it ruined the art of photography? If anything the commercialization of art in general has a bigger impact on creativity. Marketing and advertising is just a small part of that.

You take a picture and just because someone buys that image and then uses the message within that image to promote a product or service doesn't ruin photography as an art form.
Yes it does! I don't want my images used for commercial or political reasons.
So don't sell them to stock agencies or advertisers. Simple.
 
(Do you know how HARD it's been trying to move my work AWAY from commercial product photography and TOWARDS original artwork??? It isn't easy.)
here is the bigger picture

do you KNOW how many people here actually care about your HARDSHIP .................?

NOBODY AT ALL.

stop wasting time ranting and making excuses and just get on with it.
 
I used to specialize in Marketing. Advertising was my thing.

Today it disgusts me, having seen the light I now real eyes it is nothing more than mental manipulation to try and make one part with their money, regardless of whether they can afford it or not, tempting them to buy something they probably don't even need.

Today I myself fall victim to marketing, even a shop window display can lure me in and have me offload my credit card on impulse.

It's an evil industry. Pure DECEPTION.
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Sad but that doesn't surprise me. If you can work in an industry, know all their tricks, and still fall for them as a consumer, it just goes to show you the power their working with.

Plush Photo
The easiest people to sell to are salesmen.
 

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