Regardless of performance, 3K for 20 MP in todays environment is a tough pill to swallow. Years ago, a lot of the pundits said 18 -24 MP would be the max amount needed. But by today's standards, thats like an old camera. Bigger size, more money, not sure how the noise/sensor issue will shake out, but it seems like there is a lot of Oly hype going on in the background with this one and not sure if it's going in the right direction for me.
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3K for 20MP tough to take, if rumours are true.
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drj3
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Most wildlife cameras have about 20MP. Nikon D500 ($1800) - 20.9MP. D5 ($6500) - 20.8MP, Canon 1 DX MkII ($5500) - 20.2MP, the Sony A9 ($4500) has the most a 24.2MP.
The Nikon D500 is considerably less expensive, but hopefully the Olympus will have other features that justify its cost. If HR is truly handholdable then IQ for stationary targets should be better than the D500.
Well GH5S is $2.5K for 10MP. The cameras the E-M1X supposedly target (1DX II $5500-$6000 and D5 $6500) are 20MP also. High resolution is not always the target for all cameras and speed actually costs more money than resolution.
Basically the E-M1X is not the "R" line (like 42MP A7R III at $3200), but more like the A9 (which is 24MP for $4500) and built for speed.
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Nothing wrong with having the option of a larger top end m43 camera with the latest technology and robust build quality... but it sounds like this will be the only Olympus body which will be able to truly compete (CAF performance etc) with the latest larger sensor cameras. If so, then the size IS a problem. Why buy this when there is no real size disadvantage of going for a larger sensor option instead?
If Olympus are to release this camera in a larger form factor they also need to drastically improve the smaller and lower priced options in their range to ensure that the m43 system as a whole retains its USP.
Better still... also make the EM1-x a bit smaller!
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If Olympus are to release this camera in a larger form factor they also need to drastically improve the smaller and lower priced options in their range to ensure that the m43 system as a whole retains its USP.
Better still... also make the EM1-x a bit smaller!
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I suppose it would be if megapixel count is the only way that you value a camera...
A Leica SL is NZ$9,900 for 24Mp - and only 10Mp if you attach APSC lenses in T mount!
A Leica SL is NZ$9,900 for 24Mp - and only 10Mp if you attach APSC lenses in T mount!
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Oh really? But 21 megapixels for $6500 in 2016 was not? You could have had 36mp for a fraction of that in 2016.
This argument is silly on so many levels. It's barely an argument at all. More like a "this camera as I imagine it to be will not be a camera for me". Which is a valid sentiment, but has nothing to do with the camera or the company that makes it.
drj3
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The size of the camera is not nearly as important as the size of the lens for a wildlife/sports camera. I am fairly certain that I would be able to carry the E-M1X in my right hand when the 300mm f4 is attached without any problem, since I do that now with the E-M1.2+grip with the 300mm.
I think we don't know this yet. If the two smaller cameras mentioned in the rumors are released more or less concurrently with the EM1X, then everything may be fine. If not, there's always Panasonic.
That extra 1MP (.8MP really) must be really special !
But it's all okay, because the photographers who are likely to buy these cameras already know better and don't need to debate it with people who have no idea why it makes sense for them.
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NowHearThis
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That price is a bit inconsequential for me. The rumored size is not. I like my Pen-F’s size, I can live with something about the size of the G9. Don’t want anything bigger - for a body.
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You post implies a complete failure to grasp the issues at hand. :-D
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This Friday you'll be able to get a Z6 FF with a 24-70 for $2600, that by all reports, seems to be one heck of a camera. I really don't know how the hype around the new Olympus will truly outdo the Z6, but it's nice to chew the rag about these things. I'm not a troll, simply like to discuss different viewpoints. I'm bothered by the way Olympus is going on this one, but that's just me and some will say don't buy it, get the Nikon. I for one, like the smaller sizes. If I want to shoot wildlife I still have my Canon bodies and lenses lying around that I rarely use and it seems no one is really interested in buying. I'd like the current 1.2 size, with better noise handling and that's it. I don't want to pay 3K for that option and be stuck with a larger body. Before doing that, I probably would buy the Z6.
For ME personally, $3K for 20MP camera is not tough to swallow at all, but 3K for a MFT definitely is. I have been and will continue to spend that kind of money on a camera body, my first FF only has 16MP but it was $8K, the Canon 1Ds II, just an example, and the replacement 1Ds III was about the same price, and fast forward to today, if Nikon drop their price on the D5 from 6K to $3K, I will order one right now, same for the 1Dx II, but I do have some hard time to spend that kind of money on a MFT.
With that being said, I am willing to spend that kind of money on a Canon , NIkon or Sony not MFT just because I am mainly a FF user, I am sure there is plenty of MFT fans here totally comfortable to spend that kind of money on a pro MFT because that's their system of choice.
All electronics have dropped in price comparing to the past, look at TVs, cell phones, tablets etc. I think its better to have a look ahead perspective in relation to the capital outlay.
If you look at the size comparison, the body size is still significantly smaller than other cameras with built in vertical grip. No weigh specs yet, but I suspect it'll also be lighter. The size is like a E-M1 II with grip, only slightly wider. However, the biggest size/weight savings would be in the lenses, not the body. That's a point most people miss when they overemphasize on body size.
We'll see what they will do with rumored two smaller cameras. But for E-M1X I'm guessing they made the vertical grip built in likely because it's necessary for the functionality. If they can get the CAF performing anywhere close to the top DSLRs, I think the body size would be a small price to pay for people looking at that functionality (especially if they frequently have a grip attached anyways).
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drj3
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If you are not interested in a sports/wildlife camera, then the Nikon Z6 would probably be a good camera. However, I think there are probably a number of Sony FFs for competitive prices that might be a better choice than the first mirrorless from Nikon. If you want a wildlife/sports Nikon, then either the D500 or D5 would be the appropriate cameras.
Gary Martin
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An interesting way to measure value: megapixels per dollar. Let's see how that works out:
EM10 Mk3 body (16mp @ $500) = $31.25 per megapixel
Fuji X-T3 body (26mp @$1500) = $57.69 per megapixel
Sony A7III body (24mp @ $2,000) = $83.33 per megapixel
Just what are those Fuji and Sony guys thinking?!
EM10 Mk3 body (16mp @ $500) = $31.25 per megapixel
Fuji X-T3 body (26mp @$1500) = $57.69 per megapixel
Sony A7III body (24mp @ $2,000) = $83.33 per megapixel
Just what are those Fuji and Sony guys thinking?!
The Z7's tracking AF performance was disappointing (Z6 reviews are not out yet, but I expect similar). Sony still has them beat with the A7 III. But as you point out, none of these are targeting the same segment (tracking burst speeds are drastically slower).
The D500 is probably the best value at the moment in the segment (esp. with free grip).
No fair! Why not pick an A7R - 36Mpix at a bargain price. Shame about the camera but still a great sensor.
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