Can i see your LARGE prints from M43 cameras?

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.



Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?



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RondaArouseMe said:

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.

Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?

pic for examples only:

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I'd say coming from a 5Dmk2, the 20MP OMD stuff should look fairly similar from a noise perspective, but with slightly better dynamic range, especially in the highlights.

I shoot primarily interiors with my OMD because the small chip and super crisp lenses are PERFECT for deep depth of field work, but the noise is a tough pill to swallow.

For the jobs I use the OMD for, Median Stacking in PS has been a great asset to artificially boost SnR. Cleans up the shadows real nice without losing any detail. The E-M1.2's Hi-Res mode does this automatically for you while also removing any chance of moire and giving additional detail, not just noise reduction.

If you're coming from a 5D2 and a 16-35mm v1 or 2, you'll LOVE the E-M1.2 and 7-14 f/2.8 PRO. The Olympus 7-14.. maybe I have an unusually good copy of it, but it's better than any Nikon 14-24 I've ever rented and doesn't have any of the field curvature problems you read about in reviews. Its tacky from corner to corner.

Pretty big!

Have you seen Imaging Resource? They're a test site that prints out various print sizes and makes a judgment call on whether or not it meets their "good" bar at various ISO settings.

Here's a link to their print quality test for the Olympus EM1mk2: https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-e-m1-ii/olympus-e-m1-ii-image-quality.htm

A snippet: "A terrific 30 x 40 inch print at ISO 64/200, a good 16 x 20 inch print at ISO 800, and a nice 5 x 7 at ISO 12,800."

Another test comparing OMD EM1mk2 against Canon full frame with large size prints. Not as carefully controlled as the Imaging Resource testing so YMMV, but worth a watch:
In general, as long as you're able to keep ISOs reasonably low, you'll probably not be limited by print size with the m43 system.

Still, if you need higher confidence, maybe you could download some RAW samples (or test images) from the body you're considering and the ISO settings you commonly shoot at, processing them to your taste, and printing them out using your preferred media/print lab and see whether the results meet your standards. That would give me the highest confidence before jumping.

Good luck, happy shooting!

Terrible Photographer said:

RondaArouseMe said:

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.

Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?

pic for examples only:

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I'd say coming from a 5Dmk2, the 20MP OMD stuff should look fairly similar from a noise perspective, but with slightly better dynamic range, especially in the highlights.

I shoot primarily interiors with my OMD because the small chip and super crisp lenses are PERFECT for deep depth of field work, but the noise is a tough pill to swallow.

For the jobs I use the OMD for, Median Stacking in PS has been a great asset to artificially boost SnR. Cleans up the shadows real nice without losing any detail. The E-M1.2's Hi-Res mode does this automatically for you while also removing any chance of moire and giving additional detail, not just noise reduction.

If you're coming from a 5D2 and a 16-35mm v1 or 2, you'll LOVE the E-M1.2 and 7-14 f/2.8 PRO. The Olympus 7-14.. maybe I have an unusually good copy of it, but it's better than any Nikon 14-24 I've ever rented and doesn't have any of the field curvature problems you read about in reviews. Its tacky from corner to corner.

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You don't just have a "tacky " copy you have a magic copy I think the 7-14mm is by far the most disappointing pro lens. Were i looking for such a focal length in m43 I would be going with an adapted FT 7-14mm

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In some landscape scenarios where there is no movement you would be able to get better results using the pixel shift feature of a number of m43 cameras.

James Stirling said:

In some landscape scenarios where there is no movement you would be able to get better results using the pixel shift feature of a number of m43 cameras.

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Is that what they are calling the High Rez mode?

Just had this one done, 40inch x 30inch OMD Em5.2, 12-40mm. Hahnemuhle Canvas. Yes some high ISO there too.





And this is the biggest I've done yet. 120cm x 80cm same canvas, original Em5 and the 12-40mm pro.

Muzfox said:

Just had this one done, 40inch x 30inch OMD Em5.2, 12-40mm. Hahnemuhle Canvas. Yes some high ISO there too.



And this is the biggest I've done yet. 120cm x 80cm same canvas, original Em5 and the 12-40mm pro.

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Wow, those are both dead sexy. Great shots

In 2014 a site posted an article about their 60 inch prints created from GH4 4k frame grabs. Overall everyone was impress at the detail and well the prints turned out.

I think the article is now gone, but links and comments about the article are still floating around.


Personally, I've seen 4k images projected on 140 inch screens and they were stunning. So I believe that 20MP images print at your "small" sizes should not be an issue.

Coming from the Canon 5DII, you will be pleasantly surprised with the E-M1.ii. If you can read the manual, you will be astonished at what it can do.

I shoot the EM1.i and EM5.ii and both easily surpass my 5Dii. That said, your results will depend on using good technique. Low ISO and full exposure (to the right) is necessary. Pretty easy shooting on a tripod in any light and hand held in daylight. The Hi res mode can take you to another level in some landscape situations. Most of my pictures rely on the Oly 12-40 Pro and the Pany 35-100 zooms. In my experience, these are better than their Canon counterparts. These cameras are weatherproof, another area in which the Oly M43 easily surpasses the 5Dii. My prints top out at 17x22 in, but there is no reason to think that is the limit.

RondaArouseMe said:

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.

Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?

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I don't think a forum thread can really answer that for you.

The best move is to rent a high-end M43 body and high-quality lens, shoot with it for a weekend, try some multi-shot high resolution, and make some prints. That really is the only way to know whether it will work for you. Not just in terms of image quality, but also handling, ergonomics, portability, depth of field, viewfinder and so on.

SpinOne said:

RondaArouseMe said:

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.

Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?

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I don't think a forum thread can really answer that for you.

The best move is to rent a high-end M43 body and high-quality lens, shoot with it for a weekend, try some multi-shot high resolution, and make some prints. That really is the only way to know whether it will work for you. Not just in terms of image quality, but also handling, ergonomics, portability, depth of field, viewfinder and so on.

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I agree. Honestly it's all about dynamic range IMO. I think many current cameras are going to best my MK2 in this regard. I just don't know if things such as 16mp are going to make the size prints I need for sale.

RondaArouseMe said:

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.

Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?

pic for examples only:

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Up to 24" x 30". Maybe even larger, but I did not try. Talking about "great detail" is a moot point - sometimes great detail works for images, sometimes does not. Printing on canvas is different from paper. Posting photo on-line does not make any sense. You can order one if you wish - I'll sent you quote.

RondaArouseMe said:

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Somewhat off topic, but what is a good resource for having these prints made with good quality and reasonable cost? I want to get what I think is called "gallery wrap" where the print is made on a canvas like material and wrapped on a wooden frame like painting canvases. I have a few photos I want to hang on the wall.

It seems people are moving away from the framed prints with mats to these borderless designs.

Simon97 said:

Somewhat off topic, but what is a good resource for having these prints made with good quality and reasonable cost? I want to get what I think is called "gallery wrap" where the print is made on a canvas like material and wrapped on a wooden frame like painting canvases. I have a few photos I want to hang on the wall.

It seems people are moving away from the framed prints with mats to these borderless designs.

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It may sound odd, but I ran a few test prints through my local walmart and was really impressed with what they put out for me.

I have a few portraits and a few macro shots around the house printed from them with good results.

The trick is to remember that they are printing the image then its attached to the frame, so you lose the outside .75-1.5". Something to think of when framing the shot

RondaArouseMe said:

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.

Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?

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I Wouldn't worry at all, the 5Dm2 was a 21mp camera, when I compared the 6D to the EM5 there wasn't a huge amount of difference in detail (I was shooting for a client off a tripod). So the newest 20mp sensors will have better colour and DR than the 5Dm2 and when using equivalent settings should be significantly better than that older camera.

So if you are happy with those results then you should be very happy with these.

It is always very difficult to judge print quality online, I took these pictures to show this forum how far 16mp goes, here is the full shot showing the crop of 16mp I used




As you can see I am using a tiny proportion of the full 16 mp, so I might be printing from about 8mp of detail






This is what 100% of that detail looks like





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here is about an 11" x 19" print from that crop hung in the studio




Here is a close up of the print. You can see focus is slightly high on the ruler so better to look at her far eye for detail. YOu can see we are actually losing more detail from the professional inkjet (produced by a fine art printer in the area on Epson premium luster paper). I hope this shows you how much quality is available.

s_grins said:

RondaArouseMe said:

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.

Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?

pic for examples only:

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Up to 24" x 30". Maybe even larger, but I did not try. Talking about "great detail" is a moot point - sometimes great detail works for images, sometimes does not. Printing on canvas is different from paper. Posting photo on-line does not make any sense. You can order one if you wish - I'll sent you quote.

s_grins said:

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Order what? What are you talking about?



The post is about large metallic prints that are acceptable for gallery.

Ab Latchin said:

RondaArouseMe said:

Im currently shooting full frame Canon 5d Mk2 and do mostly landscapes.

Photos shown are what im looking for examples off from M43 cameras. Are these prints possible and with great detail or would I be shooting myself in the foot trying to achieve this?

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I Wouldn't worry at all, the 5Dm2 was a 21mp camera, when I compared the 6D to the EM5 there wasn't a huge amount of difference in detail (I was shooting for a client off a tripod). So the newest 20mp sensors will have better colour and DR than the 5Dm2 and when using equivalent settings should be significantly better than that older camera.

So if you are happy with those results then you should be very happy with these.

It is always very difficult to judge print quality online, I took these pictures to show this forum how far 16mp goes, here is the full shot showing the crop of 16mp I used


As you can see I am using a tiny proportion of the full 16 mp, so I might be printing from about 8mp of detail


This is what 100% of that detail looks like

[ATTACH alt="here is about an 11" x 19" print from that crop hung in the studio"]2106478[/ATTACH]
here is about an 11" x 19" print from that crop hung in the studio


Here is a close up of the print. You can see focus is slightly high on the ruler so better to look at her far eye for detail. YOu can see we are actually losing more detail from the professional inkjet (produced by a fine art printer in the area on Epson premium luster paper). I hope this shows you how much quality is available.

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Thats helpful thanks.



I wouldn't be too concerned about 19" personally. I am more concerned with 60".