Stealthy street shots showing you busted

If you won't ignore these clowns I strongly suggest counter trolling these guys in the other forums they post in. I do it and they go away for a bit ;)
It's a bad sign that I'm starting to like your posts. Molly will never forgive me... :-(
Here's Chato in action trolling elsewhere

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4335737?page=7#forum-post-61907986

These guys are off their pills, trust me...
Oh BTW there's someone else and they're in this thread also, posing as the opposite of what he/she/it is. ;) It's a more sophisticated and clever one.

Anyone got a guess as to who? ;)

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I find street photography shots where the photographer tries to sneak a pic of someone walking past them and gets busted by the subject for it, somewhat disturbing, yet I’ve never heard it discussed. Seems to call into question the entire genre of spy (street) photography for me. Like, you may have right to do it, but it’s borderline creepy when your caught.

it also kind of breaks that wall of illusion that you are viewing a scene without the camera and man holding it there. Now the photographer is part of the scene from behind the scene, this spoiling the moment.

people seem to post these shots right along with shots where the photog is invisible to the scene and subject as if it’s not even thought about. Am I the only one that thinks the difference is huge to the photo?
If the photographer is hiding his camera from the subject, that's "secret" photography.

It's been discussed on this forum and elsewhere. It's rude, and the sign of unskilled, uninspired and timid photographers. Such photographers are also often sanctimoniously indignant about "their legal rights" (how pathetic!).

The subjects and onlookers of secret photography have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!

If you don't hide your camera, but instead confidently shoot a scene in the street that captures a "slice of life", often the subjects are too absorbed by what they are doing to pay attention to the photographer in plain sight. Sometimes their reaction to the photographer is a key part of the picture. That's authentic street photography.

Don't be sneaky, don't hide; in photography and in the rest of your life.
Wikipedia definition of street photography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography
I see that Wikipedia uses the term "secret photography" for hiding the camera from the subject, and "candid" photography for unposed photography. So I correct the term in my comments above. The rest of my opinions stand.
...especially this:

“Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!”

You would enjoy a photographer being attacked if you don’t agree with the way he is using his camera.

Besides being confused, you are hostile towards street photographers and come here to attack them. Then we learn from another thread that you say you are “too timid” to shoot people from the front. Sounds like you need some psycholgical help.
 
Being European, and Europe based, I do not have a deep understanding of the laws as they pertain in the US.

I don't take your interpretation of the law as it stands as being accurate, as frankly you come across in all your posts as being a narrow minded buffoon whos word or opinion I do not value one bit..

My understanding is that it is OK to shoot without permission in a public space for non commercial purposes.

Whether bars and restaurants are regarded as public spaces I have no idea, I would think under most interpretations they are.

k
It’s fine and legal to shoot inside a private restaurant FROM outside - which is a publc place.

The poster has no idea what he’s talking about, which was apparent even before he said this.

46,000 + posts with this kind of cr*p. . Gotta be some kind of record.
I shot images of my granddaughters IN many restaurants.

Have you done the same with your family?
 
“Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!”

You would enjoy a photographer being attacked if you don’t agree with the way he is using his camera.
Whether you like it or not, photographers who hide their cameras to shoot strangers surreptitiously in public places are thought of as creeps by many members of the public.

Those of us who shoot Street without hiding our cameras don't want to be associated with them.
 
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I find street photography shots where the photographer tries to sneak a pic of someone walking past them and gets busted by the subject for it, somewhat disturbing, yet I’ve never heard it discussed. Seems to call into question the entire genre of spy (street) photography for me. Like, you may have right to do it, but it’s borderline creepy when your caught.

it also kind of breaks that wall of illusion that you are viewing a scene without the camera and man holding it there. Now the photographer is part of the scene from behind the scene, this spoiling the moment.

people seem to post these shots right along with shots where the photog is invisible to the scene and subject as if it’s not even thought about. Am I the only one that thinks the difference is huge to the photo?
If the photographer is hiding his camera from the subject, that's "secret" photography.

It's been discussed on this forum and elsewhere. It's rude, and the sign of unskilled, uninspired and timid photographers. Such photographers are also often sanctimoniously indignant about "their legal rights" (how pathetic!).

The subjects and onlookers of secret photography have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!

If you don't hide your camera, but instead confidently shoot a scene in the street that captures a "slice of life", often the subjects are too absorbed by what they are doing to pay attention to the photographer in plain sight. Sometimes their reaction to the photographer is a key part of the picture. That's authentic street photography.

Don't be sneaky, don't hide; in photography and in the rest of your life.
Wikipedia definition of street photography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography
I see that Wikipedia uses the term "secret photography" for hiding the camera from the subject, and "candid" photography for unposed photography. So I correct the term in my comments above. The rest of my opinions stand.
...especially this:

“Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!”

You would enjoy a photographer being attacked if you don’t agree with the way he is using his camera.

Besides being confused, you are hostile towards street photographers and come here to attack them. Then we learn from another thread that you say you are “too timid” to shoot people from the front. Sounds like you need some psycholgical help.
"Sounds like you need some psycholgical help." Sir, don't be rue.
 
Being European, and Europe based, I do not have a deep understanding of the laws as they pertain in the US.

I don't take your interpretation of the law as it stands as being accurate, as frankly you come across in all your posts as being a narrow minded buffoon whos word or opinion I do not value one bit..

My understanding is that it is OK to shoot without permission in a public space for non commercial purposes.

Whether bars and restaurants are regarded as public spaces I have no idea, I would think under most interpretations they are.

k
It’s fine and legal to shoot inside a private restaurant FROM outside - which is a publc place.

The poster has no idea what he’s talking about, which was apparent even before he said this.

46,000 + posts with this kind of cr*p. . Gotta be some kind of record.
I shot images of my granddaughters IN many restaurants.

Have you done the same with your family?
Did your family give you permission to shoot? :-D

A restaurant is private property, despite being open to the public. As with all private property the question is determined by the owner. Shooting from outside? legal with or without the owners permission.
 
I find street photography shots where the photographer tries to sneak a pic of someone walking past them and gets busted by the subject for it, somewhat disturbing, yet I’ve never heard it discussed. Seems to call into question the entire genre of spy (street) photography for me. Like, you may have right to do it, but it’s borderline creepy when your caught.

it also kind of breaks that wall of illusion that you are viewing a scene without the camera and man holding it there. Now the photographer is part of the scene from behind the scene, this spoiling the moment.

people seem to post these shots right along with shots where the photog is invisible to the scene and subject as if it’s not even thought about. Am I the only one that thinks the difference is huge to the photo?
If the photographer is hiding his camera from the subject, that's "secret" photography.

It's been discussed on this forum and elsewhere. It's rude, and the sign of unskilled, uninspired and timid photographers. Such photographers are also often sanctimoniously indignant about "their legal rights" (how pathetic!).

The subjects and onlookers of secret photography have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!

If you don't hide your camera, but instead confidently shoot a scene in the street that captures a "slice of life", often the subjects are too absorbed by what they are doing to pay attention to the photographer in plain sight. Sometimes their reaction to the photographer is a key part of the picture. That's authentic street photography.

Don't be sneaky, don't hide; in photography and in the rest of your life.
Wikipedia definition of street photography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography
I see that Wikipedia uses the term "secret photography" for hiding the camera from the subject, and "candid" photography for unposed photography. So I correct the term in my comments above. The rest of my opinions stand.
...especially this:

“Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!”

You would enjoy a photographer being attacked if you don’t agree with the way he is using his camera.

Besides being confused, you are hostile towards street photographers and come here to attack them. Then we learn from another thread that you say you are “too timid” to shoot people from the front. Sounds like you need some psycholgical help.
"Sounds like you need some psycholgical help." Sir, don't be rue.
I assume you meant “rude”?

Besides checking your spelling before posting, you need to look at context. Suggesting that people should attack photgraphers and break their cameras is worse than rude; it’s hostile and promoting violence. And this from a poster who admits that he’s “too shy” to shoot people on the street from the front.
 
I don't know how the above made me recall a post from a couple years back, it wasn't anything of significance but for one reason or other, the content stuck in the back of my mind. I also thought the post was yours, so I checked. Yup:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57954693

Shooting from behind, that's usually but not always a sign of timidness; you stated you do it usually because you're shy. Shooting from behind is essentially one form of "hiding" the camera from the subject... one of the most effortless ways, actually.
Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!
So then... has it happened to you yet? Having someone taking and smashing your camera? ;)
I never hide my camera from the subject. As you can imagine (but choose not to), when you are behind your subject they are not aware that you are there.
In other words, you and your camera are "hiding".
It is very clear to onlookers if the photographer is purposely hiding the camera, which typically happens when the subject would otherwise see it. I am confident that you realize the distinctions but you are trying to create a specious argument.
No, I disagree. Raising a camera to your eye or lowering it to waist-level, to get that shot from behind, is very much an action no one around you would notice. There are no "onlookers" who realize exactly what you're doing, for all most anyone cares, you're aiming at something in the distance; moreover, if someone does happen to be on to you, they won't care, it's not them you're pointing your lens at. Shooting from behind is about as "sneaky" as it gets.
I realized over time, and observed in others' photography as well, that almost every shot from behind in Street is mediocre and lacking in interest compared to shots from the front (feel free to do some more impressive forensic research to find the obvious exceptions).
Depends who's photos you're looking at, I suppose. Many inexperienced guys out there do a LOT of shots from behind and yes, the quality (or lack of) shows in the result as the images convey literally no intent. There are, however, plenty of brilliantly done "from behind" images, sadly the sheer amount of the mediocre stuff drowns much of those out, more sadly it's viewers as well who can't be bothered to understand the difference.
For a while now, I have followed a rule to avoid shooting Street subjects from the back,
IMO it's a good rule to follow, however don't be so strict about it as to miss an occasional opportunity where such a photo is worth taking.
and for that reason. It is more challenging to be where they can and could see you and where you can capture their expressions. More challenging, but ultimately more satisfying.
Of course it's more challenging, but more satisfying? No, not to me anyway. I don't shoot street to pat myself on the back for being too clever to be noticed, I shoot street because it's fun and addicting to chase those elusive one-off moments... some are tricky and risky, some are straightforward and easy. Ultimately the satisfaction should be in obtaining a meaningful image... including occasionally of someone's back ;) . I would also argue that capturing expressions, while requiring great timing, is not as satisfying or as capturing sublime body language.... also requiring great timing (and sometimes is conveyed very effectively from behind).

I am not trying to get into some superficial argument, the point I'm trying to make is simply that street photography generally involves a form of "hiding" (blending into a crowd intending to take pictures, but not being obvious about it... you may not be "hiding" your camera but you certainly are "hiding" your intent) and I don't think it's exactly fair for someone to say a certain timid approach is camera-smashing-worthy while another equally timid approach is not.
 
I find street photography shots where the photographer tries to sneak a pic of someone walking past them and gets busted by the subject for it, somewhat disturbing, yet I’ve never heard it discussed. Seems to call into question the entire genre of spy (street) photography for me. Like, you may have right to do it, but it’s borderline creepy when your caught.

it also kind of breaks that wall of illusion that you are viewing a scene without the camera and man holding it there. Now the photographer is part of the scene from behind the scene, this spoiling the moment.

people seem to post these shots right along with shots where the photog is invisible to the scene and subject as if it’s not even thought about. Am I the only one that thinks the difference is huge to the photo?
If the photographer is hiding his camera from the subject, that's "secret" photography.

It's been discussed on this forum and elsewhere. It's rude, and the sign of unskilled, uninspired and timid photographers. Such photographers are also often sanctimoniously indignant about "their legal rights" (how pathetic!).

The subjects and onlookers of secret photography have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!

If you don't hide your camera, but instead confidently shoot a scene in the street that captures a "slice of life", often the subjects are too absorbed by what they are doing to pay attention to the photographer in plain sight. Sometimes their reaction to the photographer is a key part of the picture. That's authentic street photography.

Don't be sneaky, don't hide; in photography and in the rest of your life.
Wikipedia definition of street photography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography
I see that Wikipedia uses the term "secret photography" for hiding the camera from the subject, and "candid" photography for unposed photography. So I correct the term in my comments above. The rest of my opinions stand.
...especially this:

“Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!”

You would enjoy a photographer being attacked if you don’t agree with the way he is using his camera.

Besides being confused, you are hostile towards street photographers and come here to attack them. Then we learn from another thread that you say you are “too timid” to shoot people from the front. Sounds like you need some psycholgical help.
"Sounds like you need some psycholgical help." Sir, don't be rue.
I assume you meant “rude”?

Besides checking your spelling before posting, you need to look at context. Suggesting that people should attack photgraphers and break their cameras is worse than rude; it’s hostile and promoting violence. And this from a poster who admits that he’s “too shy” to shoot people on the street from the front.
Sir, that was your typo. Read back your post.
 
J



I got a right earful for taking this. I steal moments from people without their permission.
I got a right earful for taking this. I steal moments from people without their permission.
 
J

I got a right earful for taking this. I steal moments from people without their permission.
I got a right earful for taking this. I steal moments from people without their permission.
I like that picture! And you didn't hide your camera. Good for you.
 
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I find street photography shots where the photographer tries to sneak a pic of someone walking past them and gets busted by the subject for it, somewhat disturbing, yet I’ve never heard it discussed. Seems to call into question the entire genre of spy (street) photography for me. Like, you may have right to do it, but it’s borderline creepy when your caught.

it also kind of breaks that wall of illusion that you are viewing a scene without the camera and man holding it there. Now the photographer is part of the scene from behind the scene, this spoiling the moment.

people seem to post these shots right along with shots where the photog is invisible to the scene and subject as if it’s not even thought about. Am I the only one that thinks the difference is huge to the photo?
If the photographer is hiding his camera from the subject, that's "secret" photography.

It's been discussed on this forum and elsewhere. It's rude, and the sign of unskilled, uninspired and timid photographers. Such photographers are also often sanctimoniously indignant about "their legal rights" (how pathetic!).

The subjects and onlookers of secret photography have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!

If you don't hide your camera, but instead confidently shoot a scene in the street that captures a "slice of life", often the subjects are too absorbed by what they are doing to pay attention to the photographer in plain sight. Sometimes their reaction to the photographer is a key part of the picture. That's authentic street photography.

Don't be sneaky, don't hide; in photography and in the rest of your life.
Wikipedia definition of street photography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography
I see that Wikipedia uses the term "secret photography" for hiding the camera from the subject, and "candid" photography for unposed photography. So I correct the term in my comments above. The rest of my opinions stand.
...especially this:

“Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!”

You would enjoy a photographer being attacked if you don’t agree with the way he is using his camera.

Besides being confused, you are hostile towards street photographers and come here to attack them. Then we learn from another thread that you say you are “too timid” to shoot people from the front. Sounds like you need some psycholgical help.
"Sounds like you need some psycholgical help." Sir, don't be rue.
I assume you meant “rude”?

Besides checking your spelling before posting, you need to look at context. Suggesting that people should attack photgraphers and break their cameras is worse than rude; it’s hostile and promoting violence. And this from a poster who admits that he’s “too shy” to shoot people on the street from the front.
Sir, that was your typo. Read back your post.
“Don’t be rue” was my typo?

Typos aside, I would, as a news editor, you would be appalled at someone suggesting violence against photographers for doing their work instead of concerned about my being “rue” [SIC].
 
Typos aside, I would, as a news editor, you would be appalled at someone suggesting violence against photographers for doing their work instead of concerned about my being “rue” [SIC].
Tragic. Perfectly legal photography, but he got "busted" and a nasty friend of the woman beat him to a pulp. I'm sure you're just as shocked as I am... :-(
 
J

I got a right earful for taking this. I steal moments from people without their permission.
I got a right earful for taking this. I steal moments from people without their permission.
The man on the right maybe have a "carry and conceal" permit.
No worries, just pick up one of these puppies. Subjects will think twice before reaching for their pocket ... and you could do a series on people in the streets with genuinely panicked expressions :)

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Martin
 
I got a right earful for taking this. I steal moments from people without their permission.
I like that picture! And you didn't hide your camera. Good for you.
I don't about that. The man on the right is reaching for something the photographer

would not like to see.

"Think Different." S. J.
A Street Photographer has to have a friendly attitude. And be well prepared to explain what their doing. If I had been "caught" shooting these people, what could I tell them? Instead, I was completely open about taking pictures.



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I find street photography shots where the photographer tries to sneak a pic of someone walking past them and gets busted by the subject for it, somewhat disturbing, yet I’ve never heard it discussed. Seems to call into question the entire genre of spy (street) photography for me. Like, you may have right to do it, but it’s borderline creepy when your caught.

it also kind of breaks that wall of illusion that you are viewing a scene without the camera and man holding it there. Now the photographer is part of the scene from behind the scene, this spoiling the moment.

people seem to post these shots right along with shots where the photog is invisible to the scene and subject as if it’s not even thought about. Am I the only one that thinks the difference is huge to the photo?
If the photographer is hiding his camera from the subject, that's "secret" photography.

It's been discussed on this forum and elsewhere. It's rude, and the sign of unskilled, uninspired and timid photographers. Such photographers are also often sanctimoniously indignant about "their legal rights" (how pathetic!).

The subjects and onlookers of secret photography have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!

If you don't hide your camera, but instead confidently shoot a scene in the street that captures a "slice of life", often the subjects are too absorbed by what they are doing to pay attention to the photographer in plain sight. Sometimes their reaction to the photographer is a key part of the picture. That's authentic street photography.

Don't be sneaky, don't hide; in photography and in the rest of your life.
Wikipedia definition of street photography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography
I see that Wikipedia uses the term "secret photography" for hiding the camera from the subject, and "candid" photography for unposed photography. So I correct the term in my comments above. The rest of my opinions stand.
...especially this:

“Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!”

You would enjoy a photographer being attacked if you don’t agree with the way he is using his camera.

Besides being confused, you are hostile towards street photographers and come here to attack them. Then we learn from another thread that you say you are “too timid” to shoot people from the front. Sounds like you need some psycholgical help.
"Sounds like you need some psycholgical help." Sir, don't be rue.
I assume you meant “rude”?

Besides checking your spelling before posting, you need to look at context. Suggesting that people should attack photgraphers and break their cameras is worse than rude; it’s hostile and promoting violence. And this from a poster who admits that he’s “too shy” to shoot people on the street from the front.
Sir, that was your typo. Read back your post.
“Don’t be rue” was my typo?

Typos aside, I would, as a news editor, you would be appalled at someone suggesting violence against photographers for doing their work instead of concerned about my being “rue” [SIC].
Rue = violence ? ˈvī(ə)ləns | noun

behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
 
I find street photography shots where the photographer tries to sneak a pic of someone walking past them and gets busted by the subject for it, somewhat disturbing, yet I’ve never heard it discussed. Seems to call into question the entire genre of spy (street) photography for me. Like, you may have right to do it, but it’s borderline creepy when your caught.

it also kind of breaks that wall of illusion that you are viewing a scene without the camera and man holding it there. Now the photographer is part of the scene from behind the scene, this spoiling the moment.

people seem to post these shots right along with shots where the photog is invisible to the scene and subject as if it’s not even thought about. Am I the only one that thinks the difference is huge to the photo?
If the photographer is hiding his camera from the subject, that's "secret" photography.

It's been discussed on this forum and elsewhere. It's rude, and the sign of unskilled, uninspired and timid photographers. Such photographers are also often sanctimoniously indignant about "their legal rights" (how pathetic!).

The subjects and onlookers of secret photography have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!

If you don't hide your camera, but instead confidently shoot a scene in the street that captures a "slice of life", often the subjects are too absorbed by what they are doing to pay attention to the photographer in plain sight. Sometimes their reaction to the photographer is a key part of the picture. That's authentic street photography.

Don't be sneaky, don't hide; in photography and in the rest of your life.
Wikipedia definition of street photography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography
I see that Wikipedia uses the term "secret photography" for hiding the camera from the subject, and "candid" photography for unposed photography. So I correct the term in my comments above. The rest of my opinions stand.
...especially this:

“Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!”

You would enjoy a photographer being attacked if you don’t agree with the way he is using his camera.

Besides being confused, you are hostile towards street photographers and come here to attack them. Then we learn from another thread that you say you are “too timid” to shoot people from the front. Sounds like you need some psycholgical help.
"Sounds like you need some psycholgical help." Sir, don't be rue.
I assume you meant “rude”?

Besides checking your spelling before posting, you need to look at context. Suggesting that people should attack photgraphers and break their cameras is worse than rude; it’s hostile and promoting violence. And this from a poster who admits that he’s “too shy” to shoot people on the street from the front.
Sir, that was your typo. Read back your post.
“Don’t be rue” was my typo?

Typos aside, I would, as a news editor, you would be appalled at someone suggesting violence against photographers for doing their work instead of concerned about my being “rue” [SIC].
Rue = violence ? ˈvī(ə)ləns | noun

behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Where is the link to that definition? I have never heard of that meaning. Rue means “regret” as in “I rue the day I participated in this terrible thread”.

Even if you did mean that above, it makes no sense. It was the poster to which I was responding that was advocating violence, not me!

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“I’m halfway between tightrope walker and pickpocket.” — HCB

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http://skanter.smugmug.com/NYC-Street-Photography
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https://skanter.smugmug.com/Recent-Photos
 
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I rue chato bringing his open talk mates to this forum. Don't feed em guys, it's the only way. You gotta let them STARVE
 

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