I think I already cooked the pop corn, when "Son of Waldo" told me I was invading the privacy of people sitting at an outdoor cafe.Martin wrt France you are correct.
Sadly in Germany they have made it illegal unless the shot is of larger groups of people and no one person is obviously the focus of the shot.
Of course I highly doubt this will stop German street photography.
Funnily enough a few weeks back as you know I was shooting at st Paul's cathedral. A German woman approaches me and asked am I a journalist and were my photographs for a newspaper. I said no. She just stood staring at me confontationally. She was eating a sandwich so I said to her ah that sandwich, are you a chef? Is it for a newspapers food article. Of course my underlying tone was 'p off and leave me alone.' She stood there befuddled by my questions and then walked off.
Just a bit of a tangent while I wait for my popcorn to heat up
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kevinparis
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Wrong on all counts...
restaurants are regarded as public spaces in most definitions I can find, unless they specifically prohibit photography
As for my regard for the rights of other people... you don't know me so you have no basis for such a sweeping statement... which might be regarded as libelous/slanderous/defamatory in some places
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Chris Noble
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If the photographer is hiding his camera from the subject, that's "candid" photography.
It's been discussed on this forum and elsewhere. It's rude, and the sign of unskilled, uninspired and timid photographers. Such photographers are also often sanctimoniously indignant about "their legal rights" (how pathetic!).
Candid subjects and onlookers have the moral right to grab the creep's camera and inadvertently "drop" it onto a hard "street" floor. Highly advisable and enjoyable!
If you don't hide your camera, but instead confidently shoot a scene in the street that captures a "slice of life", often the subjects are too absorbed by what they are doing to pay attention to the photographer in plain sight. Sometimes their reaction to the photographer is a key part of the picture. That's authentic street photography.
Don't be sneaky, don't hide; in photography and in the rest of your life.
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Your indignant, self-righteous diatribe is uninformed and confused in its use of terms, as well as insulting to street photographers. Suggesting that anyone has the “moral right” to attack a photographer and break his camera is appalling, especially on photgrapher’s forum.
Wikipedia definition of street photography:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_photography
“Street photography, also sometimes called candid photography, is photography conducted for art or enquiry that features unmediated chance encounters and random incidents[1] within public places. Although there is a difference between street and candid photography, it is usually subtle with most street photography being candid in nature and some candid photographybeing classifiable as street photography. Street photography does not necessitate the presence of a street or even the urban environment....”
Encyclopaedia Britannica definition:
“Street photography, a genre that records everyday life in a public place. The very publicness of the setting enables the photographer to take candid pictures of strangers, often without their knowledge. Street photographers do not necessarily have a social purpose in mind, but they prefer to isolate and capture moments which might otherwise go unnoticed.”
There are countless others, all in stark contrast to your stated opinion.
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Easy Rider
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Hmmmm nice popcorn
Chris Noble
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I see that Wikipedia uses the term "secret photography" for hiding the camera from the subject, and "candid" photography for unposed photography. So I correct the term in my comments above. The rest of my opinions stand.
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Easy Rider
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A lot of differing opinions are widely held by a lot of different people.
Now there's a fact.
I like Popcorn, do you?
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Now there's a fact.
I like Popcorn, do you?
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I don't know how the above made me recall a post from a couple years back, it wasn't anything of significance but for one reason or other, the content stuck in the back of my mind. I also thought the post was yours, so I checked. Yup:
Shooting from behind, that's usually but not always a sign of timidness; you stated you do it usually because you're shy. Shooting from behind is essentially one form of "hiding" the camera from the subject... one of the most effortless ways, actually.
So then... has it happened to you yet? Having someone taking and smashing your camera?
A lot of what you wrote is one-sided, subjective. The funniest thing about these occasional threads where someone moans about street photography, is that usually the OP and others who come around to pile on..... aren't street photographers.
Chris Noble
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I never hide my camera from the subject. As you can imagine (but choose not to), when you are behind your subject they are not aware that you are there. It is very clear to onlookers if the photographer is purposely hiding the camera, which typically happens when the subject would otherwise see it. I am confident that you realize the distinctions but you are trying to create a specious argument.I don't know how the above made me recall a post from a couple years back, it wasn't anything of significance but for one reason or other, the content stuck in the back of my mind. I also thought the post was yours, so I checked. Yup:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57954693
Shooting from behind, that's usually but not always a sign of timidness; you stated you do it usually because you're shy. Shooting from behind is essentially one form of "hiding" the camera from the subject... one of the most effortless ways, actually.
So then... has it happened to you yet? Having someone taking and smashing your camera?
I realized over time, and observed in others' photography as well, that almost every shot from behind in Street is mediocre and lacking in interest compared to shots from the front (feel free to do some more impressive forensic research to find the obvious exceptions).
For a while now, I have followed a rule to avoid shooting Street subjects from the back, and for that reason. It is more challenging to be where they can and could see you and where you can capture their expressions. More challenging, but ultimately more satisfying.
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You might possibly have been taking unwanted photos of her.
She was not considering forcing you to eat her sandwich.
Courtesy and logic are not your strong points.
I know I'm on your block list; too bad.
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I will not just say 'nice photo!' - if I like a photo I will say why.
I will not praise a photo that is dull, clichéd, or 'artsy'.
If you want hollow compliments, I'm not your guy.
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What could be more interesting than taking a photo of someone's back as they walk down the street? That must be why there are so many such photos posted.I never hide my camera from the subject. As you can imagine (but choose not to), when you are behind your subject they are not aware that you are there. It is very clear to onlookers if the photographer is purposely hiding the camera, which typically happens when the subject would otherwise see it. I am confident that you realize the distinctions but you are trying to create a specious argument.I don't know how the above made me recall a post from a couple years back, it wasn't anything of significance but for one reason or other, the content stuck in the back of my mind. I also thought the post was yours, so I checked. Yup:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57954693
Shooting from behind, that's usually but not always a sign of timidness; you stated you do it usually because you're shy. Shooting from behind is essentially one form of "hiding" the camera from the subject... one of the most effortless ways, actually.
So then... has it happened to you yet? Having someone taking and smashing your camera?
I realized over time, and observed in others' photography as well, that almost every shot from behind in Street is mediocre and lacking in interest compared to shots from the front (feel free to do some more impressive forensic research to find the obvious exceptions)
And you stand a chance of taking a photo worthy of sharing with other.
You shoot a lot of Public bathroom shots as well?
You've just told me that you don't give a damn for interrupting people's dinners.
Sue me. Go ahead. You seem to be an expert on the law. See how far that works.which might be regarded as libelous/slanderous/defamatory in some places
K
There's an entire genre of "candid" photography. Shooting in bathrooms. Changing rooms, upskirt photographers who proudly go to Court and claim a right to photograph under women's skirts. That is perfectly legal . And why shouldn't the women or a male friend break the photographers camera?I don't know how the above made me recall a post from a couple years back, it wasn't anything of significance but for one reason or other, the content stuck in the back of my mind. I also thought the post was yours, so I checked. Yup:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57954693
Shooting from behind, that's usually but not always a sign of timidness; you stated you do it usually because you're shy. Shooting from behind is essentially one form of "hiding" the camera from the subject... one of the most effortless ways, actually.
So then... has it happened to you yet? Having someone taking and smashing your camera?
A lot of what you wrote is one-sided, subjective. The funniest thing about these occasional threads where someone moans about street photography, is that usually the OP and others who come around to pile on..... aren't street photographers.
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SUFFOLK COUNTY, Mass. (CNN – March 6, 2014) — Massachusetts’ highest court ruled Wednesday that it is not illegal to secretly photograph underneath a person’s clothing — a practice known as “upskirting” — prompting one prosecutor to call for a revision of state law. The high court ruled that the pra
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You know, there is Something called common decency!
Easy Rider
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Let's keep it about street photography shall we.
Everyone else would do well to ignore these non street photographers who have just come here because they're getting a bit less action on the open talk forum at the moment / and / or have come off of their psychiatric medicines.
Happens just before Xmas and then again at summer every year lol.
Midwest and friend(s); when your psychiatrist(s) suggested trying to meet new friends and improve your confidence through talking to new people on the internet, this is not what they were thinking about mkay..?
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Everyone else would do well to ignore these non street photographers who have just come here because they're getting a bit less action on the open talk forum at the moment / and / or have come off of their psychiatric medicines.
Happens just before Xmas and then again at summer every year lol.
Midwest and friend(s); when your psychiatrist(s) suggested trying to meet new friends and improve your confidence through talking to new people on the internet, this is not what they were thinking about mkay..?
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Easy Rider
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If you won't ignore these clowns I strongly suggest counter trolling these guys in the other forums they post in. I do it and they go away for a bit
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After all, I can "get away with it" and then post on DP Review, and brag about how I got this shot and these guys never knew I was shooting?
Of course Skanter has said many times that none of my photography is "Street."
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It's a bad sign that I'm starting to like your posts. Molly will never forgive me... :-(If you won't ignore these clowns I strongly suggest counter trolling these guys in the other forums they post in. I do it and they go away for a bit
Easy Rider
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Here's Chato in action trolling elsewhereIt's a bad sign that I'm starting to like your posts. Molly will never forgive me... :-(If you won't ignore these clowns I strongly suggest counter trolling these guys in the other forums they post in. I do it and they go away for a bit
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4335737?page=7#forum-post-61907986
These guys are off their pills, trust me...
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