Martin.au
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Just FYI, but the climbing season is May. The linked blog is September.
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Weathersealing - what it really means?
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In a nutshell, what weathersealing means is that in a situation where a Sony would typically curl up in the fetal position and die, a properly weathersealed camera would most likely continue working.
those people in your link went to the Everest Base Camp (5300m ) not to the top of Mt Everest (3500 meters above...)
Note : day 10 out of 12.
(Takes a bit longer to go up the hill).
However in that area at that time of the year it indeed can rain buckets. ( I used a Pentax WP )
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yes, the link was clear: http://blog.thecheaproute.com/everest-base-camp-trek-journal-day-10/
see the part where it says "Everest base camp trek"...
point is, the sony photographer that I posted here would have had to go thru the base camp to get to the top of mt. Everest, so both parties took the same hike to that point.
weather on a big mountain isn't just about what's on the top.
it's hard to get a decent photo in weather like that.
looks like the base camp hikers started around the middle of September, which is just about the end of the monsoon season.
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Let me make it a bit clearer to you.
I have been there in September. No climber goes up the mountain then. If the photographer was there in September, no he did not go up the mountain , he just went to Base Camp.
you need to make it a bit clearer to yourself, not to me.
I just posted a link to people who did go up the mountain in september, headed for the base camp at 17,600ft.
if you had bothered to look at the link, you would have known that is wrong.
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The above is proof positive of why such personal anecdotes should always be taken with a grain of salt. Some people visit a place (or own a camera) and think they are they are suddenly more authoritative sources of info than scientific facts and aggregate data, when in fact they are rather uncritical appraisers of the place (or equipment) before them.
the topchinatravel link claimed that mt. Everest could be visited and climbed at times other than just may, and I posted a link to people who did just that, to 17,600ft in September.The above is proof positive of why such personal anecdotes should always be taken with a grain of salt. Some people visit a place (or own a camera) and think they are they are suddenly more authoritative sources of info than scientific facts and aggregate data, when in fact they are rather uncritical appraisers of the place (or equipment) before them.
his point is that you'll only be going to the top in may.
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That's why I posted the link. It is one among many indicating that conditions in September are quite permissive for a climb up Mt. Everest--contrary to his confident assertion.the topchinatravel link claimed that mt. Everest could be visited and climbed at times other than just may, and I posted a link to people who did just that, to 17,600ft in September.The above is proof positive of why such personal anecdotes should always be taken with a grain of salt. Some people visit a place (or own a camera) and think they are they are suddenly more authoritative sources of info than scientific facts and aggregate data, when in fact they are rather uncritical appraisers of the place (or equipment) before them.
his point is that you'll only be going to the top in may.
Read that link and you will find that by "Mt Everest" they mean Everest Base Camp.the topchinatravel link claimed that mt. Everest could be visited and climbed at times other than just may, and I posted a link to people who did just that, to 17,600ft in September.The above is proof positive of why such personal anecdotes should always be taken with a grain of salt. Some people visit a place (or own a camera) and think they are they are suddenly more authoritative sources of info than scientific facts and aggregate data, when in fact they are rather uncritical appraisers of the place (or equipment) before them.
his point is that you'll only be going to the top in may.
Top China Travel is a travel agency for tourists not for climbers.
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Read that link and you will find that by "Mt Everest" they mean Everest Base Camp.the topchinatravel link claimed that mt. Everest could be visited and climbed at times other than just may, and I posted a link to people who did just that, to 17,600ft in September.The above is proof positive of why such personal anecdotes should always be taken with a grain of salt. Some people visit a place (or own a camera) and think they are they are suddenly more authoritative sources of info than scientific facts and aggregate data, when in fact they are rather uncritical appraisers of the place (or equipment) before them.
his point is that you'll only be going to the top in may.
Top China Travel is a travel agency for tourists not for climbers.
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theculturetrip.com
it's like having a conversation with 12 years old.Read that link and you will find that by "Mt Everest" they mean Everest Base Camp.the topchinatravel link claimed that mt. Everest could be visited and climbed at times other than just may, and I posted a link to people who did just that, to 17,600ft in September.The above is proof positive of why such personal anecdotes should always be taken with a grain of salt. Some people visit a place (or own a camera) and think they are they are suddenly more authoritative sources of info than scientific facts and aggregate data, when in fact they are rather uncritical appraisers of the place (or equipment) before them.
his point is that you'll only be going to the top in may.
Top China Travel is a travel agency for tourists not for climbers.
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theculturetrip.com
That is another tourist agency, they don't take you to the top , just base camp.
This is from a site for real climbers :
During our four Everest expeditions the window has come every year at about the same time, around the 23rd of May and has lasted for about a week. To find a window, it is valuable to look for the Monsoon starting to move north in the Bay of Bengal. The weather report will tell you when that occurs. This powerful weather system will pressure the jet wind to the north and create a period of perfect weather.
Don't wait too long though. As the Monsoon hits the Khumbu valley with heavy snowfalls, you should already be back in Kathmandu.
A problem with waiting for the window could be other climbers. Most expeditions schedule their attempt for the 10th of May, and by the 23rd at least half of the expeditions will have returned home. Most commercial expeditions have an end date around the 20th. When you plan for your expedition - make sure you have the resources to stay until the permit ends (1st of June).
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www.mounteverest.net
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en.wikipedia.org
by May 25th the 2017 climbing season was over.
see also this about the 2018 climbing season :
With an unprecedented weather window, the Everest season is winding down I estimate a total of over 800 summits smashing the previous record set in 2013 of 667 from both sides by members and support climbers. The Nepal Ministry of Tourism reported on 16 August 2018 that a total of 563 people summited during the spring of 2018 made up of 302 High Altitude Workers (aka Sherpas) and 261 foreigners (aka members) using the standard Southeast Ridge route in Nepal. I estimate 239 summits on the Northeast Ridge in Tibet. Nepal issued 347 Everest climbing permits to foreigners, including 20 Nepalis, making the overall summit rate of 75% for members on the South side. There were 52 female summits on the Nepal side in 2018. The Nepal Government collected USD$5,172,408 in permit fees. They noted that the summiteers included 51 Indians, 49 Americans and 47 Chinese.
There is no report for the autumn season because there isn't one for climbers, just for tourists "on Mt Everest" that is somewhat around that area with a view to the top.
Martin.au
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Wow. This thread! I despair for humanity.
I read your comment again.
You were talking about two different events, one a trek to Base Camp in September, the other a climb to the top in MAY :
https://starsgazer.net/gallery/everest/
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Fogel70
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It is difficult to know or prove that when the camera breaks, it was caused by a specific water damage.
It is often not the water itself that kills an electronic device. It is the oxidation on FI cables and connectors, that may take weeks or months to fully set in after the water has entered the the device.
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Gerry Winterbourne
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For the third time - water can get inside a camera for reasons that are nothing to do with the weather. Even perfect weather sealing can't protect against other sources of water ingress, which is why makers don't warrant against it.
See above. The two things are unrelated.
Gerry Winterbourne
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False logic. In those cases water isn't prevented from entering, it simply fails to enter.
False logic again. You are the one who repeatedly equates weather sealing with being waterproof ...
.. and then cites the absence of a warranty as evidence of the absence of weather sealing.
Holger Bargen
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If you wear a rain-coat. What does it mean to you? I you walk for an hour through a little rain? If you walk the entire day through heavy rain?
It depends on the quality of your rain coat. The durability in terms of weather resitance is measured and given in mm water column. If you know that value you will know if your raincoat was made for light or heavy rain.
I can jsut talk about the Pentax weahter sealing. It was made to protect the camera from raindrops while you are taking photos.
We have little films where people clean their camera under the shower or where they put them in mud before and cover it all over. I think the camera was not build for this tratment - but it survives a treatment like that.
But this does not mean that you can use the camera und water and even a continous exposure to swells of water may be tricky. I remember an angry Pentax K5 user who had the camera with him while he was out with his kayak all of the day - and at the end of day there was water inside his camera.
I like the weather sealing - not just for more security if I use the camera near water - and also in dusty environment as the seals inside the lens will also keep dust outside the lens.
But remember that a camera with interchangeable lenses need lenses made with weather sealing, too - otherwise the system would not work and at least the mount would be a region where water could get in.
If it comes to water protection for point and shoot cameras made for swimming a view at ebay or whereever used gear is sold is helpful - often a lot of these cameras are sold as damaged - because water came in often because of a single usage in conditions that should be covered with situations they have in their advertisements.
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Holger
It depends on the quality of your rain coat. The durability in terms of weather resitance is measured and given in mm water column. If you know that value you will know if your raincoat was made for light or heavy rain.
I can jsut talk about the Pentax weahter sealing. It was made to protect the camera from raindrops while you are taking photos.
We have little films where people clean their camera under the shower or where they put them in mud before and cover it all over. I think the camera was not build for this tratment - but it survives a treatment like that.
But this does not mean that you can use the camera und water and even a continous exposure to swells of water may be tricky. I remember an angry Pentax K5 user who had the camera with him while he was out with his kayak all of the day - and at the end of day there was water inside his camera.
I like the weather sealing - not just for more security if I use the camera near water - and also in dusty environment as the seals inside the lens will also keep dust outside the lens.
But remember that a camera with interchangeable lenses need lenses made with weather sealing, too - otherwise the system would not work and at least the mount would be a region where water could get in.
If it comes to water protection for point and shoot cameras made for swimming a view at ebay or whereever used gear is sold is helpful - often a lot of these cameras are sold as damaged - because water came in often because of a single usage in conditions that should be covered with situations they have in their advertisements.
Best regards
Holger
AwesomeIan
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Well stated. Maybe milk man will get it now.
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